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    Las Vegas Raiders

    Well looks strongly Las Vegas is getting a NFL team with the paperwork filed today.

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    The Oakland Raiders have filed their paperwork to relocate to Las Vegas, the league announced on Thursday.

    The move was expected before the Feb. 15 deadline, sources had told ESPN's Adam Schefter.

    The proposed 65,000-seat domed stadium the Raiders want to play in is expected to cost $1.9 billion, including $750 million in hotel tax revenue, $650 million from billionaire casino owner Sheldon Adelson and $500 million from the Raiders and the NFL.

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    NaturalBornHustler is this true???

     
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    I don't get it.

    Where do they expect to find the fans to support this team. Surely NFL fans will already have a team they support?


    Or does the unthinkable happen over there were people actually trade allegiances?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of the Fraud View Post
    I don't get it.

    Where do they expect to find the fans to support this team. Surely NFL fans will already have a team they support?


    Or does the unthinkable happen over there were people actually trade allegiances?
    A football team works better for Las Vegas then any other professional sport because almost all the games are played on a Sunday allowing the weekend travelers to see an NFL game as well as the locals who some bet big money and might want to go watch it live.

    Having a hard time getting tickets for your local NFL team and you love traveling to Vegas? Go see them there to get the best of both worlds.

    Hockey is a tougher sell imo with the sport not having as much of a following and games being played in the middle of the week. That's not to mention the fact the Las Vegas NHL team is destined to suck for at least a few years due to them building through an expansion draft full of second rated players the other teams didn't protect.

    The most important thing is filling the seats and their are enough travelers in town to do that with NFL games on a Sunday imo but as for their memorabilia sales that remains to be seen.

    The Raiders should be competitive next year so that is a bonus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of the Fraud View Post
    I don't get it.

    Where do they expect to find the fans to support this team. Surely NFL fans will already have a team they support?


    Or does the unthinkable happen over there were people actually trade allegiances?
    A football team works better for Las Vegas then any other professional sport because almost all the games are played on a Sunday allowing the weekend travelers to see an NFL game as well as the locals who some bet big money and might want to go watch it live.

    Having a hard time getting tickets for your local NFL team and you love traveling to Vegas? Go see them there to get the best of both worlds.

    Hockey is a tougher sell imo with the sport not having as much of a following and games being played in the middle of the week. That's not to mention the fact the Las Vegas NHL team is destined to suck for at least a few years due to them building through an expansion draft full of second rated players the other teams didn't protect.

    The most important thing is filling the seats and their are enough travelers in town to do that with NFL games on a Sunday imo but as for their memorabilia sales that remains to be seen.

    The Raiders should be competitive next year so that is a bonus.


    Guess that makes sense I suppose.

    There's a tiny football team in Spain I'll go watch when over there. They actually attract more tourist fans than locals.

    Not fussed when they lose mind.
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    And bottom line is with the Rams + Chargers sharing a stadium was there really room for Oakland to stay put?

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    Wrong, ballbag.


    Any 'one team' NFL fan worth their salt will know where I'm coming from with that question.



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    Think about the apps the Vegas sports books now have.

    An important growth aspect of those apps is live wagering.

    Imagine all the fans and their phones in hand. Logged in and fumbling through live odds. Imagine next play or next series live bets. It'll be like Sonatine's Christians and the Lions in the coliseum. No player will be safe. Lol.

    If Nevada doesn't go soft and blackout local games with sports books - this fan experience will serve to be the biggest catalyst to legalized sports wagering in the US.

    Fantastic to consider.

    Simp, Kroenke's stadium with those 2 teams in that market is gonna be a massive fail. Yuge

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    Quote Originally Posted by simpdog View Post
    And bottom line is with the Rams + Chargers sharing a stadium was there really room for Oakland to stay put?
    Not to be a smart ass but Oakland is approx 9 hours north of LA.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker View Post

    The Raiders should be competitive next year so that is a bonus.
    They will be in Oakland until the new stadium is built.

    Moving the team from one of the wealthiest metropolitan areas in the US for the desert, what could go wrong?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by v12cl View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker View Post

    The Raiders should be competitive next year so that is a bonus.
    They will be in Oakland until the new stadium is built.

    Moving the team from one of the wealthiest metropolitan areas in the US for the desert, what could go wrong?
    Holy fuck are you stupid?? Oakland is a shithole compared to San Jose and San Fran.. That's like comparing Beverly Hills to East LA.. Seriously???? Oh and even more asinine is the assumption theres no money in Vegas.. Oh so those fucking multibillion dollar casinos just grew out of the sand on their own?? Holy Shit you're a clueless fuck..

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of the Fraud View Post
    I don't get it.

    Where do they expect to find the fans to support this team. Surely NFL fans will already have a team they support?


    Or does the unthinkable happen over there were people actually trade allegiances?
    A football team works better for Las Vegas then any other professional sport because almost all the games are played on a Sunday allowing the weekend travelers to see an NFL game as well as the locals who some bet big money and might want to go watch it live.

    Having a hard time getting tickets for your local NFL team and you love traveling to Vegas? Go see them there to get the best of both worlds.

    Hockey is a tougher sell imo with the sport not having as much of a following and games being played in the middle of the week. That's not to mention the fact the Las Vegas NHL team is destined to suck for at least a few years due to them building through an expansion draft full of second rated players the other teams didn't protect.

    The most important thing is filling the seats and their are enough travelers in town to do that with NFL games on a Sunday imo but as for their memorabilia sales that remains to be seen.

    The Raiders should be competitive next year so that is a bonus.
    Weekend travelers leave Vegas on Sunday, they do NOT want to stick around. Sunday afternoon football game gets over at 6PM, a 8PM flight(where are you storing your bags?!) means you get back to Central time zone way past midnight, lose 2 hrs and 3 hr flight. Overall, a truly terribly thought out idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monsterj View Post

    Weekend travelers leave Vegas on Sunday, they do NOT want to stick around. Sunday afternoon football game gets over at 6PM, a 8PM flight(where are you storing your bags?!) means you get back to Central time zone way past midnight, lose 2 hrs and 3 hr flight. Overall, a truly terribly thought out idea.
    Some leave then sure but others can easily stay an extra day which actually lowers your flight price as well not flying out on Sunday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of the Fraud View Post
    I don't get it.

    Where do they expect to find the fans to support this team. Surely NFL fans will already have a team they support?


    Or does the unthinkable happen over there were people actually trade allegiances?
    A football team works better for Las Vegas then any other professional sport because almost all the games are played on a Sunday allowing the weekend travelers to see an NFL game as well as the locals who some bet big money and might want to go watch it live.

    Having a hard time getting tickets for your local NFL team and you love traveling to Vegas? Go see them there to get the best of both worlds.

    Hockey is a tougher sell imo with the sport not having as much of a following and games being played in the middle of the week. That's not to mention the fact the Las Vegas NHL team is destined to suck for at least a few years due to them building through an expansion draft full of second rated players the other teams didn't protect.

    The most important thing is filling the seats and their are enough travelers in town to do that with NFL games on a Sunday imo but as for their memorabilia sales that remains to be seen.

    The Raiders should be competitive next year so that is a bonus.
    I disagree on the part about the knights hockey team sucking for too long. A couple facts

    1. The GM for LV is the Former GM of the Capitals who is responsible for the massive talent pile on that team currently, who drafted Ovechkin, Bäckström, Holtby, Carlson among several others. The guy has a sick eye for talent.

    2. The Florida Panthers entered the NHL in 1993. They played for the Cup in 1996. Three seasons is all it took to go from fledgling team to Finalists. (They've won the same number of Conference championships my Caps have and made it there three yrs into existence and 2 yrs before the Caps did).

    3. The expansion draft is gonna see some decent talent end up in Vegas as teams are limited in who they can protect. Half the goalies will be available as only one can be protected.

    As for attendance I believe the minor league team had decent attendance despite playing at the Orleans.

    Considering how bad some teams are in the West I'd almost guess LV will not finish last in it's division next year.

    As for the Raiders moving. It was a done deal. They should've moved soon. O Coliseum is a shithole and no way was a new stadium being built and the 49ers weren't sharing Levi Stadium. What's worse is the Warriors will be moving across the Bay to San Fran soon as well leaving only the As in Oakland Proper. And yes playing Sundays is a boon for Vegas. Folks who can't get home tickets due to sellouts will travel to see their teams on the road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of the Fraud View Post
    I don't get it.

    Where do they expect to find the fans to support this team. Surely NFL fans will already have a team they support?


    Or does the unthinkable happen over there were people actually trade allegiances?
    A new stadium in this location is likely to offer a *Lot* of corporate/high roller party room biz. Those facilities make a ton of money the team owners don't have to share with other teams per the revenue sharing agreement.

     
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    Hamilton was a non-starter with Toronto having veto authority on any new team within it's market jurisdiction. They did not talk about it publicly because they didn't want any of their existing fanbase to get upset so they let Bettman take the hit. There was talk about Newmarket a few years back but same result.

    Once Trump completes the collapse of the USD and the hightech braindrain shifts North I could see Quebec getting one of the fallout failing USA teams. They have the arena being built with mafia money already, they are energy independent with huge natural resource reserves. Their economy will support it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deal View Post
    Hamilton was a non-starter with Toronto having veto authority on any new team within it's market jurisdiction. They did not talk about it publicly because they didn't want any of their existing fanbase to get upset so they let Bettman take the hit. There was talk about Newmarket a few years back but same result.

    Once Trump completes the collapse of the USD and the hightech braindrain shifts North I could see Quebec getting one of the fallout failing USA teams. They have the arena being built with mafia money already, they are energy independent with huge natural resource reserves. Their economy will support it.

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    Report: Goldman Sachs balks at putting up Las Vegas stadium money

    Many in Las Vegas sensed the Oakland Raiders relocating here was too good to be true. They may be right.

    ESPN reported this morning that Goldman Sachs is balking at providing funding in place of Sheldon Adelson, who on Monday withdrew his $650 million pledge for a stadium project to bring the Raiders to town.

    KVVU Channel 5 in Las Vegas is reporting that Goldman Sachs had a deal to help finance the stadium with Adelson and the Raiders. With no Adelson, there is no deal, a Goldman Sachs representative told FOX5.

    The Los Angeles Times, citing a person with direct knowledge of the proposed deal, also reported that the Goldman Sachs financing was contingent on Adelson's involvement.

    “If [Adelson] doesn’t think it will pencil out for him, it won’t pencil out for Goldman Sachs or anybody else that thinks they want to step up to it,” Clark County Commissioner Chris Giunchigliani told the San Jose Mercury News. “I hate to say it, some of my concerns are starting to bear out. I don’t think Mr. Davis cared about either community, ours or Oakland. He’s using us against each other.”

    ESPN’s Ramona Shelburne reported this morning that Goldman Sachs, the stadium board’s backup plan if the Raiders and Adelson couldn’t agree to terms, was re-evaluating the proposed deal.

    Shelburne reports Adelson has a lengthy business relationship with Goldman Sachs, and the investment firm could be underwhelmed with the lease terms the Raiders are seeking.

    The Raiders would lease the stadium for $1 annually and the Las Vegas Stadium Authority would be on the hook for upgrades — two demands that surprised Adelson.

    “The Oakland Raiders came before the Las Vegas Stadium Authority last week with a proposed lease agreement that has sent shockwaves through our community,” a statement from the Adelson family said. “It was certainly shocking to the Adelson family. We were not only excluded from the proposed agreement; we weren’t even aware of its existence.”

    Adelson played an instrumental role in the effort to lure the Raiders, which eventually grew into a $750 million commitment of taxpayer money for the deal.

    Despite the significant hiccup, Raiders owner Mark Davis reiterated his desire to move to Las Vegas.

    “The Raiders deeply appreciate the efforts of the Adelson family to bring the Raiders to Las Vegas. We know this project could not have advanced to this point without them. The Raiders remain steadfast in honoring Mark Davis’ commitment to Governor Sandoval and the state of Nevada to pursue relocation to Las Vegas,” the team said in a statement.

    To make the move, though, Sandoval’s office said, that Raiders would need to pony up $1.15 billion — their share and Adelson’s share in the initial proposal. The state agreed in a special session to provide $750 million from an increase in the hotel room tax. A smaller version of the facility could still be built to house UNLV football.
    Sheldon Adelson never intended to put up $650 million of his own money to bring the Oakland Raiders to Las Vegas.

    He owns the 2nd largest convention space in Vegas, the Las Vegas Sands next to his Venetian Hotel.

    He didn't want the City of Las Vegas and Clark County Commission to put up over $1 Billion to build on the site of the old Riviera to expand the Las Vegas Convention Center to compete with him.

    Because they thought Adelson was putting up $650 million of his own cash, they decided to fund both the Stadium and the Las Vegas Convention Center.

    Now they have to decide which one they want.

    Odds that this $1.9 Billion Stadium ever gets built?



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