USA is number one in something, and it ain't freedom.
since I'm likely to spend time in jail for a probation violation (a failed drug test, which aren't 100% accurate or fool proof) i thought I'd leave this here:
In October 2013, the incarceration rate of the United States of America was the highest in the world, at 716 per 100,000 of the national population. While the United States represents about 4.4 percent of the world's population, it houses around 22 percent of the world's prisoners.[1] Corrections (which includes prisons, jails, probation, and parole) cost around $74 billion in 2007 according to the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics.[2][3]
yeah we're free alright. as long as you keep buying those BigMacs and keep buying that gasoline and those cigarettes and that alchohol.
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
Only a tiny percentage of those in prison didn't knowingly break the law.
Most of those complaining about the US incarceration rate are doing so from a societal standpoint, as if somehow society is supposed to stop the individual from deciding to commit crimes.
Furthermore, very few in prison are there because they were committing crimes in order to acquire basic necessities. For every guy in prison who was just trying to feed his starving family, there are 1000 who just wanted to get rich the easy way.
The privatized prison system needs reform (though not for the tinfoil hat reasons that judges are supposedly sentencing people in exchange for bribes), but I don't see what we're supposed to do about the incarceration rate.
Ignore crimes and just let people off? That's already happening too much as it is.
Release nonviolent recreational drug users? Okay, but they only make up a tiny percentage of those in prison.
Shorter sentences? I don't think that's a good idea, given that most criminals serve a short percentage of their sentence these days as it is.
Ciavarella pleaded guilty on February 13, 2009, pursuant to a plea agreement, to federal charges of honest services fraud, wire fraud and tax evasion in connection with receiving $2.6 million in kickbacks from Robert Powell and Robert Mericle, the co-owner and builder respectively, of two private, for-profit juvenile facilities. In exchange for these kickbacks, Ciavarella sentenced children to extended stays in juvenile detention for offenses as minimal as mocking a principal on Myspace, trespassing in a vacant building, and shoplifting DVDs from Wal-mart.[7] More specifically, the crimes charged were: conspiracy to deprive the public of the "intangible right of honest services", or corruption, and conspiracy to defraud the United States by failing to report income to the Internal Revenue Service.[8] Ciavarella tendered his resignation to Governor Ed Rendell on January 23, 2009, prior to official publication of the charges.[2]
yeah but that never happens.
oh hold on, IT DID and still does.
I anxiously await your response which will probably try and defend this asshat Kids For Cash judge. while I'm doing that, I'll be looking for and posting more examples of this behavior.
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"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
Only a tiny percentage of those in prison didn't knowingly break the law.
Most of those complaining about the US incarceration rate are doing so from a societal standpoint, as if somehow society is supposed to stop the individual from deciding to commit crimes.
Furthermore, very few in prison are there because they were committing crimes in order to acquire basic necessities. For every guy in prison who was just trying to feed his starving family, there are 1000 who just wanted to get rich the easy way.
The privatized prison system needs reform (though not for the tinfoil hat reasons that judges are supposedly sentencing people in exchange for bribes), but I don't see what we're supposed to do about the incarceration rate.
Ignore crimes and just let people off? That's already happening too much as it is.
Release nonviolent recreational drug users? Okay, but they only make up a tiny percentage of those in prison.
Shorter sentences? I don't think that's a good idea, given that most criminals serve a short percentage of their sentence these days as it is.
Druff, you mentioned in another thread how you thought modern unions were essentially a scourge on our country. You couldn't have been more right on that point. At least regarding the question of marijuana legalization.
Because you prolly are already aware that police and prison guard unions in California are raising money to fight passage of that state's upcoming ballot initiative to legalize recreational pot.
I actually hope this [second impeachment] succeeds, because I want Trump put down politically like a sick, 14-year-old dog. ... I don't want him complicating the 2024 primary season. I just want him done.
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Were Republicans cowardly or unethical not to go along with [convicting Trump in the second impeachment Senate trial]? No. The smart move was to reject it.
the 2 biggest prison companies make 3 billion a year off the "industry"
but we're a free country.
we have 4% of the worlds population here, yet 25% of the prisoners.
between 1970 and 2005 the prison population rose 700%. that's faster than the crime rate, and the population rate.
let that sink in a bit.
we imprison more people than China.
yup, China.
That probably has something to do with the fact that it's much more difficult to get drugs and assault weapons in China. The vast majority of our prisoners are in for offenses related to those issues.
We definitely need drug reform, but it ain't happening anytime soon so enjoy your stay and try to lay off the pipe when you get out.
oh and Re Druffs statement on the number of non violent drug offenders in prison being a low percentage.
nope.
n The US, 2013) Of the 3,910,647 adults on probation in the US at the end of 2013, 25% (approximately 977,662 people) had a drug charge as their most serious offense
25% is a pretty fucking big percentage. and that's for people on probation. which means you're in the system, paying money, stepping between the cracks.
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
Federal: "Fifty percent (95,800) of sentenced inmates in federal prison on September 30, 2014 (the most recent date for which federal offense data are available) were serving time for drug offenses(table 12, appendix table 5). In comparison to the 53% in state prisons, violent offenders represented 7% of the federal prison population (14,000 prisoners). Among female federal prisoners, 4% were convicted of violent crimes in 2014. Public order offenders made up 36% of the BOP population, and 9% of federal prisoners (17,000) were serving time for immigration offenses. Among Hispanics in federal prisons, 26% were sentenced for immigration offenses (16,100 inmates), and 57% were sentenced for drug crimes (36,000 inmates). Fifty-three percent of black federal prisoners were convicted drug offenders in 2014, and 25% served sentences for weapons offenses."
50% huh? yeah that's not a big number.
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
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