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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Also, they didn't e-mail me.

    I have about 35k on there at the moment. I'm guessing they might be holding back the announcement for those with big balances.

    Since my unfortunate account freezing and reinstatement, when I held almost 52k, I cashed out 9500 and lost 7500.

    I have another cashout pending (from August 5), but we will see how fast that processes.
    How many Bovada points do you have tho? They aren't transferable so you better fire up some mtts or buy some sports tickets otherwise you will be out that money which is probably be more then the fpps we couldn't claim on Pokerstars when Black Friday went down due to Stars making you redeem in I believe it was $10 or $25 increments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Also, they didn't e-mail me.

    I have about 35k on there at the moment. I'm guessing they might be holding back the announcement for those with big balances.

    Since my unfortunate account freezing and reinstatement, when I held almost 52k, I cashed out 9500 and lost 7500.

    I have another cashout pending (from August 5), but we will see how fast that processes.
    You should withdraw to BTC. It takes 48 hours to your BTC wallet and then 1-2 days processing to US bank account (Coinbase, at least). Also, BTC is going to jump in the next 2-3 months but is steady just below 600 now.
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    Rumors have churned for years that Bovada is actually still owned by Ayre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shizzmoney View Post

    I think this has to do more with Quebec passing their internet gaming law, which only allows the state to run gambling skins and sites (espacejeux).
    Final question. I am a moron, so bear with me.

    Why would Bovada or Quebec view the sportsbook and casino in a different light? Isn't the exposure the same?

    Is it that the sportsbook/casino is physically hosted elsewhere?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Rumors have churned for years that Bovada is actually still owned by Ayre.
    Because it is, and so is this new site. Its like the change from Bodog to Bovada all over again, heard same shit then as now lol . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Shizzmoney View Post

    I think this has to do more with Quebec passing their internet gaming law, which only allows the state to run gambling skins and sites (espacejeux).
    Final question. I am a moron, so bear with me.

    Why would Bovada or Quebec view the sportsbook and casino in a different light? Isn't the exposure the same?

    Is it that the sportsbook/casino is physically hosted elsewhere?
    Yes. And it could come down to Canadian state and federal politics: the casino/poker offering is currently legislated by the QC govt; and sports betting by the ENTIRE Canadian govt. I'll explain (warning: this is long and wonky).

    The current laws regarding offshore operators offering internet gambling to Canadian citizens are opaque....but there *is* a difference between poker and sportsbetting in the eyes of the government and the consumer.

    Poker/Casino: Loto Quebec is in the process of running a state run monopoly on online gaming offerings from casino to poker. They want sites like Pokerstars and TonyBet and PartyPoker out and wish to install the Dutch model (i.e. high taxes) for this style of gaming to drive up revenue for the govt. Uncle Patrice over at Loto Quebec wants a piece of that dollar de Canada whenever you play online in the QC jurisdiction. Poker/Casino for the most part is not all that popular online and there is no where near the amount of voter opinion push back on it than there is on sportsbetting (more on this in a sec).

    Bovada is an unregulated competitor of Loto Quebec, in a territory no less where the Quebec govt and the Kahnawake already feud over stuff like this as it is, as Quebec can't just serve a warrant and shut down operations at the Bovada offices in the Kahnawake because a lot like here in the US, the Native Canadian lands get special privileges in terms of taxes and sovereignty (for example: you can get $0.75 gas and $0.50 cigarettes in the Kahnawake lands, and they also have poker rooms which compete with Casinos du Quebec, which are state run). The Quebec govt does NOT like that. Bovada would still like to offer poker to these customers, without interference, as well as have uninterrupted service to the US (and even more enticing, to fence off the US/Canada players from the ROW because they know the US/Canada poker regs like Druff are a negative ROI for their site; even Amaya admitted as such, and they fucking own Pokerstars). They kill two birds with one stone with this pivot, Druff puts that sentiment perfectly with this post.

    There have been rumors that the latest round of lag experienced by ALL user on Bovada's poker sites has actually been driven by ISP's in QC throttling at the (in)direction from the Quebec govt. They want to block Bovada/Bodog as a poker site.

    Sportsbetting: This is different because sportsbetting in Canada, and the companies that offer it, have had way more time to entrench their feet into the legislature as well as to voters. Canada has tried to ban sportsbetting several times under Tory leadership, but have failed because it does not poll well and there no major political will to do so on a Canadian federal level. There are way more people who fancy a bet on the horses or a CFL game than want to play online poker (a comparison would be how DFS has made quick inroads to state legislatures over the last year, and online poker has had its dick in the sand for 10+). They also know that folks in the United States, like in Ohio and Michigan, are more likely to cross the border to place a sports bet in a B&M casino, than to play poker. It actually creates jobs; Ceasars Windsor said that the new sports betting bill alone created 100 jobs, which politically looks good for any government.

    So instead of fighting it every tooth in nail, they passed a bill that allows for a regulated market that could be joined by anyone wishing to submit to proper regulation, as well as make way for state run sports betting (like Quebec's Mise-O-Jeu).

    Bodog, which is "technically" a different company than Bovada, is a legit business in the UK. They just became the sponsor for the Aston Villa FC kits today. Methinks that besides maybe some bookmakers and customer service people (who I know for a fact work from within Kahnawake; I've had a few deal to me at Playground), the sports betting operation is already out of Quebec and the only "operations" left were some servers in Quebec for the poker. And why? A lot like PartyPoker when they left the US market in 2006, Bodog can go to the Canadian government and say, "hey look, we complied, we want to be a part of the legal sports betting market once the Canadian casinos have been vetted and the online boarding process begins." And now legally, when questioned on whether Bodog, Morris Mohawk Gaming Group, and Ignition are the same: bodog can claim ignorance (and according to some 2p2 posters, they called bodog CS and they don't even recognize what bovada is if you ask them) AND the Canadian state can't just go into the Kahnawake area and serve warrants.

    Today was about legal jiu-jitsu and corporate ratfuckery, IMO. Quebec won't step on the Canadian govts toes (their relationship isn't great to begin with) when it comes to this because of the national conversation that has occurred on about sports betting over the last 25 years. Online poker, while we are all 10+ year vets, is still kind of a new thing, and the provinces (like Quebec) can exert more control over that because there isn't as much of a political will to stop them from doing that.

    The potential for provincially regulated sports betting could also change the game for many online operators once Canada develops even more regulations for the offerings. Hell, you can already bet sports on bodog right now in Canada if you want to....so I am sure they've already hedged that bet years ago in terms of moving the operation. Canada, and QC when it comes to sports betting, simply doesn't care because I think they also (correctly) view they can't stop it except at the transaction level, like here in the US.

    With poker, they can, because it requires an actual connection to a server and the state can easily set up a gate keeper with this product moreso than sports betting, which can be done by anybody who has a spreadsheet and knows HTML.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by sah_24 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Rumors have churned for years that Bovada is actually still owned by Ayre.
    Because it is, and so is this new site. Its like the change from Bodog to Bovada all over again, heard same shit then as now lol . . .
    I think that's about right.

    There's nothing in all of this saying that Ignition won't be sharing the Bodog player pool after Sept. 30. It only says that Bovada and Ignition will stop sharing their poker players after that date. The Asian Bodog poker pool is where a lot of the fish come from, so we might still get the benefit of fishy Asian poker players and fishy Asian Casino players who sometimes play poker.

    It could be that Bovada is trying to comply with Canadian laws; but I think that it is just as likely Bovada is trying to comply with some regulations made up by that new crazy anti-gambling Philippine president who is now running the country where Bovada is headquartered.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SantaCruz View Post
    It could be that Bovada is trying to comply with Canadian laws; but I think that it is just as likely Bovada is trying to comply with some regulations made up by that new crazy anti-gambling Philippine president who is now running the country where Bovada is headquartered.
    This is a great point too; as Druff well knows, a good portion of their business is run from there, and that new president in the Philippines is an asshole and I am sure the bovada/bodog conglomerate is just making their their have their asses covered in case some state tries to get gully.
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    Sucks ass that Nevada Delaware and nj are restricted from the new site so it's vpn or sketch ass acr or nada

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dizzle49 View Post
    Sucks ass that Nevada Delaware and nj are restricted from the new site so it's vpn or sketch ass acr or nada
    Well those states have regulated which is so much better right

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    Got this post from the late BGC. Forgot what his crime was.

    The idea that the US Feds were mucking around amused me. His claim that Canadians were unaffected during the attacks was interesting although my limited knowledge leaves me wondering if this was possible.

    Anyway, a voice from the past. My Sheboon memory involves betting NCAA midnight madness into the night with him. Sick times.

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    I think everyone is overstating how much Bovada doesn't want sharks on its site. Every poker ecosystem has had sharks and fish. Fish don't start games etc. Also I believe that Bovada not wanting their sportsbook customers to have access to their poker site is also being overstated. The thought that this was Bovada's decision or a business decision that will somehow make Bovada more money is ludicrous to me

    There was about a week stretch where Bovada went down during prime hours nightly. Everything was screwed up and players were losing their minds. I can't even begin to guess how many Bovada customer service agents quit during that week after being screamed at every other call or even more important to them how many players quit. People surmised that hackers for ransom were responsible for this. People on the Bodog skin playing in Canada were not bothered during these attacks and usually one person from Canada just scooped all the blinds while Americans had to hope for refunds.

    As soon as I saw the switch to Ignition. "Ignite your money" I figured something related to those attacks was the reason. As soon as I noticed that the states with legal poker like Nevada, New Jersey, and Delaware would not be allowed to transfer their money over it became clear, at least in my head.

    The site was hacked nightly by agents of the U.S. trying to get Bovada to force Bovada into submission. This continued to happen because Bovada said fuck you. Eventually Bovada realized the people attacking them were way more sophisticated than their people to combat the attack they came to an agreement.

    Bovada would get to keep their casino and sportsbook open to people form those three states I mentioned if they didn't allow them to play poker any longer. Also people from New York and Maryland would not be allowed to play poker either. I guess we can wait and see if New York and Maryland are the next two states to regulate.

     
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    It's making my head hurt to read the awful thread on 2p2 about this.

    Pages and pages of idiots guessing why certain states will be restricted from Ignition.

    Here, let me help....

    Nevada - Legalized online poker, Ignition doesn't want trouble with them
    Delaware - Legalized online poker
    New Jersey - Legalized online poker
    Maryland - US Attorneys office location which has busted many online poker sites & payment processors
    New York - Same as Maryland, but to an even larger degree

    There you go.

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    ^^^ - same here Druff, I can't read that 2+2 shit.

    So many times a guy posts the same question we saw five posts above that might have been answered in a previous page above. If it hasn't been answered then it's because nobody knows it yet.

    I try to be patient with these fools and not get annoyed but...

    "HEY 2+2 MORONS! READ THE ENTIRE DAMN THREAD BEFORE YOU ASK A QUESTION PLEASE!"

    It's very annoying to read a thread where people come in posting the same questions without reading what others posted in front of them.

    The owners of Ignition are the same people, which is obvious! Lets say for a second they aren't then all I have to say is the rules are posted right on the Bovada FAQ they made in regards to who can move their money to Ignition, the rules, the bonuses,etc...

    It clearly states people who couldn't play because they were in a banned state by Bovada prior can't play on Ignition AND those grandfathered in who could still play from banned states on Bovada can't transfer to Ignition at all.
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    i know of this, but they didnt email me. ive only got $100 left there ($254 if u count pending bitcoin wd). it will hurt me, unless i can somehow change my state? not sure how

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    Quote Originally Posted by sevencard2003 View Post
    i know of this, but they didnt email me. ive only got $100 left there ($254 if u count pending bitcoin wd). it will hurt me, unless i can somehow change my state? not sure how
    Others can correct me on what to do but I think you can change your address to Louisiana and play. I know you have a Louisiana ID. Since you are a nomad, I think you can then play from any of the states not listed above. I can't help you on details to switch your address and what is needed. I know you hate it (talking on the phone) but you might need to call Bovada/Ignite and ask.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post
    Got this post from the late BGC. Forgot what his crime was.

    The idea that the US Feds were mucking around amused me. His claim that Canadians were unaffected during the attacks was interesting although my limited knowledge leaves me wondering if this was possible.

    Anyway, a voice from the past. My Sheboon memory involves betting NCAA midnight madness into the night with him. Sick times.

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    I think everyone is overstating how much Bovada doesn't want sharks on its site. Every poker ecosystem has had sharks and fish. Fish don't start games etc. Also I believe that Bovada not wanting their sportsbook customers to have access to their poker site is also being overstated. The thought that this was Bovada's decision or a business decision that will somehow make Bovada more money is ludicrous to me

    There was about a week stretch where Bovada went down during prime hours nightly. Everything was screwed up and players were losing their minds. I can't even begin to guess how many Bovada customer service agents quit during that week after being screamed at every other call or even more important to them how many players quit. People surmised that hackers for ransom were responsible for this. People on the Bodog skin playing in Canada were not bothered during these attacks and usually one person from Canada just scooped all the blinds while Americans had to hope for refunds.

    As soon as I saw the switch to Ignition. "Ignite your money"I figured something related to those attacks was the reason. As soon as I noticed that the states with legal poker like Nevada, New Jersey, and Delaware would not be allowed to transfer their money over it became clear, at least in my head.

    The site was hacked nightly by agents of the U.S. trying to get Bovada to force Bovada into submission. This continued to happen because Bovada said fuck you. Eventually Bovada realized the people attacking them were way more sophisticated than their people to combat the attack they came to an agreement.

    Bovada would get to keep their casino and sportsbook open to people form those three states I mentioned if they didn't allow them to play poker any longer. Also people from New York and Maryland would not be allowed to play poker either. I guess we can wait and see if New York and Maryland are the next two states to regulate.
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    I've heard a few reports that bitcoin cashouts on Ignition have been raised from 3k to 9.5k (same as Bovada).

    Since I haven't transferred to Ignition yet I cannot confirm or deny this but lets hope it's true.

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    I didn't realize that Ignition wouldn't have sports betting and I transferred my whole roll from Bovada. Is there any way to transfer it back? Or do I need to deposit onto Bovada for sports betting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serial Fail View Post
    I didn't realize that Ignition wouldn't have sports betting and I transferred my whole roll from Bovada. Is there any way to transfer it back? Or do I need to deposit onto Bovada for sports betting?
    No way to transfer back. You need to redeposit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serial Fail View Post
    I didn't realize that Ignition wouldn't have sports betting and I transferred my whole roll from Bovada. Is there any way to transfer it back? Or do I need to deposit onto Bovada for sports betting?

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