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    Tell Me Why I Shouldn't Wager On Broncos Under 8.5 wins (+130)

    I consider myself a modern day casual NFL fan, which means despite being casual, the high amount of coverage still keeps me relatively informed.

    The Broncos over/under is 8.5 wins with juice on the over. Who doesn't take the under?

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    My first inclination was to say why make a bet that's predicated on Manning not being healthy, but after looking at the schedule, it's fucking brutal. I'm not saying I'd bet it, because Manning makes chumps look good, but if he's simply rusty, it will be hard to get to 9 wins, so it's not a bad bet with the +130. They finish against bad teams, but the only real easy spots are within the division plus Cleveland and Tampa for the most part. Also San Diego is one of the few teams to cause him issues through the years, so that only leaves Oakland and KC as easy marks. I can't make an argument against the bet after looking at the schedule. If he comes out not sharp, they could easily be 1-5 after the first 6, more likely 2-4. I expected to disagree with you, but after looking at it, I like your side better than the other and you're getting the extra value.


    edit-After thinking about it, it's a good bet straight up at that number, and should Manning face any more health issues, it's essentially a freeroll. I might bet this if Manning Mania continues to push it as the season draws near.

    Site Time TV
    1 Sun. Sept. 9 PITTSBURGH Sports Authority Field at Mile High 6:20 p.m. MDT NBC (NTL)
    2 Mon. Sept. 17 at Atlanta Georgia Dome 8:30 p.m. EDT ESPN (NTL)
    3 Sun. Sept. 23 HOUSTON Sports Authority Field at Mile High 2:15 p.m. MDT CBS
    4 Sun. Sept. 30 OAKLAND Sports Authority Field at Mile High 2:05 p.m. MDT CBS
    5 Sun. Oct. 7 at New England Gillette Stadium 4:15 p.m. EDT CBS
    6 Mon. Oct. 15 at San Diego Qualcomm Stadium 5:30 p.m. PDT ESPN (NTL)
    7 BYE
    8 Sun. Oct. 28 NEW ORLEANS Sports Authority Field at Mile High 6:20 p.m. MDT NBC (NTL)
    9 Sun. Nov. 4 at Cincinnati Paul Brown Stadium 1 p.m. EST CBS
    10 Sun. Nov. 11 at Carolina Bank of America Stadium 1 p.m. EST CBS
    11 Sun. Nov. 18 SAN DIEGO Sports Authority Field at Mile High 2:15 p.m. MST CBS*
    12 Sun. Nov. 25 at Kansas City Arrowhead Stadium 12 p.m. CST CBS*
    13 Sun. Dec. 2 TAMPA BAY Sports Authority Field at Mile High 2:05 p.m. MST FOX*
    14 Thu. Dec. 6 at Oakland O.co Coliseum 5:20 p.m. PST NFLN (NTL)
    15 Sun. Dec. 16 at Baltimore M&T Bank Stadium 1 p.m. EST CBS*
    16 Sun. Dec. 23 CLEVELAND Sports Authority Field at Mile High 2:05 p.m. MST CBS*
    17 Sun. Dec. 30 KANSAS CITY Sports Authority Field at Mile High 2:15 p.m. MST CBS*
    Last edited by BCR; 06-04-2012 at 09:10 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    My first inclination was to say why make a bet that's predicated on Manning not being healthy, but after looking at the schedule, it's fucking brutal. I'm not saying I'd bet it, because Manning makes chumps look good, but if he's simply rusty, it will be hard to get to 9 wins, so it's not a bad bet with the +130. They finish against bad teams, but the only real easy spots are within the division plus Cleveland and Tampa for the most part. Also San Diego is one of the few teams to cause him issues through the years, so that only leaves Oakland and KC as easy marks. I can't make an argument against the bet after looking at the schedule. If he comes out not sharp, they could easily be 1-5 after the first 6, more likely 2-4. I expected to disagree with you, but after looking at it, I like your side better than the other and you're getting the extra value.


    edit-After thinking about it, it's a good bet straight up at that number, and should Manning face any more health issues, it's essentially a freeroll. I might bet this if Manning Mania continues to push it as the season draws near.

    Site Time TV
    1 Sun. Sept. 9 PITTSBURGH Sports Authority Field at Mile High 6:20 p.m. MDT NBC (NTL)
    2 Mon. Sept. 17 at Atlanta Georgia Dome 8:30 p.m. EDT ESPN (NTL)
    3 Sun. Sept. 23 HOUSTON Sports Authority Field at Mile High 2:15 p.m. MDT CBS
    4 Sun. Sept. 30 OAKLAND Sports Authority Field at Mile High 2:05 p.m. MDT CBS
    5 Sun. Oct. 7 at New England Gillette Stadium 4:15 p.m. EDT CBS
    6 Mon. Oct. 15 at San Diego Qualcomm Stadium 5:30 p.m. PDT ESPN (NTL)
    7 BYE
    8 Sun. Oct. 28 NEW ORLEANS Sports Authority Field at Mile High 6:20 p.m. MDT NBC (NTL)
    9 Sun. Nov. 4 at Cincinnati Paul Brown Stadium 1 p.m. EST CBS
    10 Sun. Nov. 11 at Carolina Bank of America Stadium 1 p.m. EST CBS
    11 Sun. Nov. 18 SAN DIEGO Sports Authority Field at Mile High 2:15 p.m. MST CBS*
    12 Sun. Nov. 25 at Kansas City Arrowhead Stadium 12 p.m. CST CBS*
    13 Sun. Dec. 2 TAMPA BAY Sports Authority Field at Mile High 2:05 p.m. MST FOX*
    14 Thu. Dec. 6 at Oakland O.co Coliseum 5:20 p.m. PST NFLN (NTL)
    15 Sun. Dec. 16 at Baltimore M&T Bank Stadium 1 p.m. EST CBS*
    16 Sun. Dec. 23 CLEVELAND Sports Authority Field at Mile High 2:05 p.m. MST CBS*
    17 Sun. Dec. 30 KANSAS CITY Sports Authority Field at Mile High 2:15 p.m. MST CBS*
    Damn!!! That IS a really tough schedule.

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    I'm probably staying away from this bet, for one I'm not really that into futures. Another reason I'd stay away from this is when anything seems to good to be true aka +130 it probably is.

    If Manning is healthy it'll only be a few games before he shakes off the rust from missing a season. I think that Defense is better than what they show statistically, skip bayless constantly talks about how tebow had to do it with the 20th ranked defense. What he doesn't talk about is how they basically go 3 and out for 3 quarters offensively and actually rely on the "20th ranked" defense to keep the offense in the game for the 4th.

    I'm not betting this game because of the the unanswered questions, you might want to see if any more information on Peyton gets released before snapping it off for any substantial amount of money. If you're firing off for a sweat that would be different.

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    Yeah I stay away from futures as well I hate my money tied up that long but won some on the Lions making the playoffs last year and will definitely be looking at futures for them for this upcoming season since they are the team I follow the most.

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    I wouldn't touch this bet. Way to many variables to make it worth it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muck Ficon View Post
    I wouldn't touch this bet. Way to many variables to make it worth it.

    basically how i feel, way to much uncertainty but if manning is healthy I sort of feel like the play is over 8.5. just my 2c.

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    Lew, my man, stay away from this bet, stick to the laundry grind.

    If you have to make a bet though the under seems like a good option. I think they will go 7-9 or 8-8. This is a 5-11 (to me at least on paper) team and manning at this point in his career only adds 2-3 wins.

    edit: thought lew started this thread - carry on the laundry grinding.
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    If Tebow were playing the over would be a lock obv

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Stamos View Post
    Lew, my man, stay away from this bet, stick to the laundry grind.

    If you have to make a bet though the under seems like a good option. I think they will go 7-9 or 8-8. This is a 5-11 (to me at least on paper) team and manning at this point in his career only adds 2-3 wins.

    edit: thought lew started this thread - carry on the laundry grinding.

    one love uncle jesse, one love. you know my linens are so fresh and so clean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lewfather View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by John Stamos View Post
    Lew, my man, stay away from this bet, stick to the laundry grind.

    If you have to make a bet though the under seems like a good option. I think they will go 7-9 or 8-8. This is a 5-11 (to me at least on paper) team and manning at this point in his career only adds 2-3 wins.

    edit: thought lew started this thread - carry on the laundry grinding.

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    Essentially this bet isn't about the Broncos, it's all about Manning IMO. If he's healthy and plays at least 14 games, they are at least a 9-7 team. If not, who knows, probably the under.

    You could argue that over the last 2 seasons, the Colts basically fielded a 6-10 team assuming a league-average QB at the helm. With Manning in 2010 they won 10 games, last year without him and with all below-league avg qb's, they won 2. The current Broncos look to be a bit better than the last 2 years of the Colts.

    I also ignore the schedule at this time of year if debating a futures bet. It's much too early to know about every team. For instance just last season around this time, if you saw @Indianapolis on your teams schedule you were probably pretty worried about that game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gut View Post
    Essentially this bet isn't about the Broncos, it's all about Manning IMO. If he's healthy and plays at least 14 games, they are at least a 9-7 team. If not, who knows, probably the under.

    You could argue that over the last 2 seasons, the Colts basically fielded a 6-10 team assuming a league-average QB at the helm. With Manning in 2010 they won 10 games, last year without him and with all below-league avg qb's, they won 2. The current Broncos look to be a bit better than the last 2 years of the Colts.

    I also ignore the schedule at this time of year if debating a futures bet. It's much too early to know about every team. For instance just last season around this time, if you saw @Indianapolis on your teams schedule you were probably pretty worried about that game.
    that's why they the call them futures bets though, the line could change for better or worse depending on what happens. It's all about what the person betting thinks will happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Stamos View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by lewfather View Post


    one love uncle jesse, one love. you know my linens are so fresh and so clean.
    lew is HOF

    Real talk, I grew up playing the drums so I've formed this ridiculous habit of sitting at a computer desk tapping out beats and almost daily I will bang so fresh so cleans beat. Probably one of my all time FAVs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinamaniac View Post
    If Tebow were playing the over would be a lock obv
    Good to see your man crush on Tebow has only grown stronger in the off season.
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    I love having a little action on over/unders, nothing too big. It's a good feeling toward the end of the year when you hit one and I've been lucky with them the past few years, going 9-4.

    I booked the Broncos under and am considering betting Patriots under 12.5 wins as well.

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    Manning is GOD. The entire bloodline is GOD. A female manning should marry one of the Staal's and you would have a superhuman ice hockey player who can throw a football 80 yards.

    You have to think that the entire team is hyped for Manning and put in the extra work and are willing to go all out this season.

    That being said, I see them haveing a great start, then getting rattled a bit after Manning gets some pressure, then winning rest of games. 9-7 but more likely 10-6.

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    Considering his shelf life is probably 3 years tops, it is very curious that manning chose the Broncos, given it was known their schedule this year would be brutal after winning their divisions last year and knowing they would have to play the AFC north. For the same logic, I thought he should stay away from the Dolphins.

    It seems of all the serious contenders Tennessee (or maybe San Fran) would have been the obvious strategic choice because of the anticipated soft schedule, especially in division.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe View Post
    I love having a little action on over/unders, nothing too big. It's a good feeling toward the end of the year when you hit one and I've been lucky with them the past few years, going 9-4.

    I booked the Broncos under and am considering betting Patriots under 12.5 wins as well.
    They have gone over the past 2 years and only got better on their defense in the draft. A quick glance at their schedule and it doesn't seem too tough with a lot of tougher games (49ers, Houston) at home. At Baltimore I see them losing but not a whole of other loss possibilities in my eyes. Did you end up making the bet?

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    Sloppy Joe,

    Where are you getting your lines for NFL season win totals?

    I would like to take a look at all of them.


    Thanks,

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