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    if world war 3 really did happen and nuclear missiles (that have been sitting idle for decades) were deployed, what percent would actually reach their target?

    a nuclear icbm is basically a satellite launch, and even with current tech their success rate isn't something to brag about

    juss point that sum bitch at the middle east and its bound it hit somethin brown

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
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    if world war 3 really did happen and nuclear missiles (that have been sitting idle for decades) were deployed, what percent would actually reach their target?

    a nuclear icbm is basically a satellite launch, and even with current tech their success rate isn't something to brag about

    there are between 15k and 20k nukes on the earth right now. if we lit off 100 of the middle of the road yield weapons, 5 teragrams of highly radioactive soot would be sent into the stratosphere.

    right off the bat, we would have something called a 'nuclear winter' because of that, it would be a period of 25 years or so of arctic temperatures around the middle of the earth, the poles would be marginally warmer.

    but unfortunately all that soot would basically destroy the ozone layer, so even as all that radioactive ash left the atmosphere (mostly falling back to earth and rendering our air land and water radioactive), we would probably want to stay out of the sun because the ozone layer, of course, blocks UV radiation. so you have something like an 85% increase in solar ultra violet radiation hitting the earth. you know what dies when you expose it to UV radiation? pretty much everything.

    so all those crops we eat, those are dead, all those trees in the amazon that filter carbon dioxide and replace it with oxygen, those are dead as fuck too.

    so yeah 100 nukes, anywhere on earth, and we are trapped on a lifeless radioactive sarcophagus orbiting the sun.

    now 100 nukes seems like a lot, granted.

    but the new improved SATAN 2 (RS-28 Sarmat) super nukes in russia actually deliver 16 individual high yield weapons each. so if russia launched say 4 of them... nuclear winter, UV bombardment, extinction of all known species except perhaps the Tardigrades, some moles, cockroaches, so on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
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    if world war 3 really did happen and nuclear missiles (that have been sitting idle for decades) were deployed, what percent would actually reach their target?

    a nuclear icbm is basically a satellite launch, and even with current tech their success rate isn't something to brag about

    there are between 15k and 20k nukes on the earth right now. if we lit off 100 of the middle of the road yield weapons, 5 teragrams of highly radioactive soot would be sent into the stratosphere.

    right off the bat, we would have something called a 'nuclear winter' because of that, it would be a period of 25 years or so of arctic temperatures around the middle of the earth, the poles would be marginally warmer.

    but unfortunately all that soot would basically destroy the ozone layer, so even as all that radioactive ash left the atmosphere (mostly falling back to earth and rendering our air land and water radioactive), we would probably want to stay out of the sun because the ozone layer, of course, blocks UV radiation. so you have something like an 85% increase in solar ultra violet radiation hitting the earth. you know what dies when you expose it to UV radiation? pretty much everything.

    so all those crops we eat, those are dead, all those trees in the amazon that filter carbon dioxide and replace it with oxygen, those are dead as fuck too.

    so yeah 100 nukes, anywhere on earth, and we are trapped on a lifeless radioactive sarcophagus orbiting the sun.

    now 100 nukes seems like a lot, granted.

    but the new improved SATAN 2 (RS-28 Sarmat) super nukes in russia actually deliver 16 individual high yield weapons each. so if russia launched say 4 of them... nuclear winter, UV bombardment, extinction of all known species except perhaps the Tardigrades, some moles, cockroaches, so on.
    my point is so many would probably malfunction that you'd be doing as much damage to your country as your enemies

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    Quote Originally Posted by WillieMcFML View Post
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    there are between 15k and 20k nukes on the earth right now. if we lit off 100 of the middle of the road yield weapons, 5 teragrams of highly radioactive soot would be sent into the stratosphere.

    right off the bat, we would have something called a 'nuclear winter' because of that, it would be a period of 25 years or so of arctic temperatures around the middle of the earth, the poles would be marginally warmer.

    but unfortunately all that soot would basically destroy the ozone layer, so even as all that radioactive ash left the atmosphere (mostly falling back to earth and rendering our air land and water radioactive), we would probably want to stay out of the sun because the ozone layer, of course, blocks UV radiation. so you have something like an 85% increase in solar ultra violet radiation hitting the earth. you know what dies when you expose it to UV radiation? pretty much everything.

    so all those crops we eat, those are dead, all those trees in the amazon that filter carbon dioxide and replace it with oxygen, those are dead as fuck too.

    so yeah 100 nukes, anywhere on earth, and we are trapped on a lifeless radioactive sarcophagus orbiting the sun.

    now 100 nukes seems like a lot, granted.

    but the new improved SATAN 2 (RS-28 Sarmat) super nukes in russia actually deliver 16 individual high yield weapons each. so if russia launched say 4 of them... nuclear winter, UV bombardment, extinction of all known species except perhaps the Tardigrades, some moles, cockroaches, so on.
    my point is so many would probably malfunction that you'd be doing as much damage to your country as your enemies
    so, few things here;

    - nukes dont go off when they malfunction. they arm when they are within a specific distance from their prescribed detonation points. they also dont explode if you shoot/laser/neg them; criticality is obtained by firing two fissionable materials into each other with shape charges or creating an implosion event. that's where 95% of the technical challenge in building a nuke comes from, creating that explosion or implosion that drives together the fissile payload in exactly the right way to spawn a chain reaction.

    - C&C for nukes has redundancy, and nuke subs are designed to stay hidden and deliver their payloads in the event of a 'decapitation strike'.

    - as of the 70s, ICBM navigation is literally accomplished entirely within the missile itself. they use radar to map the ground around them in real time and use that map to determine course. im sure some systems use gps or whatever the military analog is, but probably they too have redundant targetting/navigation systems.


    so no not very many would malfunction, sadly, and even fewer (possibly none) would do any damage to the country firing them.

     
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    also all these things are tested relentlessly. all they really do in silos is drill this shit for example. agencies like JPL have massive budgets for modeling exactly how the warheads will perform as their contents/components age.

    and as for physical inspections and such... well... ever see those DoE humvees driving around vegas at night? the ones with the .50 machine guns mounted on them?



    yeah...
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    The nuke warheads are removed from their missiles and inspected periodically or dismantled at a facility called Pantex 17 miles NE of Amarillo, TX.

    http://www.pantex.com/mission/Pages/default.aspx

    Despite making an error in dismantling a warhead in 2005, being listed as a Superfund site, having unionized labor disputes with 500 guards in '07 and production & maintenance workers in 2015 and a security scare in 2010 when goose hunters were mistaken for bad guys this plant surely delivers top quality products.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantex_Plant

    "Gravel Gerties" used at Pantex are designed to contain or mitigate a high explosive detonation. The design was tested at the Nevada Test Site. Pictures and information from 1996 here. Are warheads traveling in 18 wheelers beside you on the interstate?

    https://web.archive.org/web/20031230...ive/pantex.htm

    As far as the missiles themselves performing correctly. Trident II (D5) missiles are carried by 14 US Ohio and 4 British Vanguard-class submarines, with 24 missiles on each Ohio class and 16 missiles on each Vanguard class. There have been 157 successful test flights of the D5 missile since design completion in 1989, the most recent being from the USS Kentucky (SSBN-737) in November 2015. Each D5 can carry up to 14 warheads, Start 1 limits this to 8. So 24 missiles times 8 warheads = 192 big booms. At a 50% success rate Sonatine's scenario happens if just 1 US sub launches all it's missiles. Add 50% of the ICBM's, airplane launched weapons, remaining 17 subs and whatever Russia launches for redundancy and it's over baby.

     
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    As if there's someone who's never seen this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FPS_Russia View Post
    As if there's someone who's never seen this.
    note that the bombs dropped on hiroshima and nagasaki were 15 and 21 kiloton yield weapons, respectively (a single 'kiloton' refers to the destructive force equivalent to 1,000 tons of TNT).

    less than 10 years later, the CASTLE BRAVO test (dry hydrogen) was 15,000 kilotons.

    and in 1961, russa tested the TSAR bomb which was about 54,000 kiloton yield.

    additionally, many of these tests were conducted underground, this is why they didnt create a nuclear winter scenario.
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    Erdogan now spreading the Russian 'US supporting ISIS in Syria' agitprop campaign.


    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/248478...upported-isis/
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
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    As if there's someone who's never seen this.
    note that the bombs dropped on hiroshima and nagasaki were 15 and 21 kiloton yield weapons, respectively (a single 'kiloton' refers to the destructive force equivalent to 1,000 tons of TNT).

    less than 10 years later, the CASTLE BRAVO test (dry hydrogen) was 15,000 kilotons.

    and in 1961, russa tested the TSAR bomb which was about 54,000 kiloton yield.

    additionally, many of these tests were conducted underground, this is why they didnt create a nuclear winter scenario.

    yeah we did a lot of stupid shit back then.....like smoke in hospitals, trains, elevators, lobbies, bars, cars, airplanes.....oh and this:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Plumbbob

    Operation Plumbbob was a series of nuclear tests conducted between May 28 and October 7, 1957, at the Nevada Test Site, following Project 57, and preceding Project 58/58A.[1] It was the biggest, longest, and most controversial test series in the continental United States
    Propulsion of steel plate cap[edit]
    During the Pascal-B nuclear test, a 900-kilogram (2,000 lb) steel plate cap (a piece of armor plate) was blasted off the top of a test shaft at a speed of more than 66 kilometres per second (41 mi/s, 237,600 Kph, or 147,600 Mph). Before the test, experimental designer Dr. Brownlee had estimated that the nuclear explosion, combined with the specific design of the shaft, would accelerate the plate to approximately six times escape velocity.[9] The plate was never found, but Dr. Brownlee believes that the plate did not leave the atmosphere, as it may even have been vaporized by compression heating of the atmosphere due to its high speed. The calculated velocity was sufficiently interesting that the crew trained a high-speed camera on the plate, which unfortunately only appeared in one frame, but this nevertheless gave a very high lower bound for the speed. After the event, Dr. Robert R. Brownlee described the best estimate of the cover's speed from the photographic evidence as "going like a bat out of hell!"[9][10]

    List of tests[edit]
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    probably just a big misunderstanding but we just physically breached the chinese embassy in houston.

    which is technically/legally a chinese territory.


    sooooo i guess we just kinda invaded china.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    probably just a big misunderstanding but we just physically breached the chinese embassy in houston.

    which is technically/legally a chinese territory.


    sooooo i guess we just kinda invaded china.
    It’s technically a consulate not an embassy. Not sure what the implications are in terms of an “invasion”

    It was apparently a massive spy operation so I’m glad Trump is holding China accountable. There’s no way Biden would ever do this, the Chinese have way too much dirt on him (see Hunter Biden’s business dealings).

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    Quote Originally Posted by BiffCo99 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    probably just a big misunderstanding but we just physically breached the chinese embassy in houston.

    which is technically/legally a chinese territory.


    sooooo i guess we just kinda invaded china.
    It’s technically a consulate not an embassy. Not sure what the implications are in terms of an “invasion”

    It was apparently a massive spy operation so I’m glad Trump is holding China accountable. There’s no way Biden would ever do this, the Chinese have way too much dirt on him (see Hunter Biden’s business dealings).
    LOL what a dumbass

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    Quote Originally Posted by BiffCo99 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    probably just a big misunderstanding but we just physically breached the chinese embassy in houston.

    which is technically/legally a chinese territory.


    sooooo i guess we just kinda invaded china.
    It was apparently a massive spy operation.
    It's every American, Russian and Chinese consulate/embassy. It's not really news or grounds for shutting them down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gimmick View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BiffCo99 View Post

    It was apparently a massive spy operation.
    It's every American, Russian and Chinese consulate/embassy. It's not really news or grounds for shutting them down.
    China has been illegally stealing our IP for years. So fucking glad we’re shutting it down.

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    congrats on literally keeping one raindrop out of your swimming pool during a thunderstorm.

    i have no problem with them shutting down the operation, china got sloppy and thats how it goes. but dont fool yourself into thinking a democratic government has a shot in hell against a centralized government over any realistic timeframe. absolutely everyone styles on us. everyone. and the handful of people we had with real tradecraft licks were fired or left in disgust over the 'deep state' narrative.

    so enjoy your victory lap, because burning a few calories is all its going to get you.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    congrats on literally keeping one raindrop out of your swimming pool during a thunderstorm.

    i have no problem with them shutting down the operation, china got sloppy and thats how it goes. but dont fool yourself into thinking a democratic government has a shot in hell against a centralized government over any realistic timeframe. absolutely everyone styles on us. everyone. and the handful of people we had with real tradecraft licks were fired or left in disgust over the 'deep state' narrative.

    so enjoy your victory lap, because burning a few calories is all its going to get you.
    Uh HELLO WE WENT TO THE MOON, CHINA STILL CAN'T GET THERE!

    SAD!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    congrats on literally keeping one raindrop out of your swimming pool during a thunderstorm.

    i have no problem with them shutting down the operation, china got sloppy and thats how it goes. but dont fool yourself into thinking a democratic government has a shot in hell against a centralized government over any realistic timeframe. absolutely everyone styles on us. everyone. and the handful of people we had with real tradecraft licks were fired or left in disgust over the 'deep state' narrative.

    so enjoy your victory lap, because burning a few calories is all its going to get you.
    ^ This is the American voice of managed decline which began with Obama and will resume under Biden if he wins. Trump is willing to go toe-to-toe with China which is why the CCP desperately wants Biden to win.

    One of the first things Biden will do is surrender control of the South China Sea and watch and do nothing as China invades Taiwan.

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