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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    Because seriously that train is pulling into the station any minute now.
    Unbelievably the Southern Nevada Water Authority (the umbrella organization that takes water from Lake Mead and supplies six or seven water agencies) forecasts that at slightly increasing usage rates Lake Mead and groundwater will supply So. NV until 2058 or until 2035 at heavier usage rates. Pages 5 & 6 here.
    https://www.snwa.com/assets/pdf/wr_plan_chapter4.pdf
    Southern California takes 4.4 million acre feet/year (AFY) of water from the Colorado River via canals and an aqueduct, Arizona pulls 1 million AFY from Lake Havasu via the Central AZ Project, an open canal reaching to Phoenix and Tucson. SNWA can only pull 300,000 AFY from Lake Mead. CA & AZ use their water for agriculture as well as domestic purposes. AZ grows water intensive crops like Pima cotton. Upstream from Lake Mead on the far end of the Grand Canyon and Marble Canyon is another storage lagoon called Lake Powell. Powell doesn't directly supply anything with water except the electric generators in Glen Canyon dam. Those generators mostly work in the summer during the afternoon and evening when the AC's in Phoenix are blasting. The level of Lake Powell has dropped enough to require that power be bought from the open market to supply AZ sufficiently. Lake Powell loses about 280 billion gallons of water every year through evaporation and leakage out the bottom into the sand and porous sandstone. The varying water flow through Glen Canyon dam results in a daily "tide" in the river level of Marble and Grand Canyon. Lake Powell and it's effect on the Colorado River and uses here.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/22/op...ado-river.html
    and a view from LA here. http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-...429-story.html
    bottom line; So. Nevada will lose 13,000 AFY if Lake Mead drops much lower, the Colorado River makes life possible for about 40 million people not just Vegas and supplies a lot of our vegetables and nuts, dams in the west are being removed and Lake Powell could be drained, fifteen years of drought show no sign of ending, southern Nevada and Arizona should follow California in trying harder to conserve, the Colorado River is divided up according to an agreement signed in 1922 between 7 states and Mexico later
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    Because seriously that train is pulling into the station any minute now.
    I don't know, but I hope vegas sold his boat. than again how will bottomset troll him?

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    Saw Druff's post about the San Bernadino Fire.

    I also saw some news about Lake Mead at record lows. Global warming is one thing but uncontrolled growth is another.

    Vegas just continues to build like there is no tomorrow. Demand exceeds supply and that hasn't changed for years.

    Cali depends on that supply too. A little controlled burning and looting is healthy.

    The power output of Hoover Damn depends on Lake Mead. I heard some conversation that there is a level that is approaching quickly where power cannot be generated.

    That is gold.

    Vegas DD in 2025?

    No watermelon for Druff?

    I think about this today cause I just got fined at work for irrigating the lawn. I know my own customers ratted me out.

    I am tap dancing with town about filling pools.

    Our drought is a passing thing in Northeast. Good luck out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post
    Saw Druff's post about the San Bernadino Fire.

    I also saw some news about Lake Mead at record lows. Global warming is one thing but uncontrolled growth is another.

    Vegas just continues to build like there is no tomorrow. Demand exceeds supply and that hasn't changed for years.

    Cali depends on that supply too. A little controlled burning and looting is healthy.

    The power output of Hoover Damn depends on Lake Mead. I heard some conversation that there is a level that is approaching quickly where power cannot be generated.

    That is gold.

    Vegas DD in 2025?

    No watermelon for Druff?

    I think about this today cause I just got fined at work for irrigating the lawn. I know my own customers ratted me out.

    I am tap dancing with town about filling pools.

    Our drought is a passing thing in Northeast. Good luck out there.
    LOL, you will never end the narrative from Global Warming fanatics (such as Dirty B), that the Lake Mead decline is anything other than Global Warming. Nobody mentions the population growth in a desert is a contributing factor by a factor of 10.

    Also these Global Warming nutjobs always conveniently ignore that no Cat 5 hurricane has hit the US mainland is over a decade. Remember that was the basic premise of Al Gore's movie. Also, Key West was supposed to be under water already. LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post
    Saw Druff's post about the San Bernadino Fire.

    I also saw some news about Lake Mead at record lows. Global warming is one thing but uncontrolled growth is another.

    Vegas just continues to build like there is no tomorrow. Demand exceeds supply and that hasn't changed for years.

    Cali depends on that supply too. A little controlled burning and looting is healthy.

    The power output of Hoover Damn depends on Lake Mead. I heard some conversation that there is a level that is approaching quickly where power cannot be generated.

    That is gold.

    Vegas DD in 2025?

    No watermelon for Druff?

    I think about this today cause I just got fined at work for irrigating the lawn. I know my own customers ratted me out.

    I am tap dancing with town about filling pools.

    Our drought is a passing thing in Northeast. Good luck out there.
    Only a small amount of power from the Hoover Dam supplies Las Vegas; however most of Vegas's water comes from Lake Mead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post
    Saw Druff's post about the San Bernadino Fire.

    I also saw some news about Lake Mead at record lows. Global warming is one thing but uncontrolled growth is another.

    Vegas just continues to build like there is no tomorrow. Demand exceeds supply and that hasn't changed for years.

    Cali depends on that supply too. A little controlled burning and looting is healthy.

    The power output of Hoover Damn depends on Lake Mead. I heard some conversation that there is a level that is approaching quickly where power cannot be generated.

    That is gold.

    Vegas DD in 2025?

    No watermelon for Druff?

    I think about this today cause I just got fined at work for irrigating the lawn. I know my own customers ratted me out.

    I am tap dancing with town about filling pools.

    Our drought is a passing thing in Northeast. Good luck out there.

    I lived in Vegas for about a year and a half recently. I believe more people are leaving than ever before. Can you provide any statistical source for this 'growth'? All the casinos are running on threadbare teams, layoffs are everywhere, profits are down across the board. There is development there but really, one has to wonder how many of those units are being sold to our Chinese friends.
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    Las Vegas Housing 4Q15: Starts Continue Strong Growth Trend, But Tight Lot Supply Continues to Pressure Affordability
    LAS VEGAS HOUSING 1Q16: Strong Demand Trend Continues; Tight Lot Supply Continues to Drive up Prices
    Of course you are accurate about the casino landscape. Honestly, my image was that of the entertainment venues being built which is the trend to overcome declining gambling revenue as a percentage of total revenue.

    Even if there was a net outflow of residents construction and development always overshoot. They gotta do what they gotta do.

    The whole southwest "come to Jesus moment" is pretty much here. The discussion in the next year or two will be great.

    I lost track of stuff like the $3 billion Construction of a water pipeline to Baker. There are some desperate plans being made. I was playing the water stocks a year or two ago. Hard to pick the right horse to win this race.

    They are fucked. There is no natural selection anymore. The old ways were best.

    Fire was a natural thing before we settled the west. Great for ecology. Starvation and pestulance have their roles too.

    Don't despair Sonatine. Stupidity has momentum.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post
    LAS VEGAS HOUSING 1Q16: Strong Demand Trend Continues; Tight Lot Supply Continues to Drive up Prices
    Of course you are accurate about the casino landscape. Honestly, my image was that of the entertainment venues being built which is the trend to overcome declining gambling revenue as a percentage of total revenue.

    Even if there was a net outflow of residents construction and development always overshoot. They gotta do what they gotta do.

    The whole southwest "come to Jesus moment" is pretty much here. The discussion in the next year or two will be great.

    I lost track of stuff like the $3 billion Construction of a water pipeline to Baker. There are some desperate plans being made. I was playing the water stocks a year or two ago. Hard to pick the right horse to win this race.

    They are fucked. There is no natural selection anymore. The old ways were best.

    Fire was a natural thing before we settled the west. Great for ecology. Starvation and pestulance have their roles too.

    Don't despair Sonatine. Stupidity has momentum.
    We have to start being smart about water usage. Trash treaties made in the 1920s that don't reflect the current reality, ban the most wasteful uses of water (Bellagio fountain, water spray air conditioning outdoor spaces, outdoor swimming pools) and start recycling water (with treatment, waste water can be made potable and put back into the system).

    By coordinating smart policy and making relatively small sacrifices, Vegas and everywhere else could be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hongkonger View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post

    Of course you are accurate about the casino landscape. Honestly, my image was that of the entertainment venues being built which is the trend to overcome declining gambling revenue as a percentage of total revenue.

    Even if there was a net outflow of residents construction and development always overshoot. They gotta do what they gotta do.

    The whole southwest "come to Jesus moment" is pretty much here. The discussion in the next year or two will be great.

    I lost track of stuff like the $3 billion Construction of a water pipeline to Baker. There are some desperate plans being made. I was playing the water stocks a year or two ago. Hard to pick the right horse to win this race.

    They are fucked. There is no natural selection anymore. The old ways were best.

    Fire was a natural thing before we settled the west. Great for ecology. Starvation and pestulance have their roles too.

    Don't despair Sonatine. Stupidity has momentum.
    We have to start being smart about water usage. Trash treaties made in the 1920s that don't reflect the current reality, ban the most wasteful uses of water (Bellagio fountain, water spray air conditioning outdoor spaces, outdoor swimming pools) and start recycling water (with treatment, waste water can be made potable and put back into the system).

    By coordinating smart policy and making relatively small sacrifices, Vegas and everywhere else could be fine.
    Sorry Krypt, but I used to view the whole bottled water thing as faggot and a mind boggling assault on the environment.

    I gave up and say no more.

    Waste water treatment used to be a thing.

    The one issue that actually concerns me somewhat are the drugs that find their way into our water supply that is not treated. Viagra, both control meds, hormone treatment, antibiotics etc etc. pharma use exploded and there is no answer for that.

    I read something about measureable levels of medication in Lake Mead. Got my attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hongkonger View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post

    Of course you are accurate about the casino landscape. Honestly, my image was that of the entertainment venues being built which is the trend to overcome declining gambling revenue as a percentage of total revenue.

    Even if there was a net outflow of residents construction and development always overshoot. They gotta do what they gotta do.

    The whole southwest "come to Jesus moment" is pretty much here. The discussion in the next year or two will be great.

    I lost track of stuff like the $3 billion Construction of a water pipeline to Baker. There are some desperate plans being made. I was playing the water stocks a year or two ago. Hard to pick the right horse to win this race.

    They are fucked. There is no natural selection anymore. The old ways were best.

    Fire was a natural thing before we settled the west. Great for ecology. Starvation and pestulance have their roles too.

    Don't despair Sonatine. Stupidity has momentum.
    We have to start being smart about water usage. Trash treaties made in the 1920s that don't reflect the current reality, ban the most wasteful uses of water (Bellagio fountain, water spray air conditioning outdoor spaces, outdoor swimming pools) and start recycling water (with treatment, waste water can be made potable and put back into the system).

    By coordinating smart policy and making relatively small sacrifices, Vegas and everywhere else could be fine.
    What a fucking MONG you are. LOL. You fucking liberals have it all figured out. Just a few small sacrifices is all. You are so fucking smart. Next time you are in this country, go knock on someone's door with a pool and see where it gets you. LOL, "just a few small sacrifices" people. Hehehe

     
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    It's population period.

    Yeah, small sacrifices are just, well, too small.

    It takes 150 gallons to grow and process a 1/4 pound of hamburger

    It takes a 100 gallons to make a cotton shirt.

    Kinda fascinating to think about. Every human is a huge tax on the environment.

    What is the water content of things. In a tribute to mumbles I offer this:

    http://water.usgs.gov/edu/activity-watercontent.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post
    LAS VEGAS HOUSING 1Q16: Strong Demand Trend Continues; Tight Lot Supply Continues to Drive up Prices
    Of course you are accurate about the casino landscape. Honestly, my image was that of the entertainment venues being built which is the trend to overcome declining gambling revenue as a percentage of total revenue.

    Even if there was a net outflow of residents construction and development always overshoot. They gotta do what they gotta do.

    The whole southwest "come to Jesus moment" is pretty much here. The discussion in the next year or two will be great.

    I lost track of stuff like the $3 billion Construction of a water pipeline to Baker. There are some desperate plans being made. I was playing the water stocks a year or two ago. Hard to pick the right horse to win this race.

    They are fucked. There is no natural selection anymore. The old ways were best.

    Fire was a natural thing before we settled the west. Great for ecology. Starvation and pestulance have their roles too.

    Don't despair Sonatine. Stupidity has momentum.

    http://www.metrostudy.com/38067-2/ got it.


    WTF at them saying job growth is strong in Vegas...? Did they open a Jack In The Box or something?


    Honestly all Im saying is that none of this really makes sense to me and real estate is such a hall of mirrors to begin with that I wouldnt put money on anything positive about Vegas at any odds.

    Now.. that said... Ive been pricing houses in Vegas for a few years and all of a sudden, real recently honestly, Ive seen a LOT less deals on the market place in the last like 4 months, and an overall increase in prices of like 7-10% where people are flipping, and their comments about exhausting lots does jibe with that.
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    I just spent 15 minutes on hold with the Cosmo reservation desk (before hanging up). Someone tell me more about this healthy job growth in Vegas please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Draymond View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by hongkonger View Post

    We have to start being smart about water usage. Trash treaties made in the 1920s that don't reflect the current reality, ban the most wasteful uses of water (Bellagio fountain, water spray air conditioning outdoor spaces, outdoor swimming pools) and start recycling water (with treatment, waste water can be made potable and put back into the system).

    By coordinating smart policy and making relatively small sacrifices, Vegas and everywhere else could be fine.
    What a fucking MONG you are. LOL. You fucking liberals have it all figured out. Just a few small sacrifices is all. You are so fucking smart. Next time you are in this country, go knock on someone's door with a pool and see where it gets you. LOL, "just a few small sacrifices" people. Hehehe
    As opposed to people like you who think everybody can continue doing whatever the hell they want with no consequences. Don't worry, toilets can stay, your livelihood will not be threatened.

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    Body in barrel discovered at Lake Mead is likely a gunshot murder victim from decades ago, police say


    Now this is excellent preservation.

    According to the release, an investigation is now underway, and "detectives believe the victim was killed some time in the mid '70s to early '80s, based on clothing and footwear the victim was found with."
    Get your alibis prepared

    "The lake has drained dramatically over the last 15 years," Spencer said previously, noting "it's likely that we will find additional bodies that have been dumped in Lake Mead" as the water level drops more.
    You can never dump the body too far out

    "The barrel was likely dropped hundreds of yards off the shore back then," Spencer said, "but that area is now considered the shoreline."

    Vegas had a pipe installed in the past decade at a lower level. Whoever promoted the $1 billion plus investment saved Las Vegas bacon for a while. They should erect a statue in front of the Bellagio Fountain for that chap

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    The Hoffa family and many more will have closure.

    Name change to Lake Mud.
    This post from 2016 deserves a bump

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    Quote Originally Posted by hongkonger View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post

    Of course you are accurate about the casino landscape. Honestly, my image was that of the entertainment venues being built which is the trend to overcome declining gambling revenue as a percentage of total revenue.

    Even if there was a net outflow of residents construction and development always overshoot. They gotta do what they gotta do.

    The whole southwest "come to Jesus moment" is pretty much here. The discussion in the next year or two will be great.

    I lost track of stuff like the $3 billion Construction of a water pipeline to Baker. There are some desperate plans being made. I was playing the water stocks a year or two ago. Hard to pick the right horse to win this race.

    They are fucked. There is no natural selection anymore. The old ways were best.

    Fire was a natural thing before we settled the west. Great for ecology. Starvation and pestulance have their roles too.

    Don't despair Sonatine. Stupidity has momentum.
    By coordinating smart policy and making relatively small sacrifices, Vegas and everywhere else could be fine.
    Perhaps you’ve never been to Southern California. It is composed of the most narcissistic people on the planet and there’s 20 million of them. Zero point zero chance they will conserve water for the collective good.
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