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    FBI paid Geek Squad to be informants, had supervisors at every store on payroll

    This is simply unbelievable.

    http://www.ocweekly.com/news/best-bu...n-case-7794252

    FBI agents and prosecutors usually strut inside Santa Ana's Ronald Reagan Federal Courthouse, knowing they've focused the wrath of the criminal-justice system on a particular criminal. But an unusual child-pornography-possession case has placed officials on the defensive for nearly 26 months. Questions linger about law-enforcement honesty, unconstitutional searches, underhanded use of informants and twisted logic. Given that a judge recently ruled against government demands to derail a defense lawyer's dogged inquiry into the mess, United States of America v. Mark A. Rettenmaier is likely to produce additional courthouse embarrassments in 2017.

    Rettenmaier is a prominent Orange County physician and surgeon who had no idea that a Nov. 1, 2011, trip to a Mission Viejo Best Buy would jeopardize his freedom and eventually raise concerns about, at a minimum, FBI competency or, at worst, corruption. Unable to boot his HP Pavilion desktop computer, he sought the assistance of the store's Geek Squad. At the time, nobody knew the company's repair technicians routinely searched customers' devices for files that could earn them $500 windfalls as FBI informants. This case produced that national revelation.
    So do you need a special security clearance to work at Best Buy fixing computers? Apparently so! Seeing that pretty much every single employee was on the payroll, right up to the top.

    According to court records, Geek Squad technician John "Trey" Westphal, an FBI informant, reported he accidentally located on Rettenmaier's computer an image of "a fully nude, white prepubescent female on her hands and knees on a bed, with a brown choker-type collar around her neck." Westphal notified his boss, Justin Meade, also an FBI informant, who alerted colleague Randall Ratliff, another FBI informant at Best Buy, as well as the FBI. Claiming the image met the definition of child pornography and was tied to a series of illicit pictures known as the "Jenny" shots, agent Tracey Riley seized the hard drive.

    Setting aside the issue of whether the search of Rettenmaier's computer constituted an illegal search by private individuals acting as government agents, the FBI undertook a series of dishonest measures in hopes of building a case, according to James D. Riddet, Rettenmaier's San Clemente-based defense attorney. Riddet says agents conducted two additional searches of the computer without obtaining necessary warrants, lied to trick a federal magistrate judge into authorizing a search warrant, then tried to cover up their misdeeds by initially hiding records.
    That's OK...there are ways around everything! Just lie!

    "The government concedes it presented no evidence that Flyer knew of the presence of the files on the unallocated space of his Gateway computer's hard drive," declared judges at the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit before overturning that conviction. "The government also concedes it presented no evidence that Flyer had the forensic software required to see or access the files. . . . Deletion of an image alone does not support a conviction for knowing possession of child pornography on or about a certain date within the meaning of [federal law]. No evidence indicated that Flyer could recover or view any of the charged images in unallocated space or that he even knew of their presence there."

    That ruling, made a year before the launch of the Rettenmaier case, left the FBI in a quandary. Agents noted among themselves in an email thread that "our [assistant United States attorney] won't charge on carved images." In hopes of overcoming this obstacle, they performed a sleight-of-hand maneuver, according to Riddet. The agents simply didn't alert Judge Marc Goldman that the image in question had been buried in unallocated space and, thus, secured deceitful authorization for a February 2012 raid on Rettenmaier's Laguna Niguel residence. "The omission was critical because the mere presence of child pornography in a computer's unallocated space is insufficient to establish knowing possession as a matter of law," Riddet wrote in a November 2016 brief. "And the unwitting possession of child porn will not support probable cause [for either a raid or charges].
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    But Assistant U.S. Attorney M. Anthony Brown, who specializes in sex-crime cases and is handling prosecution duties, claims the omission was not legally important or malicious. Brown believes the "Jenny" image shouldn't be suppressed because it's only "wild speculation" that the Geek Squad performed searches at FBI instigation. To him, the defense is pushing a "flawed" theory slyly shifting focus to innocent FBI agents; he maintains that Rettenmaier—who is smart enough to have taught medicine at USC and UCLA—was dumb enough to seek Best Buy recovery of all of his computer files after knowingly storing child porn there.

    The case is presently so tenuous that Riddet, who has 47 years of court experience, believes the Geek Squad search was extracurricular to required repairs and suggests that federal officials sloppily pushed for an unnecessary arrest. He has demanded to know if agents showed the photo evidence to Assistant United States Attorney Anne Gannon before she initiated charges. The defense lawyer is suspicious because FBI records reviewed by OC Weekly contain discrepancies about the picture and offer conflicting narratives about the agency's actions against his client. He also wants additional records, which he believes have been hidden.

    On Dec. 19, 2016, U.S. District Court Judge Cormac J. Carney highlighted the discrepancies, noted odd memory losses among agents, and called Brown's arguments for blocking Riddet's inquiries "unavailing" and "perplexing." Carney ordered government officials to conduct a new, "diligent" search for evidence and compelled Gannon's future testimony about whether she saw the "Jenny" image before approving the search warrant.

    No clearly they weren't acting as government agents...nah.

    But the biggest issue remains whether Geek Squad technicians acted as secret law-enforcement agents and, thus, violated Fourth Amendment prohibitions against warrantless government searches. Riddet claims records show "FBI and Best Buy made sure that during the period from 2007 to the present, there was always at least one supervisor who was an active informant." He also said, "The FBI appears to be able to access data at [Best Buy's main repair facility in Brooks, Kentucky] whenever they want." Calling the relationship between the agency and the Geek Squad relevant to pretrial motions, Carney approved Riddet's request to question agents under oath.
    Safe to say the Best Buy Geek Squad won't be fixing any of my computers in the future. Or getting any of my business period.

     
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    jace's hacking apparatus was known as the meek squad AND -FIN

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    AHEM THE MEEK SQUAD

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    Quote Originally Posted by THE FBI View Post
    WAS AN EASY MARK

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    I don't know whats more fucked up, the FBI running the geek squad covertly, or randy quaids fail pun.
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    Cut them some slack......You're a Geek Squad employee and someone shows up with cash and a picture of a real woman. duh?

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    I refuse to believe folks are calling geek squad to fix their pedo computers. Wouldn't folks worry about the geek reporting their jean-benet database regardless? Usually folks who actually fear jail, and haven't worked their way to the top of the Satanist hierarchy, are pretty careful about hiding this stuff.

    It's folks like this that don't give a fuck.

    https://realitieswatch.com/pedophili...t-like-usa-uk/

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    *AHEM *

     
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    The thread title - FBI paid Geek Squad to be informants, had supervisors at every store on payroll - is misleading.

    Here's the defense attorney's claim:

    Riddet claims records show "FBI and Best Buy made sure that during the period from 2007 to the present, there was always at least one supervisor who was an active informant." He also said, "The FBI appears to be able to access data at [Best Buy's main repair facility in Brooks, Kentucky] whenever they want."
    I read this to mean the particular Best Buy in California, not every Best Buy in the nation. The article says the Best Buy employees were paid $500 windfalls, or lump sum rewards, not on the FBI payroll or FBI salaried workers.

    Here's Best Buy's response from the article:

    Jeff Haydock, a Best Buy vice president for communications, provided the Weekly a reaction. "Best Buy is required by law to report the discovery of certain illegal material to law enforcement, but being paid by authorities to do so would violate company policy," Haydock said. "If these reports are true, it is purely poor individual judgement. If we discover child pornography in the normal course of servicing a computer, phone or tablet, we have an obligation to contact law enforcement. We believe this is the right thing to do, and we inform our customers before beginning any work that this is our policy."
    I'm not opining on the case, I'm only pointing out that there isn't a Best Buy supervisor in every store on FBI payroll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry View Post
    The thread title - FBI paid Geek Squad to be informants, had supervisors at every store on payroll - is misleading.

    Here's the defense attorney's claim:



    I read this to mean the particular Best Buy in California, not every Best Buy in the nation. The article says the Best Buy employees were paid $500 windfalls, or lump sum rewards, not on the FBI payroll or FBI salaried workers.

    Here's Best Buy's response from the article:

    Jeff Haydock, a Best Buy vice president for communications, provided the Weekly a reaction. "Best Buy is required by law to report the discovery of certain illegal material to law enforcement, but being paid by authorities to do so would violate company policy," Haydock said. "If these reports are true, it is purely poor individual judgement. If we discover child pornography in the normal course of servicing a computer, phone or tablet, we have an obligation to contact law enforcement. We believe this is the right thing to do, and we inform our customers before beginning any work that this is our policy."
    I'm not opining on the case, I'm only pointing out that there isn't a Best Buy supervisor in every store on FBI payroll.

    Does obligation mean personal responsibility or enacted law?

    Shoulda red bedda. Ok so they're required by law to reveal "certain" illegal material. Where are the goal lines?
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    When you hand your computer over to the Geek Squad, you lose the expectation of privacy. That's not a privileged relationship like a doctor or lawyer.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtyB View Post
    When you hand your computer over to the Geek Squad, you lose the expectation of privacy. That's not a privileged relationship like a doctor or lawyer.
    Doctors, Lawyers, Geek Squad? Elite crowd.

    You know "Bathroom Attendants" with mics is next

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry View Post
    The thread title - FBI paid Geek Squad to be informants, had supervisors at every store on payroll - is misleading.

    Here's the defense attorney's claim:



    I read this to mean the particular Best Buy in California, not every Best Buy in the nation. The article says the Best Buy employees were paid $500 windfalls, or lump sum rewards, not on the FBI payroll or FBI salaried workers.

    Here's Best Buy's response from the article:

    Jeff Haydock, a Best Buy vice president for communications, provided the Weekly a reaction. "Best Buy is required by law to report the discovery of certain illegal material to law enforcement, but being paid by authorities to do so would violate company policy," Haydock said. "If these reports are true, it is purely poor individual judgement. If we discover child pornography in the normal course of servicing a computer, phone or tablet, we have an obligation to contact law enforcement. We believe this is the right thing to do, and we inform our customers before beginning any work that this is our policy."
    I'm not opining on the case, I'm only pointing out that there isn't a Best Buy supervisor in every store on FBI payroll.



    But the biggest issue remains whether Geek Squad technicians acted as secret law-enforcement agents and, thus, violated Fourth Amendment prohibitions against warrantless government searches. Riddet claims records show "FBI and Best Buy made sure that during the period from 2007 to the present, there was always at least one supervisor who was an active informant." He also said, "The FBI appears to be able to access data at [Best Buy's main repair facility in Brooks, Kentucky] whenever they want." Calling the relationship between the agency and the Geek Squad relevant to pretrial motions, Carney approved Riddet's request to question agents under oath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtyB View Post
    When you hand your computer over to the Geek Squad, you lose the expectation of privacy. That's not a privileged relationship like a doctor or lawyer.
    Only two types might know this and Cops are one of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NaturalBornHustler View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Henry View Post
    The thread title - FBI paid Geek Squad to be informants, had supervisors at every store on payroll - is misleading.

    Here's the defense attorney's claim:



    I read this to mean the particular Best Buy in California, not every Best Buy in the nation. The article says the Best Buy employees were paid $500 windfalls, or lump sum rewards, not on the FBI payroll or FBI salaried workers.

    Here's Best Buy's response from the article:



    I'm not opining on the case, I'm only pointing out that there isn't a Best Buy supervisor in every store on FBI payroll.



    But the biggest issue remains whether Geek Squad technicians acted as secret law-enforcement agents and, thus, violated Fourth Amendment prohibitions against warrantless government searches. Riddet claims records show "FBI and Best Buy made sure that during the period from 2007 to the present, there was always at least one supervisor who was an active informant." He also said, "The FBI appears to be able to access data at [Best Buy's main repair facility in Brooks, Kentucky] whenever they want." Calling the relationship between the agency and the Geek Squad relevant to pretrial motions, Carney approved Riddet's request to question agents under oath.
    Yes, that's the defense attorney's claim. But he's almost certainly referring to the individual store involved in the case. And his words would be technically true if either of the two supervisors who alerted the FBI in this case were a supervisor back in 2007. That would be tricky wording but I wouldn't rule it out for a high-profile defense attorney.

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    We can't fix stupid in this world so if you're storing any type of documents/pictures that could incriminate you and let some repair squad have access to it by giving them your computer to fix then you definitely deserve to get caught.

    Should they look deeply into your system?

    No, but what if they see some document icon labeled about terrorist plotting or some sick Jared Fogle type mother fucker has a background image of a naked kid on it when his computer crashed with the blue screen of death and forgets because he's an idiot so he takes it to one of these places to fix the system and they get it to boot only to see that shit pop up?

    See the obvious staring at you in the face and report it to the feds is fine but digging deep to look for shit and that is a no go invasion of privacy imo.

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    all im reading here, is that the FBI has a program where if you work on computers and see something suspicious you report it, and get a reward.

    The IRS does this, do we now accuse all the casino cashiers of being paid IRS informants? after all, when you shadily tell the lady you'd like to only cash out 9k out of your 15k stack, after you've asked what the maximum is that you can cash before a CTR, they're going to turn your ass in. Shit, anyones welcomed to turn someone in for tax evasion for a reward.


    And what about truckers (i'm lookin at you mumbles, but idont think you'd do this) who get incentives to turn in drunk drivers or people they spot smoking bowls on the highway?

    are they also informants?


    NO. they're not.


    having said all that,

    if you've got kiddy porn on your computer and you're dumb enough to take it to a Geek Squad, then enjoy Attica
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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtyB View Post
    When you hand your computer over to the Geek Squad, you lose the expectation of privacy. That's not a privileged relationship like a doctor or lawyer.
    On one hand, i agree with you.

    On another hand, that sets a dangerous precedent and a scapegoat for unconstitutional intrusion. Take the "child porn" factor out of it... You are some schmo....lets say you're a banker who has encrypted files that mean millions of dollars to be kept secret. You give your cimputer to get it fixed. Now you have a geek who is literally paid good money to find shit for the gov.
    Will he find child porn? Prob not, but will he find some sensitive info that could be potentially worth alot of money? Quite possibly...all things aside,.you as the gov just gave him a huge incentive with immunity to look over anything he wants...and with a big incentive.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DirtyB View Post
    When you hand your computer over to the Geek Squad, you lose the expectation of privacy. That's not a privileged relationship like a doctor or lawyer.
    On one hand, i agree with you.

    On another hand, that sets a dangerous precedent and a scapegoat for unconstitutional intrusion. Take the "child porn" factor out of it... You are some schmo....lets say you're a banker who has encrypted files that mean millions of dollars to be kept secret. You give your cimputer to get it fixed. Now you have a geek who is literally paid good money to find shit for the gov.
    Will he find child porn? Prob not, but will he find some sensitive info that could be potentially worth alot of money? Quite possibly...all things aside,.you as the gov just gave him a huge incentive with immunity to look over anything he wants...and with a big incentive.
    If you're a banker and you give a computer with sensitive files on it to the Geek Squad, you're an idiot and your bank's IT department should be allowed to punch you in the face.

    I'm not seeing the FBI looking for anything besides overtly illegal activity here, and the geek squad guy would absolutely not have immunity for any crimes they commit. It's definitely pushing the boundaries of privacy rights, but I think there are much better battles to pick in that arena.

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