Yeah I listened to it. Starts at like 46:30 mark.

https://datpodcast.libsyn.com/phil-g...ast-episode-46

The first 11 minutes are the best. Some good questions there. After that it goes into a lot of softballing and nothing meaningful is said, except at the 1:17:00 mark where he talks about his lol marketing ideas.

You can tell at the beginning of the interview, he realizes the whole project has gone horribly wrong, but he doesn't seem to want to change course. It's very odd. Combination of optimism, denial, and resignation to failure.