Skrill
Many customers opened a Skrill account, deposited money and used their service, based on the terms and conditions which state:
11.2 It is strictly forbidden to make payments to or to receive payments from persons or entities offering illegal gambling services(added by me: ponzi scheme, house bots), including (but not limited to) illegal sports betting, casino games and poker games. We may suspend or terminate your Skrill Account at any time or refuse to execute [b]or reverse a transaction[b] if we believe that you directly or indirectly use or have used your Skrill Account for or in connection with illegal gambling transactions.
11.4 It is strictly forbidden to use your Skrill Account for any illegal purposes(added by me: ponzi scheme, house bots) including but not limited to fraud and money laundering. We will report any suspicious activity to the relevant law enforcement agency. You are prohibited from using your Skrill Account in an attempt to abuse, exploit or circumvent the usage restrictions imposed by a merchant on the services it provides.
11.6 If you conduct or attempt to conduct any transaction in violation of the prohibitions contained in this section 11 or without the necessary approval under section 11.5, we reserve the right to: reverse the transaction; and/or close or suspend your Skrill Account; and/or report the transaction to the relevant law enforcement agency; and/or claim damages from you; and charge you an administration fee of up to 150 EUR in case we apply any of the above.
If Skrill would state in the legally binding agreement that
- It is allowed to make payments to or to receive payments from persons or entities offering illegal gambling services(ponzi scheme, house bots, etc.), including (but not limited to) illegal sports betting, casino games and poker games. We will not suspend or terminate your Skrill Account or reverse a transaction if we believe that you directly or indirectly use or have used your Skrill Account for or in connection with illegal gambling transactions and we will not claim damages from you.
- It is allowed to use your Skrill Account for any illegal purposes(ponzi scheme, house bots, etc.) including but not limited to fraud and money laundering. We will not report any suspicious activity to the relevant law enforcement agency. You are allowed to use your Skrill Account in an attempt to abuse, exploit or circumvent the usage restrictions imposed by a merchant on the services it provides.
I and I am sure many others of you will and would have not used their service! Would you?
What Skrill is doing here is not only a willful deception to constantly attract new victims, but it is also the criminal offense of participation and money transfer to illegal operations. They do this habitually and intentionally and if you ask them to reverse transactions to illegal gambling operations like Lock, Revolution Network WinCake/Pure, Muchos, Equity Network, Merge Network Carbon/Sportsbook/PlayersOnly, etc. and report them to the relevant law enforcement agency, they simply do not respond like nothing ever happened(lol). And this confirms that they exactly know what they are doing and try to sweep it under the carpet. If they were honest, they would take complaints serious.
In the case of Lock Poker, they did not allow deposits anymore at a certain point, but much too late and therefore they should be liable for the damage accrued since the time they must know that Lock was a ponzi scheme. They should be anyway liable for all damages suffered in relation to all illegal gambling operations, as they intentionally and habitually breach the terms and conditions seriously to the financial disadvantage of private customers and for the financial advantage of the illegal merchants and therefore finally for their own financial benefit, as they charge percentages from and to merchant accounts.
Lock Poker's terms and conditions stated:
"Cash outs. Except as otherwise required by each deposit method or our security team, you may request to cash out and withdraw any or all of your Account Balance at any time and there is no requirement to play the Games in order for you to make such request."
And if Lock habitually do not fulfill this paragraph, then of course the criminal offense of misappropriation and cheating is fulfilled.
-> If you take a look at the Lock Poker payout scam thread, you can see that customers habitually started to wait more than 1 month for their withdrawal request in 2013, while Skrill restricted Lock's account to withdrawals only, I think in 2014. Can you see the gap?
Skrill has lawyers in their legal department in London and they can very well assess what was and what is going on with the poker sites. They can see all the transactions of a merchant account and to which (bank)accounts the Skrill deposits were misappropriated. Did they ever report an illegal gambling operation(ponzi scheme, house bots, etc.) to the relevant law enforcement agency like stated in the terms and conditions? I am not aware of any. But they have all the data of the people behind the shell company and instead of fulfilling the legally binding agreement, victims like me have to spend their time and money on top of the damage already happened.
If victims have interest to demand indemnification from Skrill and with an unlike lower chance from Neteller, I am wiling to start a separate thread were we can collect all the data in relation to all the illegal gambling operations like Lock, WinCake/Pure, Muchos, Equity, Carbon/Sportsbook/PlayersOnly, etc.
In any case, I recommend to do the following for the record. Send a registered letter to:
Skrill Legal Department
Floor 27, 25 Canada Square
E145 LQ London, United Kingdom
Inform them that merchant account XY(look in your Skrill transaction history for the name) is an illegal gambling operation as they have misappropriated player funds and add the link of the relevant payout thread on 2+2:
Lock Poker
WinCake Poker
Pure Poker
Muchos Poker
Equity Poker Network
Carbon/Sportsbook/PlayersOnly
1) Ask them to reverse the deposits you made to(look in your Skrill transaction history for the name), based on:
Terms and conditions
11.2 It is strictly forbidden to make payments to or to receive payments from persons or entities offering illegal gambling services, including (but not limited to) illegal sports betting, casino games and poker games. We may suspend or terminate your Skrill Account at any time or refuse to execute or reverse a transaction if we believe that you directly or indirectly use or have used your Skrill Account for or in connection with illegal gambling transactions.
11.6 If you conduct or attempt to conduct any transaction in violation of the prohibitions contained in this section 11 or without the necessary approval under section 11.5, we reserve the right to: reverse the transaction; and/or close or suspend your Skrill Account; and/or report the transaction to the relevant law enforcement agency; and/or claim damages from you; and charge you an administration fee of up to 150 EUR in case we apply any of the above.
2) Demand from them to report company XY to the relevant law enforcement agency, based on:
11.4 It is strictly forbidden to use your Skrill Account for any illegal purposes including but not limited to fraud and money laundering. We will report any suspicious activity to the relevant law enforcement agency. You are prohibited from using your Skrill Account in an attempt to abuse, exploit or circumvent the usage restrictions imposed by a merchant on the services it provides.
11.6 ...we reserve the right to: report the transaction to the relevant law enforcement agency...
3) Inform them that you are also willing to join an upcoming class action with hundreds of other victims and demand indemnification from Skrill Ltd. for the damage you have suffered because they habitually and intentionally do not fulfil the legally binding agreement and process money transfers to illegal gambling operators and do not report them to the relevant law enforcement agency.
4) Post here when you receive a response
Thank you!
I can organize a class action against Skrill Ltd. and demand indemnification for us, but this will cost money and I will not pay your part of the total costs if you want to join. The "by itself" believer group can of course wait until a possible judgement in London and then refer to this if it is in the favor of the victims. But if it will come to an agreement with Skrill without a court decision, then those who did not join gets nothing.