PokerFraudAlert Report: Lock Poker -- AVOID

[Dan Druff]

Here's PrimordialAA's post:

Zima you have absolutely no idea how much your opinion means to me, this is so painful to hear (dull). Seriously lol stfu with your dumb accusations, as I said 100x and in my interview and will reiterate now:

I have NOT had a faster cashout method
I have received <3 cashouts in the last 6 months, 8+ week average time which is longer than most ROW players I know of
Any money I receive from Lock is on the site in lock $ which takes forever to cashout
I on top of this have gone out of my way to BUY lock funds which almost 0 other people affiliated with them have done
I have tons of my own $ in there I can't get out and still bought funds
I have not sent a single signup link or anything else in months, 4+ for sure. As I said in my interview I am waiting to see how/if things improve. Haven't signed anyone up for months and anyone who asks me about it I have prefaced the conversations with the super long cashout times and the fact that lots of US players have had to sell their $ at .3 to get it off in a timely manner.

Also as I have said 100000x I do have reason to believe Lock will pay everybody out and has $, but I can't do anything but wait to be able to prove that.

Anyways, the fact of the matter is my Lock deal would be very significant if site conditions improve and it moves in the right direction, and I gain literally 0 by walking away right now. I already am not signing people up until things improve so its not like I'll magically just start signing even LESS people up. Im making literally NOTHING by staying right now since at current cashout times I have more in there than I'd get out in years, im only still involved because I think things will improve and I think I have the right to wait and see if theydo.

So yea, from the bottom of my heart GFY. Everybody who knows and deals with me doesn't say a single bad thing about me but every idiot on the internet feels qualified to call me the biggest scumbag ever when I've done more than any other pro and stopped signing people up as soon as things weren't great, so if me waiting to see if things get better and not just leaving which would change things exactly 0 from how they are now since I'm already not tweeting links / signing people up. If that's the worst thing I've done in my life so be it, I'm probably not as bad a person as you seem to think I am

Keep being a hero <3

Here's my response (copied from 2+2):

I gave you credit for being a confused, naive kid rather than a bad guy, but now I no longer believe that. Your post reeks of arrogance and condescension, despite the fact that people are angry because they got ripped off by a company you repeatedly promoted and defended.

Care to explain why Lock just tucked tail and ran from 2+2, and will now only provide support on their heavily-censored forum, which is only open to raking Lock players?

How can you defend a company that is clearly making a move to lessen transparency, demanding that they will only provide forum support if they can control what people post.

Did you know that you can't get a post through on the new Lock-run forum without "moderator approval"?

Care to explain why cashouts have NOT improved since the promised June 1 date, according to the hardworking people who have been tracking such things?

You are not staying at Lock because you're naive.

You are staying because you are freerolling the poker community.

If by some miracle they get healthy again and pay people, you are still employed by them and keep getting paid.

If they go under, you apologize and claim you were bamboozled by master manipulator Jen Larson.

You are "buying Lock funds" at huge markdown most likely because you want to also take advantage of the situation, and perhaps have faster cashouts than you're claiming. Or perhaps your greed is just clouding your judgment, as you feel this is a great money-making opportunity, to get 3-to-1 from these "suckers" who need to cash out immediately.

If you really had faith in Lock, you would buy these Lock funds for even money, or very close to it.

You don't, which is why you buy them at "market value" and again take advantage of the same people you steered to the site.

You have no scruples, and I hope you and all other Lock shills go bust and run as bad as possible in poker and life.

F off.

[BeerAndPoker]

You should have asked Mr. Pellegrino to appear on PFA radio before posting that so you could crush the hell out of any comments he had to make but I'm not sure he would appear if he asks around or has heard you interrogate people before since his chances in a debate with you won't be good for him.

[BeerAndPoker]

[BeerAndPoker]

Intertops making some big changes due to Lock shenanigans. Not sure I would even waste my time with the Revolution network at all even with Intertops whom has paid due to these changes but at the same time I support them 100% in not wanting to pay for Lock's poor management of funds.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=5242

Dear 2+2 members and Intertops users!

Ever since Intertops accepted the world’s first ever online sports bet in 1996 we have built a reputation as a dependable and serious partner for all types of online gaming. We can already look back upon a long tradition of integrity and satisfied customers around the world.

We want to keep our reputation and continue providing our customers with the service and support that they deserve. Furthermore, we want to be able to continue to guarantee our players their funds and remain one of the most trusted and safe places to play.

In order to achieve the above we have been forced, due to circumstances beyond our control, to make some changes to our segregation.

We know we haven’t been very open with various segregation changes in the past, but this will now change.

So what kind of segregation is in place now? Well, for Intertops the following applies:

Cash Games: All cash games, including and above $2/$4, are segregated from the rest of the network.

Sit n Gos: All Sit n Gos above a $20 buy-in are segregated from the rest of the network, this also includes the double up SnGs.

MTTs: From this weekend on we have also been forced to opt out from all guaranteed tournaments higher than $1000.

We apologize for any inconvenience this might cause. We hope we can clear up a few of the issues over the next coming weeks and get back to where we know we can be. One thing is for sure – we have finished paying for the mistakes of others.

It is important for you to keep in mind that we are in this for the long-run and we will not abandon our players! This will allow us to continue paying your winnings in a very timely manner as we have been doing for the past 17 years!

Best regards,

The Intertops Poker Team

[SuperShaun80]

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=2801

Apparently from Shane on Lock Poker's Forum

The network has advised us that starting from this Sunday the guaranteed prize pools of the two major Sunday tournaments have been reduced. The network took this step despite our protests after another network partner asked to have their players excluded from these events.

Starting this Sunday the guaranteed prize for the the Superstack will change from $25,000 to $20,000 and the $75,000 Guaranteed will change to become the $60,000 Guaranteed.

We fought both these changes but were unable to sway the networks mind, we will continue to support these tournaments hard including continuing our 50 Seats freeroll for the $60,0000 GTD and we will continue to lobby the network to raise the guaranteed prizes of both of these tournaments.

[Dan Druff]

[BeerAndPoker]

Peter Lock and Penelope Lock? Sound like porn star names.

[glide234]

(not sure if this is new thread worthy as I've only checked out and read this forum a handful of time)

Recently Interops had to pull out of all GTD 1k or over. They made an announcement about this recently in this post http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=5242.

Randomly, a few Sunday ago several of the most winning players on Intetops had there accounts froze for a day or two. Support said that Intertops was not the ones freezing accounts and this was done via revolution network (basically ran by lock, I believe). This was a little weird as it only seemed to hit winning players who had no real reason to have their accounts frozen. (I was away that Sunday but the player I talked to had not done any recent transfers, not made recent deposits, did not play sngs or cash (no case for chip dump ect. could be made) So it doesn't seem to far of a stretch to think this could have been a calculated move

Its also been rumored that Lock owes quite a bit of money to Intertops and that Lock players losing money to other skins instead of keeping it on Lock and raking it, is one of the (probably small) factors that is leading to Locks problems.

[BeerAndPoker]

(not sure if this is new thread worthy as I've only checked out and read this forum a handful of time)

Recently Interops had to pull out of all GTD 1k or over. They made an announcement about this recently in this post http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=5242.

Randomly, a few Sunday ago several of the most winning players on Intetops had there accounts froze for a day or two. Support said that Intertops was not the ones freezing accounts and this was done via revolution network (basically ran by lock, I believe). This was a little weird as it only seemed to hit winning players who had no real reason to have their accounts frozen. (I was away that Sunday but the player I talked to had not done any recent transfers, not made recent deposits, did not play sngs or cash (no case for chip dump ect. could be made) So it doesn't seem to far of a stretch to think this could have been a calculated move

Its also been rumored that Lock owes quite a bit of money to Intertops and that Lock players losing money to other skins instead of keeping it on Lock and raking it, is one of the (probably small) factors that is leading to Locks problems.

Yes, that happened as well. It's hard to say whether it was just "winning players" accounts that were frozen because everyone on 2+2 will claim to be a winning player but I wouldn't put it past Revolution to be doing this to the bigger winners on the site looking for any reason they can find to get rid of them.

Intertops is being put in a tough spot because of Lock Poker. I want to give them the benefit of the doubt since they have delivered fast payouts and the best support you can get on the Revolution network but part of me wonders why they aren't looking to switch over to another network such as Winning Network where ACR and BCP are. I'm sure their are reasons behind it but I don't know them.

[Dan Druff]

Intertops is now auditing all cash and SNG wins before crediting it to account (July 29): http://pokerfuse.com/news/poker-room...ng-wins-29-07/

Intertops has opted out of all network mid-stakes cash games and MTTs: http://pokerfuse.com/news/poker-room...nd-mtts-12-08/

So basically Lock/Revolution is not paying them, and they finally got tired of covering for those thieves by paying out their players anyway.

I feel bad for Intertops. They are probably afraid to leave the network entirely, fearing they won't get paid some ungodly sum owed to them.

[BeerAndPoker]

I thought of Lock dumping to Intertops players but never really mentioned it.

Their are clever ways to dump money not saying I agree with doing it but it amazes me how good poker players with decent minds will dump in such obvious ways that draw red flags to a network.

I have never dumped chips in my life nor will I but if I ever was to I could easily think of sophisticated ways to do so that support wouldn't be able to simply look at and say "this guy is chip dumping".

[hotshott74]

Seems appropriate for the lock thread...

[Belly Buster]

Seems appropriate for the lock thread...

That's great. Bluff must be 100% sure Lock is sunk, as this pretty much rules out them from getting Lock advertising ever again.

[BeerAndPoker]

Srsly bringing the hits. That video is straight to the point and sums up Lock Poker very well.

[Dan Druff]

Red Star Poker leaves Revolution.

http://calvinayre.com/2013/08/22/pok...ign=calvinayre

[Sanlmar]

Cunard has staterooms with balcony views on sale for 30% of the regular rate.

[Sanlmar]

Seems appropriate for the lock thread...

Great parody.

Ironically, you gotta wonder how long Bluff will last. Circulation must be a fraction of what it once was. Ad revenue has to be just a trickle.

Maybe the have a Russian language offering.

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Good Luck

[BeerAndPoker]

Forgot to post this from a few days ago when I first saw it:



LOL at any VIP Program improvements when the goal should be to pay players.

Shut it down Eric Lynch

[rby1983]

Peter Lock and Penelope Lock? Sound like porn star names.

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batches are done weekly. I will put you on the priority list.
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Can you add me to the priority list too?
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I have put you on the priority list.
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[BeerAndPoker]

Peter Lock and Penelope Lock? Sound like porn star names.

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batches are done weekly. I will put you on the priority list.
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All of them "This post is invisible to other users until it is approved by a moderator" illustrates exactly why Lock wanted their own forum on their own small site and that is to monitor every little thing.

It's a terrible situation for those with funds on Lock and all their pros that did their shilling and defending of Lock have vanished from posting on 2+2 as well since their forum was closed up on there.