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Thread: Pokerstars Not Taking Action Against Poland Collusion/Softplayers

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    Pokerstars Not Taking Action Against Poland Collusion/Softplayers

    Greetings to all. I had created this thread a while back on the 2p2 forum. I would like to post this on the forum for you guys to take a look at. Now I know this subforum is for scams, scandals and shadiness.


    Basically the issue here is pokerstars is not taking action against certain players from the same country who softplay one another.


    Here is the original thread.


    http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/61...03/?highlight=


    My thread here is updated from the one above.


    I will update this thread now but also post all the relevant information here again. I am however posting this thread due to pokerstars not taking any action on these poland players softplaying. So head of security, you are welcome to answer questions from other players on this issue and post here.


    Many of the Poland players are softplaying each other and basically colliding in 180 mans and those satellites for a while now. If you play any satellites or 180 mans and there are at least 2 Poland players there, just watch out for them. I have spoken to many players about this and most of them agree there is collusion/softplaying going on but they know stars isn't doing anything about it due to their broken anti-collusion policy. I will discuss that in a bit.


    The other reason for this thread is the original thread there was a lot of posts going all over the place so most posters who read it would not be able to because it was not that organized and all over the place. A very well respected member on 2p2 forum mentioned to me via pm that there were many different posts all over everywhere and thus many viewers would only look over a few and then not look at it anymore because it wasn't very organized.


    Revised Cliffs:


    -Poland players softplay and collude with each other when a good situation arises. They play very hard against non-poland players. Basically prejudice play. This is done at satellite and 180 mans.


    -Poland players with pretty much identical screennames and exact pfr/vpip stats. Playing style is very similar.


    -Poland players going after the nonpole when shorthanded and avoiding big pots with one another.


    -These players almost never play hard against each other early on in an 180 man. Rarely you see any of them even go all in preflop against one another for over 50bb. This is something that happen a lot yet very rare to see this with poland players.


    -The players never play hard against each other unless its necessary especially at the end. Usually this is only done when they try to chop another players blinds so it's a win-win situation for a Pole. But also because this does not make it obvious as you have to bust a fellow poland player otherwise it would look really bad


    -Poland player raise fellow Poland BB is pretty much their favorite move.


    -The Poland 3bet Isolation Protection 3bet is another strategy they use and many don't notice it because no hole cards are revealed until they got caught doing this


    -If in multiway pot, they will play like a tag-team and make sure one of them wins the pot. This is done by both betting or calling to get the non-poland player to fold. They will call out of position with weak hands on the flop if another fellow poland player is in the pot. Examples will be posted below this.


    -If multiple poland players in a table, prepare to see many min raises when higher blind levels when a Poland player is in the BB to protect his fellow Pole. Once blinds get high, prepare to see many poland players min raising and 3bet isolate protecting each other.


    -Poland Players will protect fellow comrade by shoving all in if they are in middle or late position if they notice non-poland players to act after them and their fellow Pole is in the BB


    -Two Poland players created a 2p2 account within minutes and both posted they are in the 180 man contest. They both posted in the same exact format.
    A bunch of poland players foolishly used the same avatar for 3 accounts. These accounts are related. A group of poland players who are active was confirmed by security to be related accounts.


    -Poland players speak to one another via skype. Many poland players who don't even play these format somehow know about my thread


    -Head of Security spoke to me a while back on this issue for a good while. We had a long discussion on this and it looked like something was going to be done. Their specialist then looked over everything and concluded there is no softplaying even though many hands i sent to them look very suspicious. They sent me a copy of 20 hands where poland players were all in against a fellow poland player to show look... they do play hard against one another. Almost all these hands were when poland players both had 15bb or less. Majority were all in and calls where both players had like 3bb-7bb where it was AK vs 77 or similar which is completely standard.


    -Pokerstars has a broken anti-collusion system. Basically if 2 players softplay against one another, if there are just a few hands where they go all in even for 3bb... that is enough to say those players are not softplaying. A very important thing was discussed on the amount of times poland players would be all in against their fellow comrades vs nonpoles. I was told this cannot be looked at yet this is probably one of the most obvious things there is. A long time respected member on the 2p2 forum agreed with this and mentioned this to stars and stars did not want to look into this. The 2p2 member here agreed this is very important yet pokerstars did not want to look at this and this was dealt with satellites.

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    To Make It Simpler to Read, Here Is A Summary in Bolded Parts and hand histories will be in each section.


    1. Satellite Softplaying

    2. Poland Raise Poland BB

    3. Shorthanded Collusion/3 Handed Softplaying

    4. Poland 3bet isolation play/3bet isolation play caught

    5. Prejudice Collusion

    6. Chip Balancing/Cover Play

    7. Tag Team

    8. Strange Plays

    9. 2p2 Accounts Created Same Day/Posted Same Time

    10. Related Accounts and Similar username/stats/play

    11. Other Players Comments

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    1. Satellite Softplaying


    PokerStars Hand #143106268267: Tournament #1337060855, 1500FPP Hold'em No Limit - Level X (300/600) - 2015/10/31 14:41:23 CT [2015/10/31 15:41:23 ET]
    Table '1337060855 5' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 1: Sebosweet (4064 in chips)
    Seat 2: dyna140 (4220 in chips)
    Seat 3: dporebski (7673 in chips)
    Seat 4: 00maso00 (9347 in chips)
    Seat 5: xxxxalexxxx (12871 in chips)
    Seat 6: alin1923gr (5394 in chips)
    Seat 7: Goldenboys (14959 in chips)
    Seat 8: sr21cm (10212 in chips)
    Sebosweet: posts the ante 50
    dyna140: posts the ante 50
    dporebski: posts the ante 50
    00maso00: posts the ante 50
    xxxxalexxxx: posts the ante 50
    alin1923gr: posts the ante 50
    Goldenboys: posts the ante 50
    sr21cm: posts the ante 50
    dporebski: posts small blind 300
    00maso00: posts big blind 600
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to dyna140 [7d 8h]
    xxxxalexxxx has timed out
    xxxxalexxxx: folds
    xxxxalexxxx is sitting out
    xxxxalexxxx has returned
    alin1923gr: folds
    Goldenboys: folds
    sr21cm: folds
    Sebosweet: folds
    dyna140: folds
    dporebski: calls 300
    00maso00: checks
    *** FLOP *** [Th 4s 9c]
    dporebski: checks
    00maso00: checks
    *** TURN *** [Th 4s 9c] [6c]
    dporebski: checks
    00maso00: checks
    *** RIVER *** [Th 4s 9c 6c] [7h]
    dporebski: checks
    00maso00: checks
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    dporebski: shows [Ks Ac] (high card Ace)
    00maso00: shows [6h 8d] (a straight, Six to Ten)
    00maso00 collected 1600 from pot
    dyna140 said, "keep softing playing"
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 1600 | Rake 0
    Board [Th 4s 9c 6c 7h]
    Seat 1: Sebosweet folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: dyna140 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: dporebski (small blind) showed [Ks Ac] and lost with high card Ace
    Seat 4: 00maso00 (big blind) showed [6h 8d] and won (1600) with a straight, Six to Ten
    Seat 5: xxxxalexxxx folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: alin1923gr folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: Goldenboys folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: sr21cm folded before Flop (didn't bet)


    This is in a 1500 fpp satellite to supernova million dollar freeroll. First the poland player limps with AKs in the SB. Then both players check it all the way down and the poland player in the BB has the nuts and checks it against his fellow Poland player. I been at this table with them throughout and they never play hard against one another. Pretty bad for both the SB not shoving and of course the BB checking back the turn and river with the nuts. Whats his explanation for checking the river with nuts in position? Well its pretty obvious.

    In many of those 2x or 3x satellites or splash satellites, there are lots of poland players who do this. Basically they do this every single day to help their fellow comrades win a seat. They play their poland people soft vs aggressive against nonpoles. Once i recalled i look at the satellites for these and there were at least 15 poland players playing these. Then i look at some other ones... guess how many they had... they had either 0 or 1 player. They either plays satellites as a team or don't play at all. The biggest eyebrow raiser of all was once i saw in these satellites and 180 mans, at one point, there was not even 1 poland player registered in any of the active games. I thought that is very strange... is it some holiday there? Well few hours later guess what, a number of poland players all started registering the same 180 mans and satellites like they usually do.


    If you play any of these satelltes, put a note on any poland player at the table and adjust accordingly. Best thing to do is put a color for them whether its yellow, green or whatever to keep a count of how many of them at the table. They will go all in against others and call all ins if their fellow poland comrade calls as well. Or do not play any of these satellites. If you dont, then the poland players won't play since they don't want to win money off of their people.

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    2. Poland Raise Poland BB



    This is the poland players primary move. Its basically whenever 2 or more poland players are at a table, if one of the poland players is in the BB, their fellow poland player will raise their BB to protect their fellow comrade. The thing is they don't do this at the early levels that much since there is very little chips. However, they do this at the middle and later stages when it matters the most. If you see 3 poland players at a table, prepare to see poland players start raising and 3betting each other to take the blinds and antes. Here are just a few of them. There are a lot more but im only posting just a few of what it looks like so you guys get an idea.



    PokerStars Hand #140031670742: Tournament #1309567096, $13.77+$1.23 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (500/1000) - 2015/08/28 14:51:33 CT [2015/08/28 15:51:33 ET]
    Table1309567096 12' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 1: swald8300 (4580 in chips)
    Seat 2: ed00011 (30015 in chips)
    Seat 3: dyna140 (4568 in chips)
    Seat 4: Prestiqe (5493 in chips)
    Seat 5: Xingmunic (8727 in chips)
    Seat 8: champec (3179 in chips)
    Seat 9: lima37p1 (4208 in chips)
    swald8300: posts the ante 100
    ed00011: posts the ante 100
    dyna140: posts the ante 100
    Prestiqe: posts the ante 100
    Xingmunic: posts the ante 100
    champec: posts the ante 100
    lima37p1: posts the ante 100
    dyna140: posts small blind 500
    Prestiqe: posts big blind 1000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to dyna140 [4s 5c]
    Xingmunic: folds
    champec: folds
    lima37p1: folds
    swald8300 has timed out
    swald8300: folds
    swald8300 is sitting out
    ed00011: raises 28915 to 29915 and is all-in
    swald8300 has returned
    dyna140: folds
    Prestiqe: folds
    Uncalled bet (28915) returned to ed00011
    ed00011 collected 3200 from pot
    ed00011: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 3200 | Rake 0
    Seat 1: swald8300 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: ed00011 (button) collected (3200)
    Seat 3: dyna140 (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 4: Prestiqe (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 5: Xingmunic folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: champec folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: lima37p1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)


    This looks very normal and standard. However one has to know that the Button and BB are both polish. Ed00011 shoves all in on the button because he didn't want me to shove all in in SB to the BB. The BB is Prestiqe a Poland player. Now if both the sb and bb was Polish, he would fold there. I seen him fold there in this situation when 2 players in blinds are poland and he's on the button. If not, he shoves. Basically protecting his fellow Pole. Head of security did sort of agree yes that probably is true but thats not enough for collusion.



    PokerStars Hand #141245800452: Tournament #1330413029, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level X (300/600) - 2015/09/23 16:06:16 CT [2015/09/23 17:06:16 ET]
    Table '1330413029 14' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
    Seat 1: dupong22 (6183 in chips)
    Seat 2: dyna140 (9978 in chips)
    Seat 3: Papeta62 (13150 in chips)
    Seat 4: ScMr8 (21548 in chips)
    Seat 5: Iplay4glory (13625 in chips)
    Seat 7: marh402 (12903 in chips) is sitting out
    Seat 8: Wikq (8457 in chips)
    Seat 9: jamadrian (17035 in chips)
    dupong22: posts the ante 50
    dyna140: posts the ante 50
    Papeta62: posts the ante 50
    ScMr8: posts the ante 50
    Iplay4glory: posts the ante 50
    marh402: posts the ante 50
    Wikq: posts the ante 50
    jamadrian: posts the ante 50
    marh402: posts small blind 300
    Wikq: posts big blind 600
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to dyna140 [Ks 9s]
    jamadrian: raises 600 to 1200
    dupong22: folds
    dyna140: folds
    Papeta62: folds
    ScMr8: folds
    Iplay4glory: folds
    marh402: folds
    Wikq: folds
    Uncalled bet (600) returned to jamadrian
    jamadrian collected 1900 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 1900 | Rake 0
    Seat 1: dupong22 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: dyna140 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: Papeta62 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: ScMr8 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: Iplay4glory (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: marh402 (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 8: Wikq (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 9: jamadrian collected (1900)


    Poland player jamadrian loves to raise another poland player's blinds so others won't raise his fellow poland player's blinds. This guy would always raise a Poland Players BB. Yet when i or someone else reraises they would fold. Newcomer Wikq is in the big blind who is new and Polish. And of course he just folds his BB very easily without resistance. This is someone who is much looser and reraises alot and plays like fellow poland player Hand72o. Basically play back against nonpoles, not vs fellow comrades.




    PokerStars Hand #140970694160: Tournament #1325726034, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXI (3500/7000) - 2015/09/17 15:29:45 CT [2015/09/17 16:29:45 ET]
    Table '1325726034 16' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
    Seat 1: Mikwej (79279 in chips)
    Seat 2: soniac108 (207513 in chips)
    Seat 3: Andrzej74kg (43664 in chips)
    Seat 5: Juanqui13 (92120 in chips)
    Seat 6: dyna140 (349296 in chips)
    Seat 7: aja-guru (81672 in chips)
    Seat 8: _[LKK]_90 (66456 in chips)
    Mikwej: posts the ante 700
    soniac108: posts the ante 700
    Andrzej74kg: posts the ante 700
    Juanqui13: posts the ante 700
    dyna140: posts the ante 700
    aja-guru: posts the ante 700
    _[LKK]_90: posts the ante 700
    Mikwej: posts small blind 3500
    soniac108: posts big blind 7000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to dyna140 [2s 8h]
    Andrzej74kg: folds
    Juanqui13: folds
    dyna140: folds
    aja-guru: folds
    _[LKK]_90: folds
    Mikwej: raises 7000 to 14000
    soniac108: folds
    Uncalled bet (7000) returned to Mikwej
    Mikwej collected 18900 from pot
    Mikwej: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 18900 | Rake 0
    Seat 1: Mikwej (small blind) collected (18900)
    Seat 2: soniac108 (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 3: Andrzej74kg folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: Juanqui13 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: dyna140 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: aja-guru folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: _[LKK]_90 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)


    Poland player Mikwej min raises from sb to his fellow Poland player soniac BB. The thing here is soniac would never reraise all in here because it does no benefit to them all since he is the big stack. Also Mikwej has the shorter stack... thus soniac folding here would give the smaller stack chips. Thus balancing chips. The thing is Soniac is very aggressive in the big blind. Yet here.. Mikwej min raises, then he just folds since they have to chip balance. Against a nonpole, he reraise a lot.

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    PokerStars Hand #143215099423: Tournament #1368157148, $13.77+$1.23 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (125/250) - 2015/11/02 14:13:03 CT [2015/11/02 15:13:03 ET] Table '1368157148 18' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 1: ed00011 (2393 in chips)
    Seat 2: SVAT39 (2478 in chips)
    Seat 3: parisjoe (4665 in chips)
    Seat 4: dyna140 (5307 in chips)
    Seat 5: elbublo (2374 in chips)
    Seat 6: spyraman (3137 in chips)
    Seat 7: willemgr (4457 in chips)
    Seat 8: mat1i (982 in chips)
    Seat 9: LucianoKL (2401 in chips)
    ed00011: posts the ante 25
    SVAT39: posts the ante 25
    parisjoe: posts the ante 25
    dyna140: posts the ante 25
    elbublo: posts the ante 25
    spyraman: posts the ante 25
    willemgr: posts the ante 25
    mat1i: posts the ante 25
    LucianoKL: posts the ante 25
    elbublo: posts small blind 125
    spyraman: posts big blind 250
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to dyna140 [Jd 5s]
    willemgr: folds
    mat1i: raises 500 to 750
    LucianoKL: folds
    ed00011: folds
    SVAT39: folds
    parisjoe: folds
    dyna140: folds
    elbublo: folds
    spyraman: folds
    Uncalled bet (500) returned to mat1i
    mat1i collected 850 from pot mat1i: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 850 | Rake 0
    Seat 1: ed00011 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: SVAT39 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: parisjoe folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: dyna140 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: elbublo (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 6: spyraman (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 7: willemgr folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: mat1i collected (850)
    Seat 9: LucianoKL folded before Flop (didn't bet)


    Look at this hand and then the next one below this.


    Poland player mat1i raises when he has less than 4bb. He raises 3x and his fellow poland player spyraman folds. Mat1i doing this raise basically signal poland player to fold. Why is his he folding? The thing is if mat1i shoves all in there for 4bb, then it would look suspicious spyraman folds getting great pot odds. By mat1i raising to 750 and leaving less than 250 behind, if spyraman is questioned, he would say its a misclick. Basically the bigger stack pole spyraman folds to his fellow shortstack poland friend for just 3 more bb while in the BB. Basically the BB refusing to call the all in from his shortstack fellow friend for 3bb more in the BB. I mean how weak is his hand then right?







    PokerStars Hand #150356231157: Tournament #1509066052, $7.34+$0.66 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (150/300) - 2016/03/14 16:26:16 ET
    Table '1509066052 3' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
    Seat 1: edu.sombra (8848 in chips)
    Seat 2: Doc32 (4452 in chips)
    Seat 3: naturehol (3688 in chips)
    Seat 4: MARCGY (9515 in chips)
    Seat 5: kylsonn1 (3341 in chips)
    Seat 6: SugarrrMan (5815 in chips)
    Seat 7: Lukáš 91 (2001 in chips)
    Seat 8: dyna140 (1211 in chips)
    Seat 9: Usavich (6738 in chips)
    edu.sombra: posts the ante 25
    Doc32: posts the ante 25
    naturehol: posts the ante 25
    MARCGY: posts the ante 25
    kylsonn1: posts the ante 25
    SugarrrMan: posts the ante 25
    Lukáš 91: posts the ante 25
    dyna140: posts the ante 25
    Usavich: posts the ante 25
    MARCGY: posts small blind 150
    kylsonn1: posts big blind 300
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to dyna140 [Qs 9s]
    SugarrrMan: folds
    Lukáš 91: folds
    dyna140: raises 886 to 1186 and is all-in
    Usavich: folds
    edu.sombra: folds
    Doc32: folds
    naturehol: folds
    MARCGY: folds
    kylsonn1: calls 886
    *** FLOP *** [4d Js Ts]
    *** TURN *** [4d Js Ts] [5c]
    *** RIVER *** [4d Js Ts 5c] [6c]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    kylsonn1: shows [6h 2s] (a pair of Sixes)
    dyna140: shows [Qs 9s] (high card Queen)
    kylsonn1 collected 2747 from pot
    dyna140 finished the tournament in 61st place
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 2747 | Rake 0
    Board [4d Js Ts 5c 6c]
    Seat 1: edu.sombra folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: Doc32 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: naturehol (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: MARCGY (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 5: kylsonn1 (big blind) showed [6h 2s] and won (2747) with a pair of Sixes
    Seat 6: SugarrrMan folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: Lukáš 91 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: dyna140 showed [Qs 9s] and lost with high card Queen
    Seat 9: Usavich folded before Flop (didn't bet)



    Pretty much same situation. Whats the difference? When a nonpole shoves for less than 5bb total, the poland player in the BB is willing to call with 62o?. This happens tons of times when a pole would shove all in for 3bb to 6bb and then the poland BB folds to give the shorter stack pole chips. In this same situation, if a poland player shoved with my stack and another pole was in the BB, not once will the Poland player in the BB call. Look at the hand above this. Everytime a pole shoves there or min raises with a 3bb-6bb... the pole in the BB will always fold unless he has a monster. Reason is because that would look very obvious. These guys are very clever.

    And guess what. The moment i posted this about this particular poland player, he comes into the forum and tries to defend himself. I asked so which poland player told you about this thread since you guys love to stick up for one another and watch each others back and he mentioned it was a fellow poland player since he obviously couldn't lie about that. Conversation probably went ... hey that player wrote about you on the forum, you need to defend yourself. Hence looking out for their fellow people.



    PokerStars Hand #149364614889: Tournament #1489554061, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2016/02/24 18:10:59 ET
    Table '1489554061 20' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
    Seat 1: ciezarb (6020 in chips)
    Seat 2: Szopen1594 (948 in chips)
    Seat 3: slarki1 (2985 in chips)
    Seat 4: SomBlafnul10 (3096 in chips)
    Seat 5: dyna140 (2979 in chips)
    Seat 6: AAngryTiger (2743 in chips)
    Seat 7: drinker21 (3156 in chips)
    Seat 8: lo-fi dream (2640 in chips)
    Seat 9: kimchisama (2433 in chips)
    ciezarb: posts the ante 15
    Szopen1594: posts the ante 15
    slarki1: posts the ante 15
    SomBlafnul10: posts the ante 15
    dyna140: posts the ante 15
    AAngryTiger: posts the ante 15
    drinker21: posts the ante 15
    lo-fi dream: posts the ante 15
    kimchisama: posts the ante 15
    kimchisama: posts small blind 75
    ciezarb: posts big blind 150
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to dyna140 [Qh Jd]
    Szopen1594: raises 783 to 933 and is all-in
    slarki1: folds
    SomBlafnul10: folds
    dyna140: folds
    AAngryTiger: folds
    drinker21: folds
    lo-fi dream: folds
    kimchisama: folds
    ciezarb: folds
    Uncalled bet (783) returned to Szopen1594
    Szopen1594 collected 510 from pot
    Szopen1594: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 510 | Rake 0
    Seat 1: ciezarb (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 2: Szopen1594 collected (510)
    Seat 3: slarki1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: SomBlafnul10 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: dyna140 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: AAngryTiger folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: drinker21 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: lo-fi dream (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: kimchisama (small blind) folded before Flop


    Szopen1594 is shoving here with 6bb since the BB is poland player ciezarb. He would also do this if it was poland player AAngryTiger since that is 1 lesser chance of a player calling his all in. They shove a lot lighter when more than 1 poland player at the table.






    PokerStars Hand #143228238166: Tournament #1368397559, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (600/1200) - 2015/11/02 18:18:37 CT [2015/11/02 19:18:37 ET]
    Table '1368397559 11' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 1: c0nscience (5735 in chips)
    Seat 3: dyna140 (7435 in chips)
    Seat 4: jack7iron (19309 in chips)
    Seat 5: camilloskate (27753 in chips)
    Seat 7: PingaP (18642 in chips)
    Seat 8: uberslug (17368 in chips)
    Seat 9: Oledjan (20371 in chips)
    c0nscience: posts the ante 125
    dyna140: posts the ante 125
    jack7iron: posts the ante 125
    camilloskate: posts the ante 125
    PingaP: posts the ante 125
    uberslug: posts the ante 125
    Oledjan: posts the ante 125
    camilloskate: posts small blind 600
    PingaP: posts big blind 1200
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to dyna140 [Jh 6c]
    uberslug: folds
    Oledjan: folds
    c0nscience: raises 4410 to 5610 and is all-in
    dyna140: folds
    jack7iron: folds
    camilloskate: folds
    PingaP: folds
    Uncalled bet (4410) returned to c0nscience
    c0nscience collected 3875 from pot
    c0nscience: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 3875 | Rake 0
    Seat 1: c0nscience collected (3875)
    Seat 3: dyna140 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: jack7iron (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: camilloskate (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 7: PingaP (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 8: uberslug folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: Oledjan folded before Flop (didn't bet)


    Poland player c0nscience shoves all in for less than 5BB. Look who is in the blinds. Fellow SB camilloskate who has a direct relationship to golfik16. So he knows one player will fold. The other thing is if camilloskate is in the BB... he would fold as well which is basically collusion. Camilloskate is confirmed is related to golfik16 with the same avatar and they are related accounts. Basically folding getting great odds. Golfik16, camilloskate and another user all used the same avatar and stars confirmed these account are indeed related. So its not a surprise a shove from c0nscience gets a fold even when golfik16 is in the bb and folding.




    PokerStars Hand #144995332178: Tournament #1403250617, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (1250/2500) - 2015/12/07 18:27:06 ET
    Table '1403250617 17' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
    Seat 1: dynAAmoo (54621 in chips)
    Seat 2: staszeq (52021 in chips)
    Seat 3: EssentiaL_bs (45126 in chips)
    Seat 4: MirkoBg1986 (80408 in chips)
    Seat 5: Stepa552884 (66352 in chips)
    Seat 8: wow.GhosT (12019 in chips)
    Seat 9: dyna140 (32054 in chips)
    dynAAmoo: posts the ante 250
    staszeq: posts the ante 250
    EssentiaL_bs: posts the ante 250
    MirkoBg1986: posts the ante 250
    Stepa552884: posts the ante 250
    wow.GhosT: posts the ante 250
    dyna140: posts the ante 250
    dyna140: posts small blind 1250
    dynAAmoo: posts big blind 2500
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to dyna140 [6h 8s]
    staszeq: folds
    EssentiaL_bs: folds
    MirkoBg1986: folds
    Stepa552884: folds
    wow.GhosT: raises 9269 to 11769 and is all-in
    dyna140: folds
    dynAAmoo: folds
    Uncalled bet (9269) returned to wow.GhosT
    wow.GhosT collected 8000 from pot
    wow.GhosT: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 8000 | Rake 0
    Seat 1: dynAAmoo (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 2: staszeq folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: EssentiaL_bs folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: MirkoBg1986 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: Stepa552884 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: wow.GhosT (button) collected (8000)
    Seat 9: dyna140 (small blind) folded before Flop



    wow.ghost goes all in for less than 5bb total. I fold my SB. Poland BB dynAAmoo folds getting great pot odds? He has zero issue calling this if the guy shoving is me or a non-polish player. There are lot of hands in similar situation where he calls here. And before anyone says he has a weak hand or something like that, they fold it almost every single time yet call more times than not against players like me and Non-poles.




    PokerStars Hand #140033983169: Tournament #1309591652, $7.34+$0.66 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XV (1000/2000) - 2015/08/28 15:39:02 CT [2015/08/28 16:39:02 ET]
    Table '1309591652 15' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
    Seat 1: FlyingPhu (36334 in chips)
    Seat 3: senzpensieri (26605 in chips)
    Seat 4: c0nscience (47052 in chips)
    Seat 5: PETER HERNAN (17460 in chips)
    Seat 6: SVAMPINK (14930 in chips)
    Seat 7: lima37p1 (42692 in chips)
    Seat 8: Crim44 (48779 in chips)
    Seat 9: dyna140 (36148 in chips)
    FlyingPhu: posts the ante 200
    senzpensieri: posts the ante 200
    c0nscience: posts the ante 200
    PETER HERNAN: posts the ante 200
    SVAMPINK: posts the ante 200
    lima37p1: posts the ante 200
    Crim44: posts the ante 200
    dyna140: posts the ante 200
    lima37p1: posts small blind 1000
    Crim44: posts big blind 2000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to dyna140 [As 8c]
    dyna140: folds
    FlyingPhu: folds
    senzpensieri: folds
    c0nscience: raises 2000 to 4000
    PETER HERNAN: folds
    SVAMPINK: folds
    lima37p1 has timed out
    lima37p1: folds
    lima37p1 is sitting out
    Crim44: folds
    Uncalled bet (2000) returned to c0nscience
    lima37p1 has returned
    c0nscience collected 6600 from pot
    c0nscience: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 6600 | Rake 0
    Seat 1: FlyingPhu folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: senzpensieri folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: c0nscience collected (6600)
    Seat 5: PETER HERNAN folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: SVAMPINK (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: lima37p1 (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 8: Crim44 (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 9: dyna140 folded before Flop (didn't bet)


    Poland player c0nscience raising Crim44's BB here. Nothing new as usual as we see Poland player raise another Poland players BB so the players in between won't shove on Crim44. Why is crim who is pretty aggressive in the blinds just folding like that? Well because theres no point and because both have equal stacks. Basically c0nscience protecting crim's BB here. In the 3bet isolation play, you will see a hand between these 2 players getting caught.

  6. #6
    3. Shorthanded Collusion/3 Handed Softplaying



    This is what happens when it gets down to shorthanded especially if its 3 handed when you are up against 2 poland players.


    1.
    PokerStars Hand #146703435276: Tournament #1437213681, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXIV (6000/12000) - 2016/01/08 17:01:28 ET
    Table '1437213681 16' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
    Seat 1: CinderellaBD (165521 in chips)
    Seat 2: Hand72o (77520 in chips)
    Seat 7: evaaaaaaaaan (143857 in chips)
    Seat 8: BrowarFans (158688 in chips)
    Seat 9: dyna140 (340914 in chips)
    CinderellaBD: posts the ante 1200
    Hand72o: posts the ante 1200
    evaaaaaaaaan: posts the ante 1200
    BrowarFans: posts the ante 1200
    dyna140: posts the ante 1200
    CinderellaBD: posts small blind 6000
    Hand72o: posts big blind 12000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to dyna140 [Th 3c]
    evaaaaaaaaan: folds
    BrowarFans: folds
    dyna140: folds
    CinderellaBD: raises 152321 to 164321 and is all-in
    Hand72o: calls 64320 and is all-in
    Uncalled bet (88001) returned to CinderellaBD
    *** FLOP *** [3s 7c Qs]
    *** TURN *** [3s 7c Qs] [Ac]
    *** RIVER *** [3s 7c Qs Ac] [Ts]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    CinderellaBD: shows [2d Ks] (high card Ace)
    Hand72o: shows [5h Ad] (a pair of Aces)
    Hand72o collected 158640 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 158640 | Rake 0
    Board [3s 7c Qs Ac Ts]
    Seat 1: CinderellaBD (small blind) showed [2d Ks] and lost with high card Ace
    Seat 2: Hand72o (big blind) showed [5h Ad] and won (158640) with a pair of Aces
    Seat 7: evaaaaaaaaan folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: BrowarFans folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: dyna140 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)


    This looks harmless. But why did browarfans not raise hand72o BB? Because hand72o is very short stack and needs a double up.



    2.
    PokerStars Hand #146703718236: Tournament #1437213681, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXV (8000/16000) - 2016/01/08 17:05:51 ET
    Table '1437213681 16' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 2: Hand72o (95440 in chips)
    Seat 7: evaaaaaaaaan (244514 in chips)
    Seat 8: BrowarFans (156288 in chips)
    Seat 9: dyna140 (390258 in chips)
    Hand72o: posts the ante 1600
    evaaaaaaaaan: posts the ante 1600
    BrowarFans: posts the ante 1600
    dyna140: posts the ante 1600
    evaaaaaaaaan: posts small blind 8000
    BrowarFans: posts big blind 16000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to dyna140 [4s Ks]
    dyna140: folds
    Hand72o: raises 77840 to 93840 and is all-in
    evaaaaaaaaan: folds
    BrowarFans: folds
    Uncalled bet (77840) returned to Hand72o
    Hand72o collected 46400 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 46400 | Rake 0
    Seat 2: Hand72o (button) collected (46400)
    Seat 7: evaaaaaaaaan (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 8: BrowarFans (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 9: dyna140 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

    Hand72o shoves all in with 6bb stack. BB Browarfans obviously folds.



    3.

    PokerStars Hand #146704104324: Tournament #1437213681, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXVI (10000/20000) - 2016/01/08 17:11:56 ET
    Table '1437213681 16' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 2: Hand72o (88640 in chips)
    Seat 8: BrowarFans (328290 in chips)
    Seat 9: dyna140 (469570 in chips)
    Hand72o: posts the ante 2000
    BrowarFans: posts the ante 2000
    dyna140: posts the ante 2000
    BrowarFans: posts small blind 10000
    dyna140: posts big blind 20000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to dyna140 [3d Jh]
    Hand72o: raises 66640 to 86640 and is all-in
    BrowarFans: folds
    dyna140: folds
    Uncalled bet (66640) returned to Hand72o
    Hand72o collected 56000 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 56000 | Rake 0
    Seat 2: Hand72o (button) collected (56000)
    Seat 8: BrowarFans (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 9: dyna140 (big blind) folded before Flop


    This is when it gets good. We are 3 handed. Me and 2 poland players Hand72o and Browarfans. Hand72o shoves all in in the button. Obviously no way browarfans would call here unless he has a monster. 3 handed... keeping chips balanced between 2 poland players is very important.

  7. #7
    4.

    PokerStars Hand #146704104324: Tournament #1437213681, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXVI (10000/20000) - 2016/01/08 17:11:56 ET
    Table '1437213681 16' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 2: Hand72o (88640 in chips)
    Seat 8: BrowarFans (328290 in chips)
    Seat 9: dyna140 (469570 in chips)
    Hand72o: posts the ante 2000
    BrowarFans: posts the ante 2000
    dyna140: posts the ante 2000
    BrowarFans: posts small blind 10000
    dyna140: posts big blind 20000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to dyna140 [3d Jh]
    Hand72o: raises 66640 to 86640 and is all-in
    BrowarFans: folds
    dyna140: folds
    Uncalled bet (66640) returned to Hand72o
    Hand72o collected 56000 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 56000 | Rake 0
    Seat 2: Hand72o (button) collected (56000)
    Seat 8: BrowarFans (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 9: dyna140 (big blind) folded before Flop

    Hand72o shoves all in. Obviously browarfans folds his SB. I fold. Hand72o know he can shove pretty light since he won't get a call from browarfans unless he has a monster which would be mandatory call.



    5.

    PokerStars Hand #146704190334: Tournament #1437213681, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXVI (10000/20000) - 2016/01/08 17:13:19 ET
    Table '1437213681 16' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
    Seat 2: Hand72o (468560 in chips)
    Seat 8: BrowarFans (283490 in chips)
    Seat 9: dyna140 (134450 in chips)
    Hand72o: posts the ante 2000
    BrowarFans: posts the ante 2000
    dyna140: posts the ante 2000
    Hand72o: posts small blind 10000
    BrowarFans: posts big blind 20000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to dyna140 [2s 3s]
    dyna140: folds
    Hand72o: raises 20000 to 40000
    BrowarFans: calls 20000
    *** FLOP *** [3d 5s 7d]
    Hand72o: bets 34400
    BrowarFans: calls 34400
    *** TURN *** [3d 5s 7d] [Ts]
    Hand72o: checks
    BrowarFans: checks
    *** RIVER *** [3d 5s 7d Ts] [4s]
    Hand72o: checks
    BrowarFans: checks
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Hand72o: shows [Ah Ad] (a pair of Aces)
    BrowarFans: mucks hand
    Hand72o collected 154800 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 154800 | Rake 0
    Board [3d 5s 7d Ts 4s]
    Seat 2: Hand72o (small blind) showed [Ah Ad] and won (154800) with a pair of Aces
    Seat 8: BrowarFans (big blind) mucked [Kh Qd]
    Seat 9: dyna140 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)


    Let see if anyone can defend a Poland player here. I'm the short stack now since well 2 poland players vs me. I fold the button. Poland player Hand72o min raises from SB. Poland player Browarfans flat calls the raises. On the flop, hand72o bets the flop and gets a call. I had a feeling here this was going to go since Hand72o is the big stack and browarfans is the medium stack. Most likely chip balancing. On the turn, hand72o checks as i expected. Then Browarfans checks right back. On the river, hand72o checks. Browarfans checks right back.


    Look at what both players had. Hand72o had pocket Aces. First off, checking the turn with aces eh? . There is no way he should be checking the turn. This guy never checks a big hand here against a nonpoland player. Yet against a poland player decides to not bet? Then on the river he checks as well. Well that is not that bad since its one card to a straight and a flush is possible. However, look at Browarfans hand. He had KQ offsuit. He had 14bb. He would be reshoving all in with KQo in this situation almost every time against a non-poland player. He reshoves a lot lighter in the BB with hands much worst cards than this preflop as he usually does. Why did he just flat call the raise with KQo here with 14BB to a SB min raise in the BB and not put pressure on his fellow comrade? Is it because he knows Hand72o had a monster in AA and thus going all in hurts both them since by doing that, its going to be only 2 players left heads up... hand72o and me? Or is it because he wants to make sure they 2 don't clash at it since they want both players to have chips so its 2 vs 1. Its very risky reshoving all in here since if Hand72o has a monster, well then he will most likely bust then its going to be 1 poland player vs a non-poland player.


    On the flop, he did flat call the flop bet with 2 overcards. I assume he was hoping it get checked to and then he bet. What most likely happened was 2 things. He knows either hand72o had a monster or panicked and checked right back. But there is zero way hand72o should be checking that turn. Then checking river. Basically giving free cards away. Assuming browarfans did hit the flop, hand72o doesn't want to bet on the turn because if he does, he will take more chips from browarfans which is not what he wants since its 3 handed. Does he want 3 handed with him, me and browarfans with 200k chips or browarfans with 100k chips or no chips? Obviously he wants browarfans to have decent stack and not take anything more chips from him. But he cant chip balance here since he has AA. So basically NOT BETTING is the ideal solution to not take any chips from Browarfans. The same thing happened before with 2 other poland players where both players checked back the turn and river when one of them was trying to give chips away to the smaller stack. Hand72o is softplaying browarfans here. He doesn't want to take any more chips from browarfans. If you check Hand72o in this same scenario against non-poland players, he will put the other player all in on the turn or river. But against fellow Poland player Browarfans, he decides to check when theres all types of draws on the board.


    Browarfans is one of the posters that posted in the 2p2 thread where he created an account the same day and posted 1 minute right after szopen1594 in a 180 man contest a lot of 2p2 players were having. This will be shown below in one of the sections.




    6.

    PokerStars Hand #146704368514: Tournament #1437213681, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXVII (15000/30000) - 2016/01/08 17:16:10 ET
    Table '1437213681 16' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
    Seat 2: Hand72o (231870 in chips)
    Seat 8: BrowarFans (443730 in chips)
    Seat 9: dyna140 (210900 in chips)
    Hand72o: posts the ante 3000
    BrowarFans: posts the ante 3000
    dyna140: posts the ante 3000
    dyna140: posts small blind 15000
    Hand72o: posts big blind 30000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to dyna140 [6d Ts]
    BrowarFans: raises 410730 to 440730 and is all-in
    dyna140: folds
    Hand72o: folds
    Uncalled bet (410730) returned to BrowarFans
    BrowarFans collected 84000 from pot
    BrowarFans: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 84000 | Rake 0
    Seat 2: Hand72o (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 8: BrowarFans (button) collected (84000)
    Seat 9: dyna140 (small blind) folded before Flop


    Browarfans going all in on the button. Yes this is standard. But why did i mention this? Hand72o is in the BB. If he folds, i will shove. He isn't going to allow me to shove so he shoves here with any 2 cards so to have chips won by a poland player.

  8. #8
    7.

    PokerStars Hand #146704386035: Tournament #1437213681, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXVII (15000/30000) - 2016/01/08 17:16:27 ET
    Table '1437213681 16' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
    Seat 2: Hand72o (198870 in chips)
    Seat 8: BrowarFans (494730 in chips)
    Seat 9: dyna140 (192900 in chips)
    Hand72o: posts the ante 3000
    BrowarFans: posts the ante 3000
    dyna140: posts the ante 3000
    Hand72o: posts small blind 15000
    BrowarFans: posts big blind 30000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to dyna140 [3c 8c]
    dyna140: folds
    Hand72o: raises 165870 to 195870 and is all-in
    BrowarFans: folds
    Uncalled bet (165870) returned to Hand72o
    Hand72o collected 69000 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 69000 | Rake 0
    Seat 2: Hand72o (small blind) collected (69000)
    Seat 8: BrowarFans (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 9: dyna140 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)


    I got back some chips where im no longer short stack. Hand72o shoves all in here with less than 7bb. He has no issue shoving wide with this since browarfans is in the BB and won't call him unless its a monster.


    8.

    PokerStars Hand #146704419462: Tournament #1437213681, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXVII (15000/30000) - 2016/01/08 17:17:00 ET
    Table '1437213681 16' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
    Seat 2: Hand72o (44970 in chips)
    Seat 8: BrowarFans (443730 in chips)
    Seat 9: dyna140 (397800 in chips)
    Hand72o: posts the ante 3000
    BrowarFans: posts the ante 3000
    dyna140: posts the ante 3000
    dyna140: posts small blind 15000
    Hand72o: posts big blind 30000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to dyna140 [7h 3h]
    BrowarFans: folds
    dyna140: raises 30000 to 60000
    Hand72o: calls 11970 and is all-in
    Uncalled bet (18030) returned to dyna140
    *** FLOP *** [9s 6h 8d]
    *** TURN *** [9s 6h 8d] [4s]
    *** RIVER *** [9s 6h 8d 4s] [Jh]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    dyna140: shows [7h 3h] (high card Jack)
    Hand72o: shows [4c Ks] (a pair of Fours)
    Hand72o collected 92940 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 92940 | Rake 0
    Board [9s 6h 8d 4s Jh]
    Seat 2: Hand72o (big blind) showed [4c Ks] and won (92940) with a pair of Fours
    Seat 8: BrowarFans (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: dyna140 (small blind) showed [7h 3h] and lost with high card Jack


    So everytime hand72o is in the BB and i'm sb, browarfans shoves all in with any 2 cards to prevent me from shoving on hand72o. Here hand72o is the short stack and in BB. Browarfans is in button. Yet here he doesn't shove and protect hand72o? Of course not since he doesn't want to bust hand72o. Here he folds so it would be me against hand72o. He's hoping for hand72o to win here obviously. If he shoves, theres no incentive since if he busts hand72o, yes he does win the blinds and antes, its going to be heads up between me and him. That is of course not what he wants since he wants 2 poland players vs a non-pole.



    9.

    PokerStars Hand #146704495903: Tournament #1437213681, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXVII (15000/30000) - 2016/01/08 17:18:13 ET
    Table '1437213681 16' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
    Seat 2: Hand72o (152880 in chips)
    Seat 8: BrowarFans (434790 in chips)
    Seat 9: dyna140 (298830 in chips)
    Hand72o: posts the ante 3000
    BrowarFans: posts the ante 3000
    dyna140: posts the ante 3000
    Hand72o: posts small blind 15000
    BrowarFans: posts big blind 30000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to dyna140 [8c Ts]
    dyna140: folds
    Hand72o: raises 119880 to 149880 and is all-in
    BrowarFans: folds
    Uncalled bet (119880) returned to Hand72o
    Hand72o collected 69000 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 69000 | Rake 0
    Seat 2: Hand72o (small blind) collected (69000)
    Seat 8: BrowarFans (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 9: dyna140 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)


    Hand72o shoving on the button all in with 5bb. Of course Browarfans folds in the BB. He folded every single time when it got down to 3 handed when hand72 shoved except when he had AJ which is a mandatory call.



    10.

    *********** # 181 **************
    PokerStars Hand #146704120133: Tournament #1437213681, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXVI (10000/20000) - 2016/01/08 17:12:11 ET
    Table '1437213681 16' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
    Seat 2: Hand72o (122640 in chips)
    Seat 8: BrowarFans (316290 in chips)
    Seat 9: dyna140 (447570 in chips)
    Hand72o: posts the ante 2000
    BrowarFans: posts the ante 2000
    dyna140: posts the ante 2000
    dyna140: posts small blind 10000
    Hand72o: posts big blind 20000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to dyna140 [4d Ks]
    BrowarFans: folds
    dyna140: raises 425570 to 445570 and is all-in
    Hand72o: calls 100640 and is all-in
    Uncalled bet (324930) returned to dyna140
    *** FLOP *** [9c Qs Jc]
    *** TURN *** [9c Qs Jc] [2s]
    *** RIVER *** [9c Qs Jc 2s] [Qh]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    dyna140: shows [4d Ks] (a pair of Queens)
    Hand72o: shows [9h Qd] (a full house, Queens full of Nines)
    Hand72o collected 247280 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 247280 | Rake 0
    Board [9c Qs Jc 2s Qh]
    Seat 2: Hand72o (big blind) showed [9h Qd] and won (247280) with a full house, Queens full of Nines
    Seat 8: BrowarFans (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: dyna140 (small blind) showed [4d Ks] and lost with a pair of Queens


    Browarfans is button. Yet folds his button when hand72o is in the BB? Same reason like i mentioned. Hand72o is the short stack so he has to hope its me vs a nonpoland player. He doesn't want to double hand72o with chips from him since he is medium stack.




    11.

    *********** # 184 **************
    PokerStars Hand #146704174453: Tournament #1437213681, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXVI (10000/20000) - 2016/01/08 17:13:03 ET
    Table '1437213681 16' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
    Seat 2: Hand72o (233280 in chips)
    Seat 8: BrowarFans (285490 in chips)
    Seat 9: dyna140 (367730 in chips)
    Hand72o: posts the ante 2000
    BrowarFans: posts the ante 2000
    dyna140: posts the ante 2000
    dyna140: posts small blind 10000
    Hand72o: posts big blind 20000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to dyna140 [8d Ks]
    BrowarFans: folds
    dyna140: raises 345730 to 365730 and is all-in
    Hand72o: calls 211280 and is all-in
    Uncalled bet (134450) returned to dyna140
    *** FLOP *** [Qh Jc 8h]
    *** TURN *** [Qh Jc 8h] [5d]
    *** RIVER *** [Qh Jc 8h 5d] [Qd]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    dyna140: shows [8d Ks] (two pair, Queens and Eights)
    Hand72o: shows [8c 8s] (a full house, Eights full of Queens)
    Hand72o collected 468560 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 468560 | Rake 0
    Board [Qh Jc 8h 5d Qd]
    Seat 2: Hand72o (big blind) showed [8c 8s] and won (468560) with a full house, Eights full of Queens
    Seat 8: BrowarFans (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: dyna140 (small blind) showed [8d Ks] and lost with two pair, Queens and Eights


    Stacks are pretty close where there isn't a really low shortstack. Yet here Browarfans doesn't open shove all in here to protect hand72o? He was doing this throughout it with similar stacks since he is big stack. In this situation he shoves all in almost every time with these stacks. I have good hand in K8 and its easy shove from the SB. And hand72o has 88? So when hand72o has a stronge hand 3 handed like 88, browarfans decides to magically fold his button in a situation where he would shove almost every single time and has been doing throughout it when we been 3 handed when stacks were like this?

  9. #9
    12.

    *********** # 187 **************
    PokerStars Hand #146704267829: Tournament #1437213681, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXVII (15000/30000) - 2016/01/08 17:14:33 ET
    Table '1437213681 16' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
    Seat 2: Hand72o (339870 in chips)
    Seat 8: BrowarFans (447180 in chips)
    Seat 9: dyna140 (99450 in chips)
    Hand72o: posts the ante 3000
    BrowarFans: posts the ante 3000
    dyna140: posts the ante 3000
    dyna140: posts small blind 15000
    Hand72o: posts big blind 30000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to dyna140 [4s 7d]
    BrowarFans: raises 414180 to 444180 and is all-in
    dyna140: folds
    Hand72o: folds
    Uncalled bet (414180) returned to BrowarFans
    BrowarFans collected 84000 from pot
    BrowarFans: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 84000 | Rake 0
    Seat 2: Hand72o (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 8: BrowarFans (button) collected (84000)
    Seat 9: dyna140 (small blind) folded before Flop


    Browarfans back to shoving on the button to protect hand72o. Here im the short stack with around 3bb in the SB and obviously browarfans isn't going to fold and allow me shove and possibly double up against hand72o.




    13.

    *********** # 190 **************
    PokerStars Hand #146704314728: Tournament #1437213681, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXVII (15000/30000) - 2016/01/08 17:15:19 ET
    Table '1437213681 16' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
    Seat 2: Hand72o (285870 in chips)
    Seat 8: BrowarFans (520680 in chips)
    Seat 9: dyna140 (79950 in chips)
    Hand72o: posts the ante 3000
    BrowarFans: posts the ante 3000
    dyna140: posts the ante 3000
    dyna140: posts small blind 15000
    Hand72o: posts big blind 30000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to dyna140 [Tc Qc]
    BrowarFans: raises 487680 to 517680 and is all-in
    dyna140: calls 61950 and is all-in
    Hand72o: folds
    Uncalled bet (440730) returned to BrowarFans
    *** FLOP *** [Qs Ts Kd]
    *** TURN *** [Qs Ts Kd] [Js]
    *** RIVER *** [Qs Ts Kd Js] [2c]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    dyna140: shows [Tc Qc] (two pair, Queens and Tens)
    BrowarFans: shows [7c Qd] (a pair of Queens)
    dyna140 collected 192900 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 192900 | Rake 0
    Board [Qs Ts Kd Js 2c]
    Seat 2: Hand72o (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 8: BrowarFans (button) showed [7c Qd] and lost with a pair of Queens
    Seat 9: dyna140 (small blind) showed [Tc Qc] and won (192900) with two pair, Queens and Tens


    Browarfans shoving all in to protect hand72 since im the short stack. He has Q7 offsuit here. So he decides to shove here with q7 offsuit to prevent me from shoving in the Sb. Yet earlier when hand72 raises in SB with AA... he has a pretty big hand in KQ offsuit and decides to just flat instead of shoving all in? Also recall when that hand when Hand72o was all in pretty much in the BB yet Browarfans folded? He folded because he doesn't want to bust Hand72o. Very good chance he folded a hand that would be a shove if the BB was not polish.




    14.

    *********** # 192 **************
    PokerStars Hand #146704349516: Tournament #1437213681, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXVII (15000/30000) - 2016/01/08 17:15:52 ET
    Table '1437213681 16' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 2: Hand72o (234870 in chips)
    Seat 8: BrowarFans (407730 in chips)
    Seat 9: dyna140 (243900 in chips)
    Hand72o: posts the ante 3000
    BrowarFans: posts the ante 3000
    dyna140: posts the ante 3000
    BrowarFans: posts small blind 15000
    dyna140: posts big blind 30000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to dyna140 [5c 6h]
    Hand72o: folds
    BrowarFans: raises 374730 to 404730 and is all-in
    dyna140: folds
    Uncalled bet (374730) returned to BrowarFans
    BrowarFans collected 69000 from pot
    BrowarFans: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 69000 | Rake 0
    Seat 2: Hand72o (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: BrowarFans (small blind) collected (69000)
    Seat 9: dyna140 (big blind) folded before Flop



    Browarfans has no issues going all in and putting pressure on me yet won't do this if its hand72o.



    15.

    *********** # 193 **************
    PokerStars Hand #146704368514: Tournament #1437213681, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXVII (15000/30000) - 2016/01/08 17:16:10 ET
    Table '1437213681 16' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
    Seat 2: Hand72o (231870 in chips)
    Seat 8: BrowarFans (443730 in chips)
    Seat 9: dyna140 (210900 in chips)
    Hand72o: posts the ante 3000
    BrowarFans: posts the ante 3000
    dyna140: posts the ante 3000
    dyna140: posts small blind 15000
    Hand72o: posts big blind 30000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to dyna140 [6d Ts]
    BrowarFans: raises 410730 to 440730 and is all-in
    dyna140: folds
    Hand72o: folds
    Uncalled bet (410730) returned to BrowarFans
    BrowarFans collected 84000 from pot
    BrowarFans: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 84000 | Rake 0
    Seat 2: Hand72o (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 8: BrowarFans (button) collected (84000)
    Seat 9: dyna140 (small blind) folded before Flop

    *********** # 199 **************
    PokerStars Hand #146704479640: Tournament #1437213681, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXVII (15000/30000) - 2016/01/08 17:17:57 ET
    Table '1437213681 16' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
    Seat 2: Hand72o (185880 in chips)
    Seat 8: BrowarFans (383790 in chips)
    Seat 9: dyna140 (316830 in chips)
    Hand72o: posts the ante 3000
    BrowarFans: posts the ante 3000
    dyna140: posts the ante 3000
    dyna140: posts small blind 15000
    Hand72o: posts big blind 30000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to dyna140 [Th Qc]
    BrowarFans: raises 350790 to 380790 and is all-in
    dyna140: folds
    Hand72o: folds
    Uncalled bet (350790) returned to BrowarFans
    BrowarFans collected 84000 from pot
    BrowarFans: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 84000 | Rake 0
    Seat 2: Hand72o (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 8: BrowarFans (button) collected (84000)
    Seat 9: dyna140 (small blind) folded before Flop

    Look at the stacks. Obviously browarfans is shoving any 2 cards here since if he folds, im shoving on the hand72o. Protection.



    16.

    *********** # 194 **************
    PokerStars Hand #146704386035: Tournament #1437213681, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXVII (15000/30000) - 2016/01/08 17:16:27 ET
    Table '1437213681 16' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
    Seat 2: Hand72o (198870 in chips)
    Seat 8: BrowarFans (494730 in chips)
    Seat 9: dyna140 (192900 in chips)
    Hand72o: posts the ante 3000
    BrowarFans: posts the ante 3000
    dyna140: posts the ante 3000
    Hand72o: posts small blind 15000
    BrowarFans: posts big blind 30000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to dyna140 [3c 8c]
    dyna140: folds
    Hand72o: raises 165870 to 195870 and is all-in
    BrowarFans: folds
    Uncalled bet (165870) returned to Hand72o
    Hand72o collected 69000 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 69000 | Rake 0
    Seat 2: Hand72o (small blind) collected (69000)
    Seat 8: BrowarFans (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 9: dyna140 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)


    I fold button. Hand72o shoves all in for a bit more than 6bb. Of course browarfans folds here.



    17.

    *********** # 200 **************
    PokerStars Hand #146704495903: Tournament #1437213681, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXVII (15000/30000) - 2016/01/08 17:18:13 ET
    Table '1437213681 16' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
    Seat 2: Hand72o (152880 in chips)
    Seat 8: BrowarFans (434790 in chips)
    Seat 9: dyna140 (298830 in chips)
    Hand72o: posts the ante 3000
    BrowarFans: posts the ante 3000
    dyna140: posts the ante 3000
    Hand72o: posts small blind 15000
    BrowarFans: posts big blind 30000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to dyna140 [8c Ts]
    dyna140: folds
    Hand72o: raises 119880 to 149880 and is all-in
    BrowarFans: folds
    Uncalled bet (119880) returned to Hand72o
    Hand72o collected 69000 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 69000 | Rake 0
    Seat 2: Hand72o (small blind) collected (69000)
    Seat 8: BrowarFans (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 9: dyna140 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)


    I fold button. Hand72o shoves all in for a bit more than 5bb on browarfans yet again. Of course browarfans folds here. How many times is browarfans going to fold for a 5bb shove from hand72o?




    18.

    *********** # 202 **************
    PokerStars Hand #146704526771: Tournament #1437213681, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXVII (15000/30000) - 2016/01/08 17:18:43 ET
    Table '1437213681 16' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
    Seat 2: Hand72o (185880 in chips)
    Seat 8: BrowarFans (105960 in chips)
    Seat 9: dyna140 (594660 in chips)
    Hand72o: posts the ante 3000
    BrowarFans: posts the ante 3000
    dyna140: posts the ante 3000
    dyna140: posts small blind 15000
    Hand72o: posts big blind 30000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to dyna140 [Th Ks]
    BrowarFans: raises 72960 to 102960 and is all-in
    dyna140: raises 72960 to 175920
    Hand72o: folds
    Uncalled bet (72960) returned to dyna140
    *** FLOP *** [Kh 5c 4h]
    *** TURN *** [Kh 5c 4h] [Qd]
    *** RIVER *** [Kh 5c 4h Qd] [Td]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    dyna140: shows [Th Ks] (two pair, Kings and Tens)
    BrowarFans: shows [9c 8h] (high card King)
    dyna140 collected 244920 from pot
    BrowarFans finished the tournament in 3rd place and received $197.10.
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 244920 | Rake 0
    Board [Kh 5c 4h Qd Td]
    Seat 2: Hand72o (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 8: BrowarFans (button) showed [9c 8h] and lost with high card King
    Seat 9: dyna140 (small blind) showed [Th Ks] and won (244920) with two pair, Kings and Tens


    After I won a pot off browarfans, he is short stack. Here he shoves all in with more than 3bb on the button with 98offsuit. Here he shoves since he hopes i fold... and obviously if i fold, i can guarantee you hand72o would fold and they keep on chip balancing and not calling each others all ins.




    Eventually i bust Hand72o afterwards. Now if you take a look at the AA vs KQ where Browarfans flat call the SB raise with KQo with 14BB is just beyond laughable. He would reraise all in there every single time against a non-Pole. Couple the fact with Hand72o checking the turn to not take anymore chips from Browarfans looks very bad. He in that situation will never check the turn. He will bet the turn against any other nonpole to win more chips. But he doesnt bet here otherwise it would be just him vs me. Thats not exactly fair as its not 2 poles vs 1 nonpole.

  10. #10
    4. Poland 3bet isolation play/3bet isolation play caught


    Poland 3bet isolation play


    This play by the poland players is when a poland player raises and then another poland player reraises. Almost all the time what happens is everyone else would fold. Then the original poland player will fold. This very clever since by doing this, other players won't notice because its a raise and a reraise so they must be strong. The most important thing about this play is no hole cards are ever revealed so other players have no clue what the poland players are raising and reraising with. Well a bit under it we will see 2 examples of them getting caught doing.




    PokerStars Hand #141375043101: Tournament #1332631935, $7.34+$0.66 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (400/800) - 2015/09/26 15:06:32 CT [2015/09/26 16:06:32 ET]
    Table '1332631935 12' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 1: Pantonian (2940 in chips)
    Seat 3: GrkP66 (4711 in chips)
    Seat 4: dyna140 (8184 in chips)
    Seat 5: primkiller (8521 in chips)
    Seat 6: prince247223 (7384 in chips)
    Seat 7: MUSATHI1 (18369 in chips)
    Seat 8: ribooon (2323 in chips)
    Seat 9: Noicochuj (19806 in chips)
    Pantonian: posts the ante 75
    GrkP66: posts the ante 75
    dyna140: posts the ante 75
    primkiller: posts the ante 75
    prince247223: posts the ante 75
    MUSATHI1: posts the ante 75
    ribooon: posts the ante 75
    Noicochuj: posts the ante 75
    primkiller: posts small blind 400
    prince247223: posts big blind 800
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to dyna140 [9s Kd]
    MUSATHI1: raises 800 to 1600
    ribooon: folds
    Noicochuj: raises 3611 to 5211
    Pantonian: folds
    GrkP66: folds
    dyna140: folds
    primkiller: folds
    prince247223: folds
    MUSATHI1: folds
    Uncalled bet (3611) returned to Noicochuj
    Noicochuj collected 5000 from pot
    Noicochuj: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 5000 | Rake 0
    Seat 1: Pantonian folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: GrkP66 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: dyna140 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: primkiller (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 6: prince247223 (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 7: MUSATHI1 folded before Flop
    Seat 8: ribooon folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: Noicochuj collected (5000)


    Poland player Musathi1 raises, poland player Noicochuj reraises to isolate. Of course Musathi1 folds to a 3bet. . They raise on each others blinds when one is sb or BB




    PokerStars Hand #134248097762: Tournament #1210891125, $13.77+$1.23 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2015/04/24 14:14:20 CT [2015/04/24 15:14:20 ET]
    Table '1210891125 9' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 1: SeBiX7 (5663 in chips)
    Seat 2: dyna140 (532 in chips)
    Seat 3: Bogey2303 (2459 in chips)
    Seat 4: Clerick Gram (4209 in chips)
    Seat 5: silberstreif (1014 in chips)
    Seat 7: XtremeFly (3233 in chips)
    Seat 8: NegPL (4404 in chips)
    Seat 9: pokerfaceg37 (2390 in chips)
    SeBiX7: posts the ante 20
    dyna140: posts the ante 20
    Bogey2303: posts the ante 20
    Clerick Gram: posts the ante 20
    silberstreif: posts the ante 20
    XtremeFly: posts the ante 20
    NegPL: posts the ante 20
    pokerfaceg37: posts the ante 20
    silberstreif: posts small blind 100
    XtremeFly: posts big blind 200
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to dyna140 [4d 4s]
    NegPL: raises 216 to 416
    pokerfaceg37: folds
    SeBiX7: raises 615 to 1031
    dyna140: folds
    Bogey2303: folds
    Clerick Gram: folds
    silberstreif: folds
    XtremeFly: folds
    NegPL: folds
    Uncalled bet (615) returned to SeBiX7
    SeBiX7 collected 1292 from pot
    SeBiX7: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 1292 | Rake 0
    Seat 1: SeBiX7 collected (1292)
    Seat 2: dyna140 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: Bogey2303 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: Clerick Gram (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: silberstreif (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 7: XtremeFly (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 8: NegPL folded before Flop
    Seat 9: pokerfaceg37 folded before Flop (didn't bet)



    Poland player NegPL raises, fellow poland player sebix7 immediately 3bets. NegPL of course folds. No hole cards are revealed.




    PokerStars Hand #140969202096: Tournament #1325726034, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XV (1000/2000) - 2015/09/17 15:01:25 CT [2015/09/17 16:01:25 ET]
    Table '1325726034 13' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
    Seat 1: butterZiii (26466 in chips)
    Seat 2: xxxZotecxxx (21403 in chips)
    Seat 3: Mikwej (33199 in chips)
    Seat 5: Andrzej74kg (36656 in chips)
    Seat 6: dyna140 (64940 in chips)
    Seat 7: FunkiManki (22976 in chips)
    Seat 8: bonboneniq (10338 in chips)
    Seat 9: Biachapaval (13097 in chips)
    butterZiii: posts the ante 200
    xxxZotecxxx: posts the ante 200
    Mikwej: posts the ante 200
    Andrzej74kg: posts the ante 200
    dyna140: posts the ante 200
    FunkiManki: posts the ante 200
    bonboneniq: posts the ante 200
    Biachapaval: posts the ante 200
    bonboneniq: posts small blind 1000
    Biachapaval: posts big blind 2000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to dyna140 [6h Kh]
    butterZiii: folds
    xxxZotecxxx: folds
    Mikwej: raises 2000 to 4000
    Andrzej74kg: raises 5326 to 9326
    dyna140: folds
    FunkiManki: folds
    bonboneniq: folds
    Biachapaval: folds
    Mikwej: folds
    Uncalled bet (5326) returned to Andrzej74kg
    Andrzej74kg collected 12600 from pot
    Andrzej74kg: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 12600 | Rake 0
    Seat 1: butterZiii folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: xxxZotecxxx folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: Mikwej folded before Flop
    Seat 5: Andrzej74kg collected (12600)
    Seat 6: dyna140 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: FunkiManki (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: bonboneniq (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 9: Biachapaval (big blind) folded before Flop



    Poland player Mikwej raises, Andrzej74kg 3bets and of course Mikwej folds and the blinds and antes are won by a Poland player. Very important here since blinds are very high so this move works quite a bit.


    This play happens countless times with the poland players. Usually this happens when one poland player would act right after the next poland player... whether it was in early position or mid position or late position.


    Here's a very important point of this 3bet isolation play. This play happened so much that it was so common. The moment i posted the thread about the poland players and these plays of theirs... guess what happened? I rarely see the 3bet isolation play anymore. Before that, it was happening all the time. Why? Because the poland players were aware i caught on to this play and they eventually had to tone it down a bit otherwise it would look very bad on them. Yet when the moment i reported it, the 3bet isolation play rarely happens... shouldn't that raise suspicion? Nope, security didn't even address this issue at all.





    PokerStars Hand #141560585888: Tournament #1335779634, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (150/300) - 2015/09/30 16:34:31 CT [2015/09/30 17:34:31 ET]
    Table '1335779634 2' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
    Seat 1: Erica2131 (3080 in chips)
    Seat 2: evaaaaaaaaan (8640 in chips)
    Seat 3: _[LKK]_90 (6305 in chips)
    Seat 4: butterZiii (6514 in chips)
    Seat 5: BrowarFans (7979 in chips)
    Seat 6: dabek9191 (2523 in chips)
    Seat 7: dyna140 (4040 in chips)
    Seat 8: wow.GhosT (5757 in chips)
    Seat 9: Oledjan (5630 in chips)
    Erica2131: posts the ante 25
    evaaaaaaaaan: posts the ante 25
    _[LKK]_90: posts the ante 25
    butterZiii: posts the ante 25
    BrowarFans: posts the ante 25
    dabek9191: posts the ante 25
    dyna140: posts the ante 25
    wow.GhosT: posts the ante 25
    Oledjan: posts the ante 25
    dyna140: posts small blind 150
    wow.GhosT: posts big blind 300
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to dyna140 [Ad 5s]
    Oledjan: folds
    wow.GhosT said, "where are u from btw?"
    Erica2131: folds
    evaaaaaaaaan: folds
    _[LKK]_90: folds
    dyna140 said, "not going to help you pole"
    butterZiii: folds
    dyna140 said, "ure ppl gonig down"
    BrowarFans: raises 300 to 600
    dabek9191: raises 1898 to 2498 and is all-in
    dyna140: folds
    wow.GhosT: folds
    BrowarFans: folds
    Uncalled bet (1898) returned to dabek9191
    dabek9191 collected 1875 from pot
    dabek9191: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 1875 | Rake 0
    Seat 1: Erica2131 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: evaaaaaaaaan folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: _[LKK]_90 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: butterZiii folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: BrowarFans folded before Flop
    Seat 6: dabek9191 (button) collected (1875)
    Seat 7: dyna140 (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 8: wow.GhosT (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 9: Oledjan folded before Flop (didn't bet)



    Yet the same play over again. Poland player Browarfans raises... then RIGHT AFTER HIM POLAND PLAYER dabek9191 reraises him all in. And of course... Browarfans here... he took a very long time used his entire time bank... then folded. dabek9191 reshoves all in for 8BB TotalL. Yet Browarfans with a big stack... folds when hes getting good pot odds. He's calling here if the reraiser isn't Polish and that is a fact as many hands like this he has called nonpoles to their small reshove. Initial Poland player Browarfans who raised... then took whole time bank before folding. They are obviously weighing the pros/cons of calling the shove and obviously no point since it would potentially eliminate his fellow Poland player. And obviously both situation here its a fold to a reraise to a fellow Pole.


    Also there is another important thing in this. Look who is in the big blind. Wow.Ghost is the BB and thus another poland player. So this offers protection to dabek9191 especially if they know each others cards. Thus if they have big cards or an ace, they know lesser chance of me having a hand here. Poland player Browarfans raises in the cutoff, Poland player dabek9191 reraises all in from the button. I'm in the small blind and their fellow Polish player Wow.Ghost is the BB. The thing is these situation, no they are not typing this on skype as that would be way too overboard. But they pretty much have an agreement on what is best to do in situations like this which is to give chips to the shorter stack poland player.


    And here they chop my small blind and take the blinds of every other player on the table with this all in move from dabek and Browarfans folds when he's getting great pot odds... dabek shoves for just 8 BB total...and Browarfans has a huge stack.

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    3bet isolation play caught


    Poland players caught 3bet isolating protecting each other



    This is how i found out they were 3bet isolating each other with weaker holdings. Now there is nothing wrong with this as
    3betting weak hands. But its collusion when you only do this against your fellow poles to take down the blinds and antes without showdown and rarely do it against nonpoles since you have no backup poland friend to help you out.


    PokerStars Hand #140033824575: Tournament #1309618884, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (125/250) - 2015/08/28 15:35:51 CT [2015/08/28 16:35:51 ET]
    Table '1309618884 16' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
    Seat 2: AKwtoras (7367 in chips)
    Seat 3: ChupiscaTga (4599 in chips)
    Seat 4: wiesiek25 (1552 in chips)
    Seat 5: Crim44 (8198 in chips)
    Seat 6: GeorgeAKK (9482 in chips)
    Seat 7: c0nscience (6008 in chips)
    Seat 8: ChipKloner (6552 in chips)
    Seat 9: dyna140 (3975 in chips)
    AKwtoras: posts the ante 25
    ChupiscaTga: posts the ante 25
    wiesiek25: posts the ante 25
    Crim44: posts the ante 25
    GeorgeAKK: posts the ante 25
    c0nscience: posts the ante 25
    ChipKloner: posts the ante 25
    dyna140: posts the ante 25
    ChipKloner: posts small blind 125
    dyna140: posts big blind 250
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to dyna140 [8s 8d]
    AKwtoras: folds
    ChupiscaTga: folds
    wiesiek25: folds
    Crim44: raises 250 to 500
    GeorgeAKK: folds
    c0nscience: raises 750 to 1250
    ChipKloner: folds
    dyna140: raises 2700 to 3950 and is all-in
    Crim44: folds
    c0nscience: calls 2700
    *** FLOP *** [Jc 2s 3s]
    *** TURN *** [Jc 2s 3s] [8h]
    *** RIVER *** [Jc 2s 3s 8h] [Th]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    dyna140: shows [8s 8d] (three of a kind, Eights)
    c0nscience: shows [Kd Tc] (a pair of Tens)
    dyna140 collected 8725 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 8725 | Rake 0
    Board [Jc 2s 3s 8h Th]
    Seat 2: AKwtoras folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: ChupiscaTga folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: wiesiek25 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: Crim44 folded before Flop
    Seat 6: GeorgeAKK folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: c0nscience (button) showed [Kd Tc] and lost with a pair of Tens
    Seat 8: ChipKloner (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 9: dyna140 (big blind) showed [8s 8d] and won (8725) with three of a kind, Eights


    Poland player Crim44 raising my BB. Poland player c0nscience then 3bets as this is the Poland 3bet isolation play. Thus crim44 would then fold to the 3bet like we seen over and over again and keep the chips with a poland player. So what happens here is this makes it harder for someone to reshove since c0nscience reraises. However, this is an all in since this is pretty much the Poland 3bet isolation play and then c0nscience takes his time then calls me with K10o after getting caught. I'm not folding 88 against 2 poland players raising and reraising trying to take down the blinds and antes. Its pretty obvious this is what each one of these poland players had each time they 3bet one another small so a Pole would take down the chips uncontested. c0nscience got caught here right here. Also notice chip balancing as crim has more chips then c0nscience. By a pole raising and another pole reraising, that gives them the best chance to take down the pot preflop as we seen in previous examples.

    Here is a very important fact. I have seen countless Poland 3bet isolation plays. I have rarely if ever seen the original raiser call or go all in. Now if I seen it happen a few times, I wouldn't suspect anything. However when it happens over and over, its pretty obvious whats going on. And since Poland people are pretty smart and clever, they know how to manipulate it correctly unless someone is aware of their tendencies.



    PokerStars Hand #146580762652: Tournament #1434809105, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (125/250) - 2016/01/06 14:30:52 ET
    Table '1434809105 13' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
    Seat 1: et.Muddle (5208 in chips)
    Seat 2: Abkm1268 (3544 in chips)
    Seat 3: Fisheto (4213 in chips)
    Seat 4: czeslawow (3440 in chips)
    Seat 5: BigTunna99 (7995 in chips)
    Seat 6: m.sandor85 (4220 in chips)
    Seat 7: andrru (9208 in chips)
    Seat 8: kylsonn1 (12660 in chips)
    Seat 9: dyna140 (3060 in chips)
    et.Muddle: posts the ante 25
    Abkm1268: posts the ante 25
    Fisheto: posts the ante 25
    czeslawow: posts the ante 25
    BigTunna99: posts the ante 25
    m.sandor85: posts the ante 25
    andrru: posts the ante 25
    kylsonn1: posts the ante 25
    dyna140: posts the ante 25
    dyna140: posts small blind 125
    et.Muddle: posts big blind 250
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to dyna140 [Ts Th]
    Abkm1268: folds
    Fisheto: folds
    czeslawow: folds
    BigTunna99: folds
    m.sandor85: folds
    andrru: raises 250 to 500
    kylsonn1: raises 750 to 1250
    dyna140: raises 1785 to 3035 and is all-in
    et.Muddle: folds
    andrru: folds
    kylsonn1: calls 1785
    *** FLOP *** [6s 5s 5d]
    *** TURN *** [6s 5s 5d] [3d]
    *** RIVER *** [6s 5s 5d 3d] [3s]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    dyna140: shows [Ts Th] (two pair, Tens and Fives)
    kylsonn1: shows [7d 8d] (two pair, Fives and Threes)
    dyna140 collected 7045 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 7045 | Rake 0
    Board [6s 5s 5d 3d 3s]
    Seat 1: et.Muddle (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 2: Abkm1268 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: Fisheto folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: czeslawow folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: BigTunna99 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: m.sandor85 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: andrru folded before Flop
    Seat 8: kylsonn1 (button) showed [7d 8d] and lost with two pair, Fives and Threes
    Seat 9: dyna140 (small blind) showed [Ts Th] and won (7045) with two pair, Tens and Fives



    Poland player andruu raises in late position. Fellow poland player reraises to 1250 next to act. Where have we heard this before? I have 10s and obviously its a monster against the poland 3 bet isolation play. Remember this play is to 3bet and take down the blinds and antes without showdown and other players won't know what either player has here. I shove for 12bb. kylsonn1 takes a bit and calls. And here has 78 diamonds. Whats the issue here? He doesn't ever 3bet light against non poland players. Why does he do it against a fellow poland player? Because the other poland player is either going to lay it down like what happen here or they would just reshove if they have a monster since folding that would be beyond collusion. Remember crim44 did this exact play with c0nscience. c0nscience got caught by me in the BB when i had 88 and obviously he didn't have much just k10. K10 is good to do this due to having a king blocker. If I didn't have anything here, what will happen is a poland player will win the blinds and antes and no one will notice what happened.


    Another important thing here is Poland player andruu seems to love raising fellow Poland players BB. He and fellow Poland player jamadrian love doing this as well. Not a surprise since here had i not had anything, fellow poland player andruu would fold and no one would have a clue what just happened since no one would know what kylsoon1 has. The issue with this here is he doesn't do this against non-poles. If he did, this wouldn't be any issue and would be what most of you call as standard.


    Also look at all the 3bet isolation plays i posted earlier. They did this a ton where it was so common. How many of those do you think looked like these hands? A very high percentage.

  13. #13
    5. Prejudice Collusion



    Poland players playing bias when against poles vs nonpoles. Making calls and raise that they normally would not make under circumstances when they are the only poland player at the table.


    This is a very good one.



    PokerStars Hand #144939664402: Tournament #1402106046, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (150/300) - 2015/12/06 18:15:16 ET
    Table '1402106046 20' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: puma543 (5840 in chips)
    Seat 2: dyna140 (6593 in chips)
    Seat 3: Vronx93 (3974 in chips)
    Seat 4: cebezet (2864 in chips)
    Seat 5: lisapisa153 (5308 in chips)
    Seat 7: Nur1ck (5540 in chips)
    Seat 8: Jatekos888 (18525 in chips)
    Seat 9: iulian.p1 (4839 in chips)
    puma543: posts the ante 25
    dyna140: posts the ante 25
    Vronx93: posts the ante 25
    cebezet: posts the ante 25
    lisapisa153: posts the ante 25
    Nur1ck: posts the ante 25
    Jatekos888: posts the ante 25
    iulian.p1: posts the ante 25
    dyna140: posts small blind 150
    Vronx93: posts big blind 300
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to dyna140 [Jh Ac]
    cebezet: raises 2539 to 2839 and is all-in
    lisapisa153: folds
    Nur1ck: folds
    Jatekos888: folds
    iulian.p1: folds
    puma543: folds
    dyna140: raises 3729 to 6568 and is all-in
    Vronx93: calls 3649 and is all-in
    Uncalled bet (2619) returned to dyna140
    *** FLOP *** [8s 4d Qh]
    *** TURN *** [8s 4d Qh] [Kd]
    *** RIVER *** [8s 4d Qh Kd] [4s]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    dyna140: shows [Jh Ac] (a pair of Fours)
    Vronx93: shows [Ks Ts] (two pair, Kings and Fours)
    Vronx93 collected 2220 from side pot
    cebezet: shows [Qd Td] (two pair, Queens and Fours)
    Vronx93 collected 8717 from main pot
    cebezet finished the tournament in 120th place
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 10937 Main pot 8717. Side pot 2220. | Rake 0
    Board [8s 4d Qh Kd 4s]
    Seat 1: puma543 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: dyna140 (small blind) showed [Jh Ac] and lost with a pair of Fours
    Seat 3: Vronx93 (big blind) showed [Ks Ts] and won (10937) with two pair, Kings and Fours
    Seat 4: cebezet showed [Qd Td] and lost with two pair, Queens and Fours
    Seat 5: lisapisa153 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: Nur1ck folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: Jatekos888 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: iulian.p1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)


    Poland player cebezet shove utg for 10bb. I then reshove with AQ in the SB. Yet Vronx93 who has done a lot of suspicious plays calls both the poland utg all in after i reshove from the Small Blind with K10s there and with 12 big blinds?


    If everyone folded, he would have folded his K10s there. Yet he calls both all ins. He took his time bank then called the all in here because it would be 2 poland players all in against me. He called 2 all ins with 12BB with K10s in the BB knowing it would be him and his buddy cebezet vs me. So this isn't a misclick at all. This guy has been softplaying with his fellow poles for a long time.


    If UTG was not polish, he would have folded the K10s here and that is 100% fact. So instead of folding, he calls when someone else reshoves from the SB?


    So lets look at this. The utg poland player cebezet is very tight like typical poland players and shoves 10bb utg. So assuming everyone folded to him, would he call with K10s? Obviously not. Yet this time decides okay i will call 12BB off with K10s when a tight poland player shoved utg with 10bb and then I of course reshoved in the SB? The poland player shoved UTG with 10BB. He didn't shove in late position or middle position. Even if it was folded to him, he would be folding K10s yet he calls after I call.



    Here is the explanation on how this works. If vronx93 folds. i would be a decent favorite vs the original poland player since im reshoving from the SB and the original shover is UTG and its 1 on 1. If he calls here, he knows both of their combined equities would be at least 50%. Think about it. Here if these hands were played face up, its profitable for him to call with K10s here since his equity along with his fellow poland friend equity would add up to 57%. Ajo has 43% equity vs the 2 other hands. Also cezebet is a tight poland player. Why would you call an utg shove for 10BB with K10s in the bb? Now he calls it after i reshove in the SB which makes it even more ridiculous. This is basically 2 on 1. He had 12bb... not like he has no chips left.



    Here he has two options.


    1. Fold and most likely his fellow poland friend cezebet will lose and bust out.


    2. Or call there knowing they both have more than 50% equity and that way they have greater than 50% chance of busting me. Its pretty obviously option 2 is the better one.


    Its a very clever form of collusion that most people would not notice. Would he have called that shove with K10s if the UTG was non-polish? Not even a chance. He wouldn't even call if I folded.





    PokerStars Hand #143161793607: Tournament #1367087233, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (125/250) - 2015/11/01 13:54:51 CT [2015/11/01 14:54:51 ET]
    Table '1367087233 16' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
    Seat 1: ChepelevV (3910 in chips)
    Seat 2: Tagas65 (6488 in chips)
    Seat 3: Krafty_lt (4175 in chips)
    Seat 4: gold 00900 (4144 in chips)
    Seat 5: dyna140 (2673 in chips)
    Seat 6: ntredicci (5060 in chips)
    Seat 7: Qpax30 (5899 in chips)
    Seat 8: dabek9191 (3924 in chips)
    Seat 9: SweeTxChild (5807 in chips)
    ChepelevV: posts the ante 25
    Tagas65: posts the ante 25
    Krafty_lt: posts the ante 25
    gold 00900: posts the ante 25
    dyna140: posts the ante 25
    ntredicci: posts the ante 25
    Qpax30: posts the ante 25
    dabek9191: posts the ante 25
    SweeTxChild: posts the ante 25
    gold 00900: posts small blind 125
    dyna140: posts big blind 250
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to dyna140 [3s 3h]
    ntredicci: folds
    Qpax30: calls 250
    dabek9191: folds
    SweeTxChild: raises 5532 to 5782 and is all-in
    ChepelevV: folds
    Tagas65: folds
    Krafty_lt: folds
    gold 00900: folds
    dyna140: folds
    Qpax30: folds
    Uncalled bet (5532) returned to SweeTxChild
    SweeTxChild collected 1100 from pot
    SweeTxChild: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 1100 | Rake 0
    Seat 1: ChepelevV folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: Tagas65 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: Krafty_lt (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: gold 00900 (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 5: dyna140 (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 6: ntredicci folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: Qpax30 folded before Flop
    Seat 8: dabek9191 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: SweeTxChild collected (1100)


    Poland player Qpax30 open limps. Why is he limping when he plays very tight? 14/11 players don't open limp in early position. Isn't that going to mean someone could raise behind him? Well yes. Poland player Sweetxchild decides to just shove all in for 23 BB for no reason. Then of course Qpax30 folds. This is pretty much the poland limp to make it look like monster then another poland player isolates. In the end, poland player takes it down. I was told by stars qpax had a decent hand here. Yet if he did, he going to open limp as oppose to raise? He plays very tight and with those stats, you are not open limping in early position, you are raising. Because he if raises, sweetxchild would then reraise then qpax loses 2bb instead of 1. If he had a monster, why in the world would he open shove for 23BB? He never does this normally. Thats the big issue here.


    The reason he would this is to tell Qpax30 to fold. Head of security told me sweetxchild had KK in this hand. If anyone else limps here similar to Qpax30... sweetxchild would just do a standard raise not open shove for 23bb. When a player never open shoves 23BB, he finally decides to do it against a fellow Polish player? Well of course. Its to tell him lay it down. Basically any time a poland player bets huge against a fellow poland player, its fold i have a big hand. But of course if the other poland player has a big hand, he will have to call otherwise it would draw a lot of attention. Open shipping here against a fellow pole to tell him to fold vs a nonpole where sweetxchild would do a standard raise is collusion plain and simple.

  14. #14
    6. Chip Balancing/Cover Play



    This is when 2 poland players go at it where one is a bigger stack and one is the shorter stack who needs chips. Almost always the short stack will win the pot unless big stack has a monster otherwise the can't chip balance to the shorter stack. In many of these situations, the shorter stack poland player will flat call raises out of the BB with very weak holdings... only to win the pot after the flop since they either bet the flop and bigger poland stack folds or it goes check, check and then shorter stack bets and bigger stack folds. These poland players do not defend junk against nonpoland players for obvious reasons. The other form is when its folded to a poland player with a big stack and a small poland stack is behind. He will give the shorter stack a lot of walks as shown here. Here are some examples




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    PokerStars Hand #143327107113: Tournament #1370422485, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (125/250) - 2015/11/04 18:01:17 ET
    Table '1370422485 19' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
    c0nscience takes the add-on and receives 2000 chips for $3.19
    jontenlol takes the add-on and receives 2000 chips for $3.19
    ZiomStefan takes the add-on and receives 2000 chips for $3.19
    Bikey92 takes the add-on and receives 2000 chips for $3.19
    VanVicta takes the add-on and receives 2000 chips for $3.19
    zewlak93 takes the add-on and receives 2000 chips for $3.19
    dinos622 takes the add-on and receives 2000 chips for $3.19
    dyna140 takes the add-on and receives 2000 chips for $3.19
    RioYuehLee takes the add-on and receives 2000 chips for $3.19
    Seat 1: dinos622 (4940 in chips)
    Seat 2: VanVicta (7174 in chips)
    Seat 3: zewlak93 (3060 in chips)
    Seat 4: c0nscience (6116 in chips)
    Seat 5: RioYuehLee (4805 in chips)
    Seat 6: dyna140 (16074 in chips)
    Seat 7: jontenlol (4606 in chips)
    Seat 8: Bikey92 (3500 in chips)
    Seat 9: ZiomStefan (7350 in chips)
    dinos622: posts the ante 25
    VanVicta: posts the ante 25
    zewlak93: posts the ante 25
    c0nscience: posts the ante 25
    RioYuehLee: posts the ante 25
    dyna140: posts the ante 25
    jontenlol: posts the ante 25
    Bikey92: posts the ante 25
    ZiomStefan: posts the ante 25
    Bikey92: posts small blind 125
    ZiomStefan: posts big blind 250
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to dyna140 [Kc 9s]
    dinos622: folds
    VanVicta: folds
    zewlak93: folds
    c0nscience: folds
    RioYuehLee: folds
    dyna140: folds
    jontenlol: folds
    Bikey92: raises 300 to 550
    ZiomStefan: calls 300
    *** FLOP *** [2h 8c As]
    Bikey92: bets 512
    ZiomStefan: calls 512
    *** TURN *** [2h 8c As] [8h]
    Bikey92: checks
    ZiomStefan: checks
    *** RIVER *** [2h 8c As 8h] [Ac]
    Bikey92: checks
    ZiomStefan: checks
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Bikey92: shows [Ks 9h] (two pair, Aces and Eights)
    ZiomStefan: shows [Kd Jd] (two pair, Aces and Eights)
    Bikey92 collected 1175 from pot
    ZiomStefan collected 1174 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 2349 | Rake 0
    Board [2h 8c As 8h Ac]
    Seat 1: dinos622 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: VanVicta folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: zewlak93 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: c0nscience folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: RioYuehLee folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: dyna140 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: jontenlol (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: Bikey92 (small blind) showed [Ks 9h] and won (1175) with two pair, Aces and Eights
    Seat 9: ZiomStefan (big blind) showed [Kd Jd] and won (1174) with two pair, Aces and Eights


    Here is the poland cover play, chip balancing and everything yet again. It folds to the poland player bikey92 in the SB. He is the shorter stack. Fellow poland player ziomstefan is in the BB. He has a big stack. He is very tighter play. So you know where this is going. Bikey raises in the SB. On the flop, bikey92 bets. Two things are going to happen. Either ziomstefan folds or he calls only to have bikey92 bet on turn or river and then ziomstefan folds to chipbalance to the shorter stack. However there is one big issue they ran across to. On the turn, they both check, check. Now look what happens on the river. Both players check. First off, ziomstefan could probably bluff this river or even bet this river to get bikey92 to fold. Why didn't he do that? Well its because bikey92 is the shorter stack. There are a lot more issues with this. First off in this situation when bikey92 raises in the SB and Ziomstefan has KJ suited in the BB, he would be reshoving it all in against any nonpole. Yes he is tight player but he will bet 3betting all in with KJs with this stack. Why did he just flat call instead of reshoving all in? Basically he would never flat call here ever against a non-pole and would reship almost everytime. Yet here he just flat calls the raise? Basically ziomstefan wanted to just chip dump here but the turn and river made it very hard to do so.





    PokerStars Hand #143327505124: Tournament #1370422485, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (150/300) - 2015/11/04 18:09:22 ET
    Table '1370422485 19' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: dinos622 (12565 in chips)
    Seat 2: VanVicta (6999 in chips)
    Seat 4: c0nscience (5441 in chips)
    Seat 5: fsigiz (3476 in chips)
    Seat 6: dyna140 (13301 in chips)
    Seat 7: jontenlol (3306 in chips)
    Seat 8: Bikey92 (8126 in chips)
    Seat 9: ZiomStefan (8437 in chips)
    dinos622: posts the ante 25
    VanVicta: posts the ante 25
    c0nscience: posts the ante 25
    fsigiz: posts the ante 25
    dyna140: posts the ante 25
    jontenlol: posts the ante 25
    Bikey92: posts the ante 25
    ZiomStefan: posts the ante 25
    VanVicta: posts small blind 150
    c0nscience: posts big blind 300
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to dyna140 [5d Ah]
    fsigiz: folds
    dyna140: folds
    jontenlol: folds
    Bikey92: folds
    ZiomStefan: raises 300 to 600
    dinos622: folds
    VanVicta: folds
    c0nscience: folds
    Uncalled bet (300) returned to ZiomStefan
    ZiomStefan collected 950 from pot
    ZiomStefan: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 950 | Rake 0
    Seat 1: dinos622 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: VanVicta (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 4: c0nscience (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 5: fsigiz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: dyna140 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: jontenlol folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: Bikey92 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: ZiomStefan collected (950)


    Ziomstefan raising c0nscience BB to protect him. When he raises... there is one nonpoland player dinos622 there. Then you have 2 poland players vanvicta and c0nscience. Obviously once dinos622 folds, well chips are going to a Pole. Remember ziomstefan is a pretty typical tight poland player. Yet once there are 3 other poland players behind, he basically start raising half his hands. Coincidence? Nope.




    PokerStars Hand #143327642254: Tournament #1370422485, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (200/400) - 2015/11/04 18:12:11 ET
    Table '1370422485 19' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
    Seat 1: dinos622 (3403 in chips)
    Seat 2: VanVicta (10630 in chips)
    Seat 3: Hayastan33 (9409 in chips)
    Seat 4: c0nscience (4866 in chips)
    Seat 5: fsigiz (2901 in chips)
    Seat 6: dyna140 (15676 in chips)
    Seat 8: Bikey92 (7601 in chips)
    Seat 9: ZiomStefan (16649 in chips)
    dinos622: posts the ante 50
    VanVicta: posts the ante 50
    Hayastan33: posts the ante 50
    c0nscience: posts the ante 50
    fsigiz: posts the ante 50
    dyna140: posts the ante 50
    Bikey92: posts the ante 50
    ZiomStefan: posts the ante 50
    Bikey92: posts small blind 200
    ZiomStefan: posts big blind 400
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to dyna140 [6c Jd]
    dinos622: folds
    VanVicta: raises 400 to 800
    Hayastan33: folds
    c0nscience: folds
    fsigiz: folds
    dyna140: folds
    Bikey92: folds
    ZiomStefan: calls 400
    *** FLOP *** [Kd 8c 4h]
    ZiomStefan: checks
    VanVicta: checks
    *** TURN *** [Kd 8c 4h] [2c]
    ZiomStefan: checks
    VanVicta: bets 990
    ZiomStefan: folds
    Uncalled bet (990) returned to VanVicta
    VanVicta collected 2200 from pot
    VanVicta: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 2200 | Rake 0
    Board [Kd 8c 4h 2c]
    Seat 1: dinos622 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: VanVicta collected (2200)
    Seat 3: Hayastan33 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: c0nscience folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: fsigiz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: dyna140 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: Bikey92 (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 9: ZiomStefan (big blind) folded on the Turn


    Poland player vanvicta raising his fellow ziomstefan BB. Ziomstefan flat calls the min raise. We know where this is heading since zimostefan is the bigger stack. Flop goes check, check. Turn goes ziomstefan checks, vanvicta bets and ziomstefan folds. Basically chip balancing, cover play and everything in this hand. Ziomstefan is a tight player He rarely flat call in the BB t raises ever. I played a lot with him at the tables. I was just literally laughing at how this guy was basically calling raises so many times out of the BB. He probably did this at this table more than every table i seen him total played at when there were no other Poland players to help him out and I am not exaggerating.


    So basically someone that plays very tight... somehow starts playing and raising 1/2 his hands. Calls the opening raise from his fellow poland player at least 3 times in this table when i don't recall him doing it 3 times ever total. And basically never wins chips and gives chips away to the fellow pole with the shorter stack. And of course that hand where he had KJs and didn't reshove because it was against a fellow pole and he wanted to chip balance but his fellow pole didn't bet the turn or river.

  15. #15
    PokerStars Hand #149361569383: Tournament #1489474886, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (200/400) - 2016/02/24 17:14:10 ET
    Table '1489474886 11' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 1: biga_moraes (6485 in chips)
    Seat 2: AAngryTiger (8204 in chips)
    Seat 4: dyna140 (13724 in chips)
    Seat 5: pkrprince90 (1700 in chips)
    Seat 6: monmons (18325 in chips)
    Seat 7: wow.GhosT (2114 in chips)
    Seat 8: cebezet (6614 in chips)
    Seat 9: kimchisama (5051 in chips)
    biga_moraes: posts the ante 50
    AAngryTiger: posts the ante 50
    dyna140: posts the ante 50
    pkrprince90: posts the ante 50
    monmons: posts the ante 50
    wow.GhosT: posts the ante 50
    cebezet: posts the ante 50
    kimchisama: posts the ante 50
    pkrprince90: posts small blind 200
    monmons: posts big blind 400
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to dyna140 [2c 7s]
    wow.GhosT: raises 1664 to 2064 and is all-in
    cebezet: folds
    kimchisama: folds
    biga_moraes: folds
    AAngryTiger: folds
    dyna140: folds
    pkrprince90: folds
    monmons: folds
    Uncalled bet (1664) returned to wow.GhosT
    wow.GhosT collected 1400 from pot
    wow.GhosT: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 1400 | Rake 0
    Seat 1: biga_moraes folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: AAngryTiger folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: dyna140 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: pkrprince90 (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 6: monmons (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 7: wow.GhosT collected (1400)
    Seat 8: cebezet folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: kimchisama folded before Flop (didn't bet)


    Wow.ghost goes all in for 5bb utg. Big stack poland player monmons has a huge stack in the BB. He is already in the BB for 1bb. Not calling 4bb with great pot odds to bust fellow poland player wow.ghost? Obviously not. Check this situation where any nonpole shoves for 5BB and he already is in the BB for 1BB and has that huge stack its an auto call.




    PokerStars Hand #149361919350: Tournament #1489474886, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level X (300/600) - 2016/02/24 17:20:19 ET
    Table '1489474886 11' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 1: biga_moraes (7635 in chips)
    Seat 2: Money MaikeB (8990 in chips)
    Seat 3: morris308 (38101 in chips)
    Seat 4: dyna140 (22778 in chips)
    Seat 6: monmons (17325 in chips)
    Seat 7: wow.GhosT (5028 in chips)
    Seat 8: cebezet (5514 in chips)
    Seat 9: kimchisama (11152 in chips)
    biga_moraes: posts the ante 50
    Money MaikeB: posts the ante 50
    morris308: posts the ante 50
    dyna140: posts the ante 50
    monmons: posts the ante 50
    wow.GhosT: posts the ante 50
    cebezet: posts the ante 50
    kimchisama: posts the ante 50
    monmons: posts small blind 300
    wow.GhosT: posts big blind 600
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to dyna140 [4h Qd]
    cebezet: folds
    kimchisama: folds
    biga_moraes: folds
    Money MaikeB: folds
    morris308: folds
    dyna140: folds
    monmons: folds
    Uncalled bet (300) returned to wow.GhosT
    wow.GhosT collected 1000 from pot
    wow.GhosT: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 1000 | Rake 0
    Seat 1: biga_moraes folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: Money MaikeB folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: morris308 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: dyna140 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: monmons (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 7: wow.GhosT (big blind) collected (1000)
    Seat 8: cebezet folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: kimchisama folded before Flop (didn't bet)


    Poland players monmons, wow.ghost and cebezet. All those 3 are right next to each other. Here i fold and let see if a shorter stack poland player will take the pot down. Big stack monmons in the SB vs short stack wow.ghost in the BB. What happens here? Obviously poland player monmons gives a walk to wow.ghost in the BB since wow.ghost needs chips. He shoves any 2 cards against a nonpole here and thats a fact.




    *********** # 56 **************
    PokerStars Hand #149361933246: Tournament #1489474886, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level X (300/600) - 2016/02/24 17:20:33 ET
    Table '1489474886 11' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
    Seat 1: biga_moraes (7585 in chips)
    Seat 2: Money MaikeB (8940 in chips)
    Seat 3: morris308 (38051 in chips)
    Seat 4: dyna140 (22728 in chips)
    Seat 6: monmons (16975 in chips)
    Seat 7: wow.GhosT (5678 in chips)
    Seat 8: cebezet (5464 in chips)
    Seat 9: kimchisama (11102 in chips)
    biga_moraes: posts the ante 50
    Money MaikeB: posts the ante 50
    morris308: posts the ante 50
    dyna140: posts the ante 50
    monmons: posts the ante 50
    wow.GhosT: posts the ante 50
    cebezet: posts the ante 50
    kimchisama: posts the ante 50
    wow.GhosT: posts small blind 300
    cebezet: posts big blind 600
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to dyna140 [Kh 5c]
    kimchisama: folds
    biga_moraes: folds
    Money MaikeB: folds
    morris308: folds
    dyna140: folds
    monmons: folds
    wow.GhosT: folds
    Uncalled bet (300) returned to cebezet
    cebezet collected 1000 from pot
    cebezet: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 1000 | Rake 0
    Seat 1: biga_moraes folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: Money MaikeB folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: morris308 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: dyna140 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: monmons (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: wow.GhosT (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 8: cebezet (big blind) collected (1000)
    Seat 9: kimchisama folded before Flop (didn't bet)


    I fold with 3 poland players left to act. As expected big stack poland player monmons folds in the button since the 2 players in the blinds are poland players and both shorter stacks. This hand happened immediately after the one above where Monmons gave a walk in the SB to his fellow poland player wow.ghost shorter stack in the BB. Yet here gives another walk? This is a poland player that would be autoshoving almost every time it folds to him in the SB. Then magically 2 hands in a row when its folded to him in SB vs BB shorter stack pole and right after it fold to him on button against 2 shorter stack poland players, folds again.






    .PokerStars Hand #143222475324: Tournament #1368311547, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2015/11/02 16:16:03 CT [2015/11/02 17:16:03 ET]
    Table '1368311547 17' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
    Seat 1: MrChallenger (5988 in chips)
    Seat 2: skót (2422 in chips)
    Seat 3: korshun977 (7082 in chips)
    Seat 4: dyna140 (340 in chips)
    Seat 5: Cliff_We (2844 in chips)
    Seat 6: Natiq339 (704 in chips) is sitting out
    Seat 7: Crim44 (5434 in chips)
    Seat 8: Ptaaak (3265 in chips)
    Seat 9: bigsiippii (4403 in chips)
    MrChallenger: posts the ante 20
    skót: posts the ante 20
    korshun977: posts the ante 20
    dyna140: posts the ante 20
    Cliff_We: posts the ante 20
    Natiq339: posts the ante 20
    Crim44: posts the ante 20
    Ptaaak: posts the ante 20
    bigsiippii: posts the ante 20
    Crim44: posts small blind 100
    Ptaaak: posts big blind 200
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to dyna140 [Ks Jc]
    bigsiippii: folds
    MrChallenger: folds
    skót: folds
    korshun977: folds
    dyna140: folds
    Cliff_We: folds
    Natiq339: folds
    Crim44: raises 220 to 420
    Ptaaak: calls 220
    *** FLOP *** [5h 3c 5c]
    Crim44: checks
    Ptaaak: checks
    *** TURN *** [5h 3c 5c] [Kc]
    Crim44: checks
    Ptaaak: bets 510
    Crim44: folds
    Uncalled bet (510) returned to Ptaaak
    Ptaaak collected 1020 from pot
    Ptaaak: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 1020 | Rake 0
    Board [5h 3c 5c Kc]
    Seat 1: MrChallenger folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: skót folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: korshun977 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: dyna140 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: Cliff_We folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: Natiq339 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: Crim44 (small blind) folded on the Turn
    Seat 8: Ptaaak (big blind) collected (1020)
    Seat 9: bigsiippii folded before Flop (didn't bet)


    Here again are 2 fellow poland players crim44 and ptaak. Here we see every form of cheating there is. First off its SB vs BB. Crim44 is the big stack here. Crim44 raises. W First off by them playing a raised pot with each other, it shows that hey these 2 guys went against once another which is basically the Polish Cover play so it looks like they are playing pots against one another. So crim44 raises of course Ptaak flat calls the raise. I already know Ptaak is going to take down the pot since he has less chips than crim44. So on the flop what happens? Check, check. Does that ring a bell? Look at hands before this. Its the same thing. Both of these players are aggressive on the flop when checked to. Yet here both players check, check? Well theres a reason for this. Its because then it looks like they play farther than the flop and got to the turn.


    On the turn... crim44 checks and ptaak bets. 2 things are going to happen here. Either crim44 folds or he calls. Then on the river it would go crim44 check a and ptaak of course bets then crim44 folds that way no one know both of their hole cards. So here there is chip balancing by crim44 to fellow pole Ptaak.






    PokerStars Hand #140922968877: Tournament #1324983455, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2015/09/16 14:39:50 CT [2015/09/16 15:39:50 ET]
    Table '1324983455 8' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
    Seat 1: S3d3m2 (3282 in chips)
    Seat 2: dany131313 (1330 in chips)
    Seat 3: el mantisimo (1386 in chips)
    Seat 4: barnanag (3802 in chips)
    Seat 5: Armani123333 (4552 in chips)
    Seat 6: MikiDave (3942 in chips)
    Seat 7: dyna140 (4065 in chips)
    Seat 8: VanVicta (2406 in chips)
    Seat 9: herbick (5235 in chips)
    S3d3m2: posts the ante 15
    dany131313: posts the ante 15
    el mantisimo: posts the ante 15
    barnanag: posts the ante 15
    Armani123333: posts the ante 15
    MikiDave: posts the ante 15
    dyna140: posts the ante 15
    VanVicta: posts the ante 15
    herbick: posts the ante 15
    barnanag: posts small blind 75
    Armani123333: posts big blind 150
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to dyna140 [7h 5h]
    MikiDave: folds
    dyna140: folds
    VanVicta: raises 150 to 300
    herbick: folds
    S3d3m2: folds
    dany131313: raises 1015 to 1315 and is all-in
    el mantisimo: folds
    barnanag: folds
    Armani123333: folds
    VanVicta: folds
    Uncalled bet (1015) returned to dany131313
    dany131313 collected 960 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 960 | Rake 0
    Seat 1: S3d3m2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: dany131313 collected (960)
    Seat 3: el mantisimo (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: barnanag (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 5: Armani123333 (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 6: MikiDave folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: dyna140 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: VanVicta folded before Flop
    Seat 9: herbick folded before Flop (didn't bet)


    Poland player Vanvicta raises... then fellow poland player dany131313 reshoves all in for not that much. He reshoves for 9BB total. Vanvicta calls other players to a reraise with weaker hands here since other guy is a shortstack. But against a fellow pole, obviously not. He wouldn't fold if the player who reshoved was me or another non-poland player. Also this is very hard to pinpoint unless you carefully look at these players. I noticed dany131313 never rebuys when playing these 3.50 rebuys thus he starts with 1500 chips as oppose to 3000. By them doing this, dany doesn't have to rebuy before the rebuy period is over. Certain poland players never rebuy at the start of a 3.50 rebuy whereas a few do rebuy to start at 3000. By starting with 1500, they want to minimize their buyin amount but here... dany131313 doesn't need to rebuy before the rebuy period is over and by reshoving and Vanvicta folding, well you have equal stacks. If someone else called the reshove there by dany131313, i wouldn't be surprised if Vanvicta called there so it would be 2 poland players against 1 for an all in. But since no one reshoved... he folds.





    PokerStars Hand #146651555792: Tournament #1436182778, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (1250/2500) - 2016/01/07 18:21:52 ET
    Table '1436182778 15' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 1: tautrimas (43881 in chips)
    Seat 2: KRAMPUSZ1 (45576 in chips)
    Seat 3: Natala_92 (101134 in chips)
    Seat 4: RioYuehLee (65322 in chips)
    Seat 5: dyna140 (40934 in chips)
    Seat 6: Crim44 (31391 in chips)
    Seat 7: Dracojl (21347 in chips)
    Seat 8: Zombeeee (58635 in chips)
    Seat 9: gilllmeddd (28567 in chips)
    tautrimas: posts the ante 250
    KRAMPUSZ1: posts the ante 250
    Natala_92: posts the ante 250
    RioYuehLee: posts the ante 250
    dyna140: posts the ante 250
    Crim44: posts the ante 250
    Dracojl: posts the ante 250
    Zombeeee: posts the ante 250
    gilllmeddd: posts the ante 250
    dyna140: posts small blind 1250
    Crim44: posts big blind 2500
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to dyna140 [8h Qs]
    Dracojl: folds
    Zombeeee: folds
    gilllmeddd: folds
    tautrimas: folds
    KRAMPUSZ1: folds
    Natala_92: raises 3000 to 5500
    RioYuehLee: folds
    dyna140: folds
    Crim44: raises 25641 to 31141 and is all-in
    Natala_92: folds
    Uncalled bet (25641) returned to Crim44
    Crim44 collected 14500 from pot
    Crim44: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 14500 | Rake 0
    Seat 1: tautrimas folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: KRAMPUSZ1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: Natala_92 folded before Flop
    Seat 4: RioYuehLee (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: dyna140 (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 6: Crim44 (big blind) collected (14500)
    Seat 7: Dracojl folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: Zombeeee folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: gilllmeddd folded before Flop (didn't bet)


    Poland player natala_92 has a big stack with 40bb. Raises fellow poland player crim44 in the bb who is shortstack with around 12bb. As expected, crim44 reshoves all in. And of course natala_92 folds. Natala_92 is giving chips to a fellow poland player who needs chips. Also natala_92 has repeatedly played very hard against every non-polish player just like many Polish players. Yet here folds the reraise all in when crim44. There has been countless times where the initial poland raiser would raise... then a fellow shortstack poland player would go all in for 6-7BB total... then initial poland raiser with big stack folds getting huge pot odds to chip balance to a shorter poland player who needs chips. This is pretty much their standard play. Fellow poland player open raises, shortstack poland player reraises all in... then initial poland player folds. There are obviously many different forms like the ziomstefan method where he as big stack would call an open raise from a shorter stack fellow pole... then check fold on the flop or turn to chipbalance to shorter Polish stack. And he does not call raises much at all against nonpolish players.

  16. #16
    7. Tag Team


    When multiple poland players are in a pot against a nonpole. Usually this is 2 on 1. Basically the poland players will play very strangely where they would call out of position with weak hands just to get the nonpoland player out of the pot. If a nonpole bets, 2 things will happen. Either both poland players call or both fold. They will try to get the nonpole player out of the pot. They will limp horrible hands in the sb as well if a fellow pole is in the pot. If no poland player is there, they won't be calling very weak hands. They time bank a lot when 2 or more poland players in a pot and play very different than when by themselves. They do things like limping trying to project a monster as an alternative to raising to switch things up.




    PokerStars Hand #146026146961: Tournament #1422961429, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXIV (6000/12000) - 2015/12/27 16:52:37 ET
    Table '1422961429 16' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
    Seat 2: mirkow53 (165772 in chips)
    Seat 3: MUSATHI1 (268563 in chips)
    Seat 7: dyna140 (402730 in chips)
    Seat 9: Viégas (30935 in chips)
    mirkow53: posts the ante 1200
    MUSATHI1: posts the ante 1200
    dyna140: posts the ante 1200
    Viégas: posts the ante 1200
    mirkow53: posts small blind 6000
    MUSATHI1: posts big blind 12000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to dyna140 [xx]
    dyna140: raises 12000 to 24000
    Viégas: folds
    mirkow53: calls 18000
    MUSATHI1: calls 12000
    *** FLOP *** [Ac Qs Kh]
    mirkow53: checks
    MUSATHI1: checks
    dyna140: checks
    *** TURN *** [Ac Qs Kh] [5d]
    mirkow53: bets 24000
    MUSATHI1: calls 24000
    dyna140: raises 353530 to 377530 and is all-in
    mirkow53: folds
    MUSATHI1: folds
    Uncalled bet (353530) returned to dyna140
    dyna140 collected 148800 from pot
    dyna140: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 148800 | Rake 0
    Board [Ac Qs Kh 5d]
    Seat 2: mirkow53 (small blind) folded on the Turn
    Seat 3: MUSATHI1 (big blind) folded on the Turn
    Seat 7: dyna140 collected (148800)
    Seat 9: Viégas (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)


    Me vs 2 poland players. I check back flop after both poland players check. If I bet here, 2 things will happen. Either both call or both fold. There will be no 1 caller and 1 fold. There is a very good reason for my check here. On the turn as expected, first poland player bets. And obviously Musathi1 the other poland player flat calls. His hand is pretty much never strong yet he calls here when im still left to act? Of course since if he calls, then i fold, chips will be won by a poland player. If the SB was not polish, he might not even call preflop. If he did, he will not call the flop bet by the SB but since SB is polish, calling is best. Raising is dangerous in case i was trapping. I shove all in here and see if i get the response i expected and i got exactly that. Whats the exact response that I got on this and interesting about this? Mirkow63 the SB took his entire time bank then folded. Coincidence? Then once mirkow63 folds... fellow poland player musathi1 folds pretty quickly since no point of timebanking. Thats not a surprise since theres no point of timebanking in a decision when your fellow poland player folded.





    PokerStars Hand #147788777661: Tournament #1458496282, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (600/1200) - 2016/01/27 17:10:02 ET
    Table '1458496282 7' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
    Seat 1: MUSATHI1 (25248 in chips)
    Seat 2: alencarfu (13763 in chips)
    Seat 3: dyna140 (17618 in chips)
    Seat 4: Dali25 (6022 in chips)
    Seat 5: heki55 (41834 in chips)
    Seat 7: antekk1337 (18665 in chips)
    Seat 8: THE__D__RY (27665 in chips)
    Seat 9: cvarney1 (4902 in chips)
    MUSATHI1: posts the ante 125
    alencarfu: posts the ante 125
    dyna140: posts the ante 125
    Dali25: posts the ante 125
    heki55: posts the ante 125
    antekk1337: posts the ante 125
    THE__D__RY: posts the ante 125
    cvarney1: posts the ante 125
    MUSATHI1: posts small blind 600
    alencarfu: posts big blind 1200
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to dyna140 [Jc 5d]
    dyna140: folds
    Dali25: folds
    heki55: folds
    antekk1337: calls 1200
    THE__D__RY: folds
    cvarney1 is disconnected
    cvarney1 is connected
    cvarney1: folds
    MUSATHI1: calls 600
    alencarfu: checks
    *** FLOP *** [Jh 2s 7c]
    MUSATHI1: checks
    alencarfu: checks
    antekk1337: checks
    *** TURN *** [Jh 2s 7c] [Ks]
    MUSATHI1: checks
    alencarfu: checks
    antekk1337: bets 2760
    MUSATHI1: calls 2760
    alencarfu: folds
    *** RIVER *** [Jh 2s 7c Ks] [Ah]
    MUSATHI1: checks
    antekk1337: checks
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    MUSATHI1: shows [4d Js] (a pair of Jacks)
    antekk1337: shows [Tc Kd] (a pair of Kings)
    antekk1337 collected 10120 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 10120 | Rake 0
    Board [Jh 2s 7c Ks Ah]
    Seat 1: MUSATHI1 (small blind) showed [4d Js] and lost with a pair of Jacks
    Seat 2: alencarfu (big blind) folded on the Turn
    Seat 3: dyna140 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: Dali25 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: heki55 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: antekk1337 showed [Tc Kd] and won (10120) with a pair of Kings
    Seat 8: THE__D__RY folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: cvarney1 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)


    Poland player antekk1337 decides to limp. Note he rarely does this but does this only when a poland player is in the blinds and a nonpoland reg is in the blinds. Basically you can see poland players suddenly play a bit weird when there are fellow poland players left to act. He is also aware of this thread as well by his chat. And this was a poland player that I did not chat with before. Coincidence? Nope. This play is basically limping to make it look like a monster. Now it folds to MUSATHI1, the same poland player in previous hh. He decides to complete the SB.


    Now look at the flop. They all check. Then on the turn... its checked to antekk1337. He bets here. And musathi1 decides to flat call the turn bet out of position with another player in the BB? Of course since that would make it look very strong to get the nonpoland player out of the way. nonpoland player folds. On the river... it goes check, check. Anteek1337 had top pair and takes it down and didn't bet because well the Ace was a bad river card. However, the fact musathi1 limped in the SB with J4offsuit is pretty much telling. He doesnt play like this if the original limper was non-polish. He doesn't limp in the SB with this small of a stack if the other player is not polish and would fold J4o quickly. Then he decides to call turn oop with 2nd pair? He folds J4o if the original limper wasn't polish. He wouldn't even get to the flop since he doesnt play j4o in the SB. A very important thing to know here is anteek doesn't ever open limp K10o in late position. He only did this to try since another poland player was in the blinds and another reg was there that was nonpolish. 2 on 1. The nonpoland BB has little chance unless he flops a monster. So why didn't he just raise? Because if he raises then another player reraises him, he will probably fold. By limping here, it projects a monster. And also fellow poland player in the SB Musathi1 will obviously limp in the SB with 17BB with garbage so its 2 on 1. Their plan worked here as a Poland player won the pot. Look at this. Musathi1 isn't going to call preflop even if Anteek isn't in the pot. Yet here decides okay im going to call Out of position with someone left to act with 2nd pair? He has done a lot of suspicious plays similar to vronx93 and soniac108.

  17. #17
    8. Strange Plays



    These are very strange plays that the poland players that is not standard as compared to when they are by themselves. Playing a certain way against tight or loose players is standard. Playing a certain way against your fellow poland comrades is collusion. A lot of the plays here is not what poland players do when by themselves in the table.



    PokerStars Hand #143175239359: Tournament #1367282875, $7.34+$0.66 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIX (2500/5000) - 2015/11/01 17:49:44 CT [2015/11/01 18:49:44 ET]
    Table '1367282875 3' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 1: ekremsevinc1 (96691 in chips)
    Seat 2: dyna140 (54791 in chips)
    Seat 4: kix111 (60128 in chips)
    Seat 5: KronoPP (2040 in chips)
    Seat 6: mowiejakjest (37954 in chips)
    Seat 7: Szopen1594 (18396 in chips)
    ekremsevinc1: posts the ante 500
    dyna140: posts the ante 500
    kix111: posts the ante 500
    KronoPP: posts the ante 500
    mowiejakjest: posts the ante 500
    Szopen1594: posts the ante 500
    kix111: posts small blind 2500
    KronoPP: posts big blind 1540 and is all-in
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to dyna140 [9s 5d]
    mowiejakjest: calls 5000
    Szopen1594: raises 12896 to 17896 and is all-in
    ekremsevinc1: folds
    dyna140: folds
    kix111: folds
    mowiejakjest: calls 12896
    *** FLOP *** [8s 4d As]
    *** TURN *** [8s 4d As] [3d]
    *** RIVER *** [8s 4d As 3d] [Qs]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    mowiejakjest: shows [Ah Qd] (two pair, Aces and Queens)
    Szopen1594: shows [6c 6s] (a pair of Sixes)
    mowiejakjest collected 33672 from side pot
    KronoPP: shows [Th 9d] (high card Ace)
    mowiejakjest collected 9160 from main pot
    Szopen1594 finished the tournament in 5th place and received $76.62.
    KronoPP finished the tournament in 6th place and received $56.81.
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 42832 Main pot 9160. Side pot 33672. | Rake 0
    Board [8s 4d As 3d Qs]
    Seat 1: ekremsevinc1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: dyna140 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: kix111 (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 5: KronoPP (big blind) showed [Th 9d] and lost with high card Ace
    Seat 6: mowiejakjest showed [Ah Qd] and won (42832) with two pair, Aces and Queens
    Seat 7: Szopen1594 showed [6c 6s] and lost with a pair of Sixes


    Poland players mowiejakjest and szopen1594 at the table. szopen1594 like his fellow poland players already know about my 2p2 thread in the chat.


    Here, why is mowiejakjest just limping with AQo here with 8BB and not shoving like he always does? Then his fellow poland friend szopen1594 then goes all in? There is a very good reason for this. By mowiejakjest open limping, and another poland player shoving, it makes it look much stronger than mowiejakjest shoving all in and his fellow poland player szopen1594 going all in.


    Let me ask you a question. How many times have you seen a player open shove all in then another player goes all in as well. Then another player then goes all. Plenty of times right? Now look at this. Mowiejakjest open limps with 8BB with AQo. This is a shove 100 percent of the time based on his play and pretty much everyone's play. He only does stuff like this when a fellow pole is at the table. So by open limping, then poland player szopen1594 can shove all in. So the remaining players behind them... the options are not just CALL OR FOLD. Options are FOLD, COLD AND RAISE. So most players would make the mistaking of folding this way a lot more than if both players open shove.


    By them open limping, then szopen1594 open shoving... it looks a lot stronger then both shoving all in. That way they can get other players to fold b/c it looks so much stronger. Of course Mowiejakjest calls the all in and its 2 poland players against one and one of them wins. If you don't see the cheating issue here by mowiejakjest just open limping 8bb with AQo then allowing his friend to shove over them to make it look very strong to other players but its mainly to get others to fold so they take down the blinds and antes. Its basically a way to increase the chance the blinds and antes will be won by a poland player.. He never limps here. But by doing this, it makes it look much stronger. Primary reason is so a nonpoland player won't call so it wouldn't be 2 on 2.





    PokerStars Hand #143322602485: Tournament #1370312682, $7.34+$0.66 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level X (300/600) - 2015/11/04 16:34:41 ET
    Table '1370312682 19' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
    Seat 1: Wolginho (3954 in chips)
    Seat 2: VanVicta (632 in chips)
    Seat 3: mowiejakjest (8066 in chips)
    Seat 4: Ollin723 (4629 in chips)
    Seat 5: Leviathan74 (15676 in chips)
    Seat 6: dyna140 (2989 in chips)
    Seat 7: Jaybles91 (6798 in chips)
    Seat 9: realgeo (11010 in chips)
    Wolginho: posts the ante 50
    VanVicta: posts the ante 50
    mowiejakjest: posts the ante 50
    Ollin723: posts the ante 50
    Leviathan74: posts the ante 50
    dyna140: posts the ante 50
    Jaybles91: posts the ante 50
    realgeo: posts the ante 50
    Wolginho: posts small blind 300
    VanVicta: posts big blind 582 and is all-in
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to dyna140 [5c 7h]
    mowiejakjest: calls 600
    Ollin723: folds
    Leviathan74: folds
    dyna140: folds
    Jaybles91: raises 6148 to 6748 and is all-in
    realgeo: folds
    Wolginho: folds
    mowiejakjest: folds
    Uncalled bet (6148) returned to Jaybles91
    *** FLOP *** [4d 3h Kh]
    *** TURN *** [4d 3h Kh] [2d]
    *** RIVER *** [4d 3h Kh 2d] [Tc]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Jaybles91: shows [Qd Qc] (a pair of Queens)
    Jaybles91 collected 36 from side pot
    VanVicta: shows [Kc Jc] (a pair of Kings)
    VanVicta collected 2446 from main pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 2482 Main pot 2446. Side pot 36. | Rake 0
    Board [4d 3h Kh 2d Tc]
    Seat 1: Wolginho (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 2: VanVicta (big blind) showed [Kc Jc] and won (2446) with a pair of Kings
    Seat 3: mowiejakjest folded before Flop
    Seat 4: Ollin723 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: Leviathan74 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: dyna140 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: Jaybles91 showed [Qd Qc] and won (36) with a pair of Queens
    Seat 9: realgeo (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)


    Poland player mowiejakjest at it again. Yes another poland tight player limps utg. Why would he ever do this? Unless he has a monster, he isn't doing this. These poland players play very strange when another poland player is at the table. But there is a very good reason for this. Look who is in the SB/BB. Both polish players. Basically mowiejakjest had a hand that isn't that strong but isn't that weak. He didn't want to raise to allow someone to reraise him. By limping here, it looks very strong that way everyone will fold then one of the poland players whether him, the sb wolginho or the BB vanvicta who is all in already will win the pot. Look at the previous he limped UTG with AQo with 8BB in the late stages of a 180 man? Then vanvicta then shoves all in? Reason for his limping was by doing that, then vanvicta shoving all in, it looks a lot stronger than him going all in with AQo with 88 and vanvicta shoving all in? Well look who is in the BB now... his poland buddy vanvicta.


    If no poland player was at the table, mowiejakjest would shove all in in the first hand. In the second hand he would fold. But of course here, he limps because this increases the chances other nonpoland players will fold and if they get involved it will be 2 poland players vs 1 nonpole.

  18. #18
    9. 2p2 Accounts Created Same Day/Posted Same Time



    Timing Evidence on 2p2 Forum.




    I went to the 2 plus 2 poker forums and apparently a lot of regulars are having a competition in these 180 mans. I then noticed this thread

    http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/61...ition-1559069/


    It has people that want to join in a contest for these 180 mans. Then when i took a look at the thread... look at post 56 and post 57 if you scroll down.


    I just posted the direct link to each of these posts. Notice how Poland player Browarfans posted he's in. Yet 1 minute later... Szopen1594 posted he's in. They both registered 2p2 accounts immediately right after another on the same day pretty much the same time. So basically these 2 players accts on 2 plus 2 were created then they each post right after one another they are both in the contest. So its obvious they know each other and speak to each other otherwise there is no way possible one would post immediately right after the other poland player. And Szopen1594 is a polish player who i noted as softplaying a lot along with Browarfans. Browarfans and Hand72o in the previous hands in the 3 handed part where i posted hand histories was softplaying earlier. So basically Browarfans tells szopen on skype to join the contest if you look at the timetable of those posts. And guess what none of them have logged back onto their account on the forum. And they posted within 1 minute after each other. Also look at how both of them posted I'm in. They both posted it same way. Who leaves a space right before a colon and right after a colon? Both do.


    Im in : BrowarFans

    Im in : Szopen1594


    http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...6&postcount=56

    http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...2&postcount=57


    If I seen poland players playing non-poles similar to everyone else, I wouldn't be posting these hand histories. I play pretty close to their actions and its nothing more than a disgrace.


    I know for a fact Poland players speak about me because i had called them out in chat. And thus they all speak about me and then thus play hard against me and tell other fellow poles to do the same which is pretty much collusion. Next time you play a 180 man notice how no poland players play hard against one another but will do so against non-poland players.


    The only way to solve this issue is to not allow more than any pooland players to play satellites and 180 mans. That way there won't be any funny business going on. Segregation would be best where they shouldn't be allowed to play these at all since they are very clever with their softplaying and colliding since most people wouldn't pick up on it. That way they will have to play one another which they would never do at these 180 mans unless they have to or it benefits them. I recalled many years ago there was that Double or nothing collusion ring where players got caught and balances confiscated. Their play here is pretty much collusion.


    Also another important thing i noticed was Poland players when they are by themselves and aren't 2 or 3 or more poland players at the table, they don't raise that much. Why is that? Because they don't have protection.

  19. #19
    10. Related Accounts and Similar username/stats/play




    An email from a while back


    There ended up being five unique pairings from that list that had some sort of relationship together other than both players being from Poland:


    'dabek9191' and 'soniac108'

    'c0nscience' and 'Szopen1594'

    'VanVicta' and 'Szopen1594'

    'VanVicta' and 'ZiomStefan'

    szymek1908' and 'ZiomStefan'




    With regard to the other two players(golfik16 & camilloskate) and their respective avatars: it is worth noting that they are in fact different now(although look WoWish too despite never having played the game). Those players are in fact related though so will have someone do a specific review into any shared play between them.


    Before i mention any of this. There was a hand where i was all in with 2 poland players preflop. One of the players by accident typed out you should have folded. This was due to a hand where one poland player raised, i shoved all in, then the other poland player went all in as well... action went back to original poland player. He took a bit and called with a hand that is pretty weak if 2 players go all in so obviously we know why he made the call. Well after that, they both rebought but one of them typed you should have folded. What does that mean? Well by accident he meant to type that in skype but it was on the stars chat.


    Let's put it this way. If you are told these players are indeed related and not only because they are all from Poland, do you think they are playing 100% honest when shorthanded? Because they might have went all in a few times against one another when with 5bb... is that enough to say... okay because of those few hands they went all in against each other with 6bb... then its not softplaying? Such that okay both went all in with 5bb when one had 88 and the other had AK


    There are numerous poland players who have very similar usernames. Most of them look exactly the besides a few letters or so. Also look at their stats. All these poland players play very similar. The very nitty ones play like 13/11/1 and a few play a bit tag but still tight. But theres a huge similarity between all these poland players. Their aggression is very low. Why is that? Well most of the time when you are not put on a table with poland players, then then have to play face up.


    The head of security told me the reason why so many poland players have similar username and avatar is because they play a video game called wow and are the same clan. Yes you heard what i said. I mean, so basically a lot of the account have the same avatar because of that? Also mentioning how poland is getting big in poland is no excuse for a reason for helping their fellow comrades.


    Also i noticed a very interesting thing about their play. In the 3.50 rebuys, almost all the poland regs never rebuy besides a select few. Coincidence? Also whether they have 1500 chips or 3000 chips, they seem to always 3x the BB even when 50bb deep. Are they playing from the same handbook that they learned from? You would figure some raise smaller than that right? But nope.


    Also here is something that is straight up collusion. If a shortstack poland player shoves all in for say 5bb-10bb. If another poland player has a big hand like aa, kk, qq, jj or 1010, he would just flat call. There's nothing wrong with that right? Well there is a huge problem with this. When a nonpole shoves all in for 5bb-10bb, the poland player with aa kk qq jj 1010 would just reshove all in and isolate. Why is this a problem? Because if the poland player calls the all in shove from short stack poland player, then it could get a nonpole in the pot where it would be 2 poles vs 1 nonpole. But if it was a nonpole that shoved, they would reraise those hands along with aq etc to isolate and protect. But against a poland player, even if everyone elses, well chips will be won by a poland player. So even if the shortstack wins against their aa, kk, qq or aq etc... its still fine because chips are won by a poland player.


    Another important strategy that i noticed poland players use and they recently made all these changes. Many players with 8bb normally would just shove all in.Well guess what they do now, I notice one fellow poland player do this szopen1954... instead of shoving 8bb, he would min raise and then almost always call the shove. Usually he did this with hands like j8 or a3 etc. I wondered why didnt he just shove instead with 8bb. Well reason is by doing that, it looks very strong as oppose to shoving. But its nothing more than projecting a monster by min raising instead of shoving 8bb all in. Theres nothing wrong with this right? Until i notice other poland players all started doing this around the same time. Players like vanvicta started to do this and he is confirmed to be related to scopen1594 by stars. But does this look suspicious to stars? Nope, no comment on this.

  20. #20
    11. Other Players Comments


    Here is what others commented on this with the poland players playing satellites and 180 mans


    -Its very difficult to get anyone banned for collusion at pokerstars because of their idea of how they identify it.
    The response you will usually always get after the review is a sample of 4 or 5 hands where their clashed all in, usually where 1 of the players had something stupid like 3 big blinds and they had to call, and because of this all collusion is ruled out.


    -I like the idea of limiting players who know each other in sats, its the only way to make a fair game.
    Right now, sats average under 100 players, with around 20% of the field all knowing each other in person/on skype.Id like to know how all other players in these games, especially rec players would feel about this if they knew these facts.


    -It's funny that you posted itt... I recently emailed Stars and chose you as an example. What I proposed was for them to count how many examples you and I both got it all in against one another post add on over my last 500 sats... and then asked them to count how many times the entire Lithuanian player pool who were at my table got it all in against one another.

    The math, if all is legit, should show that they'd be KOing/crippling one another probably 100's of times more often then you and I koing/crippling one another but I have yet to receive a response and if they were to check this type of analysis the proof of collusion would be undeniable even to them.

    Obviously I multitable but I am not lying when I say I don't recall seeing a single time where they got it all in and if they did where the shorter stack has a worse hand. The methods that the OP is talking about is precisely what Lithuanians and to a lesser extent Poles do everyday


    -he pot controlled to let his pole not lose too much chips - easy.
    This is related to the AA vs KQ hand 3 handed where hand72o refused to bet the turn against fellow poland player browarfans since they wanted to keep it 2 on 1.


    -rahterb anning specific accounts and/or let players who are new not directly playing those stakes from poland.

    I agree that there's a very high chance that some of them are colluding... all of them? No... and that's what makes it hard to determine who's guilty and who's not.

    The stealing the blinds of fellow Countrymen is what occurs the most with the Lithuanians in the sats... and there are a lot of Poles in those games about 4 months ago. I think they left due to the competition from the Lithuanians.

    The 3x satellites I'm referring to on Stars. Look at the various lobbies by "flag" and you will clearly see that Poles either all play or none play certain 3x sats. Same goes with Lithuanians who all take Fridays off for some reason.

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