Yeah so those armed honkeys who took over the Oregon refuge? Not guilty across the board.

[sonatine]

https://boingboing.net/2016/10/27/becausewhiteness.html

Luckily this isnt a period in history where encouraging white separatist extremists poses any sort of real problem for anyone.

[gauchojake]

I think the more disturbing thing is the amount of white people who hate the fact that they are white. That article is cringe-worthy and those tweets...Embarrassing.

[sonatine]

they were everything awful everyone has ever accused the white race of being. if they were black, or arab, or american indian, i mean, we would bring back the fucking gallows.

[GrenadaRoger]

Not so fast there Roscoe.

This was only the first round of trials...others will go to trial in February 2017;

this charge was for conspiracy to prevent Bureau of Land Management and U.S. Fish and Wildlife employees from doing their jobs at the wildlife refuge in Harney County...and the trial decided on the government not proving the existence of a conspiracy, not that the refuge wasn't occupied nor that there wasn't a conspiracy, rather that the government had not proved its case (the legal loophole used by OJ Simpson jury)

there are other charges pending....also some of the protesters had already pleaded guilty to other charges


so Sonatine, you win the first Golden Bullshit award, to be given periodically to a poster that suppresses information/tells only part of the truth in an attempt to mislead others at this site to his agenda. Note, while you are the first recipient, there are others deserving of recognition for deceptions committed prior to the origin of this award (chiefly Rabbi Witteles)



congratulations, and continued success inciting the guillible

[sonatine]

Not so fast there Roscoe.

This was only the first round of trials...others will go to trial in February 2017;

this charge was for conspiracy to prevent Bureau of Land Management and U.S. Fish and Wildlife employees from doing their jobs at the wildlife refuge in Harney County...and the trial decided on the government not proving the existence of a conspiracy, not that the refuge wasn't occupied nor that there wasn't a conspiracy, only the government had not proved its case (kind of OJ Simpson like thinking)

there are other charges pending....also some of the protesters had already pleaded guilty to other charges


so Sonatine, you win the first Golden Bullshit award, given periodically to a poster that suppresses information/tells only part of the truth in an attempt to mislead others at this site to his agenda. Note, while you are the first recipient, there are others deserving of recognition for deceptions committed prior to the origin of this award (chiefly Rabbi Witteles)



congratulations, and continued success inciting the guillible

So it didnt even occur to you that I was just wrong?

[GrenadaRoger]

Not so fast there Roscoe.

This was only the first round of trials...others will go to trial in February 2017;

this charge was for conspiracy to prevent Bureau of Land Management and U.S. Fish and Wildlife employees from doing their jobs at the wildlife refuge in Harney County...and the trial decided on the government not proving the existence of a conspiracy, not that the refuge wasn't occupied nor that there wasn't a conspiracy, only the government had not proved its case (kind of OJ Simpson like thinking)

there are other charges pending....also some of the protesters had already pleaded guilty to other charges


so Sonatine, you win the first Golden Bullshit award, given periodically to a poster that suppresses information/tells only part of the truth in an attempt to mislead others at this site to his agenda. Note, while you are the first recipient, there are others deserving of recognition for deceptions committed prior to the origin of this award (chiefly Rabbi Witteles)



congratulations, and continued success inciting the guillible

So it didnt even occur to you that I was just wrong?

What? you want another GB award? don't be hog! leave some for the other wanna be demagogues

[sonatine]

Not so fast there Roscoe.

This was only the first round of trials...others will go to trial in February 2017;

this charge was for conspiracy to prevent Bureau of Land Management and U.S. Fish and Wildlife employees from doing their jobs at the wildlife refuge in Harney County...and the trial decided on the government not proving the existence of a conspiracy, not that the refuge wasn't occupied nor that there wasn't a conspiracy, rather that the government had not proved its case (the legal loophole used by OJ Simpson jury)

there are other charges pending....also some of the protesters had already pleaded guilty to other charges


so Sonatine, you win the first Golden Bullshit award, to be given periodically to a poster that suppresses information/tells only part of the truth in an attempt to mislead others at this site to his agenda. Note, while you are the first recipient, there are others deserving of recognition for deceptions committed prior to the origin of this award (chiefly Rabbi Witteles)



congratulations, and continued success inciting the guillible

Everything Im reading indicates you're fundamentally wrong here, eg the most serious charges were dropped and the jury is blaming their personal dislike of the prosecutor for their decision.

[GrenadaRoger]

Not so fast there Roscoe.

This was only the first round of trials...others will go to trial in February 2017;

this charge was for conspiracy to prevent Bureau of Land Management and U.S. Fish and Wildlife employees from doing their jobs at the wildlife refuge in Harney County...and the trial decided on the government not proving the existence of a conspiracy, not that the refuge wasn't occupied nor that there wasn't a conspiracy, rather that the government had not proved its case (the legal loophole used by OJ Simpson jury)

there are other charges pending....also some of the protesters had already pleaded guilty to other charges


so Sonatine, you win the first Golden Bullshit award, to be given periodically to a poster that suppresses information/tells only part of the truth in an attempt to mislead others at this site to his agenda. Note, while you are the first recipient, there are others deserving of recognition for deceptions committed prior to the origin of this award (chiefly Rabbi Witteles)



congratulations, and continued success inciting the guillible

Everything Im reading indicates you're fundamentally wrong here, eg the most serious charges were dropped and the jury is blaming their personal dislike of the prosecutor for their decision.

Here is the article I based my claim on.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/...tandoff-trial/

Ammon and Ryan Bundy have been found not guilty of conspiracy. Their five co-defendants Jeff Banta, Shawna Cox, David Fry, Kenneth Medenbach and Neil Wampler have all been found not guilty as well.

Jurors were unable to reach a verdict on Ryan Bundy’s theft of government property charge.

The jury returned its verdict after some six weeks of testimony followed by less than six hours deliberations, and the last minute replacement of a juror after an allegation surfaced that he was biased.

The charges stem from the 41-day armed occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge near Burns in eastern Oregon’s high desert. The armed protest began Jan. 2 and ended when the final four occupiers surrendered to the FBI on Feb. 11
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Prosecutors initially charged Ammon Bundy, his brother Ryan Bundy, and 24 others with conspiracy to prevent Bureau of Land Management and U.S. Fish and Wildlife employees from doing their jobs at the wildlife refuge in Harney County. Some defendants named in the indictment faced weapons charges for carrying firearms in a federal facility, as well as theft of government property.

Only seven defendants went to trial in September. Others have pleaded guilty or are scheduled to go to trial in February 2017.


Through the government’s case, prosecutors attempted to show the jury evidence about when the alleged conspiracy began, as well as how the occupation unfolded and ultimately ended.

The government relied heavily on testimony from law enforcement, including Harney County Sheriff David Ward, as well as dozens of FBI agents who responded to the occupation or processed evidence at the Malheur refuge after the occupation ended.

“At the end of the day, there is an element of common sense that demonstrates the guilt of these defendants,” Assistant U.S. Attorney Ethan Knight said during his closing arguments during the trial. “These defendants took over a wildlife refuge and it wasn’t theirs.”

Conversely, the defense sought to make its case about a political protest – one about protesting the federal government’s ownership and management of public lands.

“The people have to insist that the government is not our master; they are our servants,” Ryan Bundy said during his closing statement to the jury.
Bundy added the occupation had “nothing to do with impeding and preventing the employees of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.”

The occupation in rural eastern Oregon fueled a long running debate about the role of the federal government when it comes of managing public lands, especially for ranching and other natural resource-based professions.

Throughout the armed protest, occupation leader Ammon Bundy frequently said their goal was to shift the federally-owned land to local control. During presses conferences and interviews, Bundy frequently said he wanted to “get the ranchers back to ranching, get the loggers back to logging and miners back to mining.”

While federal prosecutors worked to keep their case focused on conspiracy, the trial quickly came to symbolize the growing divide between urban and rural America.

“How did any of these people benefit from protesting the death of rural America?” Attorney Matt Schindler, hybrid counsel for defendant Ken Medenbach, said during his closing statements to the jury.

Five of the seven defendants took the stand in their own defense during the trial. Occupation leader Ammon Bundy’s testimony stretched over the course of three days and included stories about growing up on a ranch and his family role in the 2014 armed standoff in Bunkerville, Nevada.

With the first Oregon trial concluded, the Bundy brothers and several other defendants who participated in the Malheur occupation will now travel to Nevada, where they face charges for their roles in the Bunkerville standoff.

I don't believe I made any claim about the jury's motivation underlying their decision, rather I mentioned their technique/loophole of "prosecution not proving their case". That issue aside, the point remains that some protester/occupiers have already pleaded guilty and another trial is still to come for some.