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    They've been doing this for years. If you can't get people to support your views, use deceit and the semblance of popularity to give the appearance that your views are not only popular, but the majority.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing

    Astroturfing is the practice of masking the sponsors of a message or organization (e.g., political, advertising, religious or public relations) to make it appear as though it originates from and is supported by a grassroots participant(s). It is a practice intended to give the statements or organizations credibility by withholding information about the source's financial connection. The term astroturfing is derived from AstroTurf, a brand of synthetic carpeting designed to resemble natural grass, as a play on the word "grassroots." The implication behind the use of the term is that there are no "true" or "natural" grassroots, but rather "fake" or "artificial" support, although some astroturfing operatives defend the practice (see Justification below).
    This is how Republicans win elections despite the large majority of Americans wanting a national health care system, strong environmental protection and gun control.
    Exactly, meet ALEC. This group will write the bill or law and all the corrupt official has to do is sign and intro. And so much more. http://www.alecexposed.org/wiki/ALEC_Exposed

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    Quote Originally Posted by hongkonger View Post

    This is how Republicans win elections despite the large majority of Americans wanting a national health care system, strong environmental protection and gun control.
    The majority of Americans want to be Canadians? Cool. Drop by tonight. Enjoy some local craft beer and the hockey game. The basketball game will be on mute on the other telly.
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    Im american id much rather be canadian.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4Dragons View Post
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    They've been doing this for years. If you can't get people to support your views, use deceit and the semblance of popularity to give the appearance that your views are not only popular, but the majority.
    This is how Republicans win elections despite the large majority of Americans wanting a national health care system, strong environmental protection and gun control.
    And by majority you mean women. /thread
    I know you know it's not just women. But regardless of how it breaks down by sex, I believe women now get one vote just like men?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hongkonger View Post
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    This is how Republicans win elections despite the large majority of Americans wanting a national health care system, strong environmental protection and gun control.
    And by majority you mean women. /thread
    I know you know it's not just women. But regardless of how it breaks down by sex, I believe women now get one vote just like men?
    You have no idea how society started do you?

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    Senate GOP Launches Inquiry Into Facebook’s News Curation


    The US Senate Commerce Committee—which has jurisdiction over media issues, consumer protection issues, and internet communication—has sent a letter to Mark Zuckerberg requesting answers to questions it has on its trending topics section. The letter comes after Gizmodo on Monday reported on allegations by one former news curator, who worked for Facebook as a contractor, that the curation team routinely suppressed or blacklisted topics of interest to conservatives. That report also included allegations from several former curators that they used a “injection tool” to add or bump stories onto the trending module.

    The letter asks that Facebook “arrange for your staff including employees responsible for trending topics to brief committee staff on this issue.” The letter was signed by Chairman for the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation, Senator John Thune (R) from South Dakota.

    Some of the letter’s questions include:
    1) Please describe Facebook’s organization structure for the Trending Topics feature, and the steps for determining included topics. Who is ultimately responsible for approving its content?
    2) Have Facebook news curators in fact manipulated the content of the Trending Topics section, either by targeting news stories related to conservative views for exclusion or by injecting non-trending content?
    3) What steps is Facebook taking to investigate claims of politically motivated manipulation of news stories in the Trending Topics section? If such claims are substantiated, what steps will Facebook take to hold the responsible individuals accountable?
    4) In a statement responding to the allegations, Facebook has claimed to have “rigorous guidelines in place for the review team” to prevent “the suppression of political perspectives” or the “prioritization of one viewpoint ver another or one news outlet over another.”
    a. When did Facebook first introduce these guidelines?
    b. Please provide a copy of these guidelines, as well as any changes or amendments since January 2014.
    c. Does Facebook provide training for its employees related to these guidelines? If so, describe what the training consists of, as well as its frequency.
    d. How does Facebook determine compliance with these guidelines? Does it conduct audits? If so, how often? What steps are taken when a violation occurs?
    5) Does Facebook maintain a record of curators decisions to inject a story into the Trending Topics section or target a story for removal? If such a record is not maintained, can such decisions be reconstructed or determined based on an analysis of the Trending Topics product?
    a. If so, how many stories have curators excluded that represented conservative viewpoints or topics of interest to conservatives? How many stories did curators inject that were not, in fact, trending?
    b. Please provide a list of all news stories removed from or injected into the Trending Topics section since January 2014.
    Chairman Thune’s Letter to Mark Zuckerberg

     
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    I'm sure at the end of this its not going to be a anti conservative thing..... It's going to be a pro green thing, as in liberals pay more for media.

    Facebook don't give a shit about left vs right, at least not as much as making $$.

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    It's good to see Republicans getting over the whole "small government" fad.

     
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    Senate GOP Launches Inquiry Into Facebook’s News Curation


    The US Senate Commerce Committee—which has jurisdiction over media issues, consumer protection issues, and internet communication—has sent a letter to Mark Zuckerberg requesting answers to questions it has on its trending topics section. The letter comes after Gizmodo on Monday reported on allegations by one former news curator, who worked for Facebook as a contractor, that the curation team routinely suppressed or blacklisted topics of interest to conservatives. That report also included allegations from several former curators that they used a “injection tool” to add or bump stories onto the trending module.

    The letter asks that Facebook “arrange for your staff including employees responsible for trending topics to brief committee staff on this issue.” The letter was signed by Chairman for the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation, Senator John Thune (R) from South Dakota.

    Some of the letter’s questions include:
    1) Please describe Facebook’s organization structure for the Trending Topics feature, and the steps for determining included topics. Who is ultimately responsible for approving its content?
    2) Have Facebook news curators in fact manipulated the content of the Trending Topics section, either by targeting news stories related to conservative views for exclusion or by injecting non-trending content?
    3) What steps is Facebook taking to investigate claims of politically motivated manipulation of news stories in the Trending Topics section? If such claims are substantiated, what steps will Facebook take to hold the responsible individuals accountable?
    4) In a statement responding to the allegations, Facebook has claimed to have “rigorous guidelines in place for the review team” to prevent “the suppression of political perspectives” or the “prioritization of one viewpoint ver another or one news outlet over another.”
    a. When did Facebook first introduce these guidelines?
    b. Please provide a copy of these guidelines, as well as any changes or amendments since January 2014.
    c. Does Facebook provide training for its employees related to these guidelines? If so, describe what the training consists of, as well as its frequency.
    d. How does Facebook determine compliance with these guidelines? Does it conduct audits? If so, how often? What steps are taken when a violation occurs?
    5) Does Facebook maintain a record of curators decisions to inject a story into the Trending Topics section or target a story for removal? If such a record is not maintained, can such decisions be reconstructed or determined based on an analysis of the Trending Topics product?
    a. If so, how many stories have curators excluded that represented conservative viewpoints or topics of interest to conservatives? How many stories did curators inject that were not, in fact, trending?
    b. Please provide a list of all news stories removed from or injected into the Trending Topics section since January 2014.
    Chairman Thune’s Letter to Mark Zuckerberg

    these GOP monkeys we have on capital hill sure love to waste our fucking time don't they. For starters I have to wonder is Facebook under any sort of legal obligation to answer this letter? My guess is they aren't. Facebook isn't a public entity, it's private. They can show whatever the fuck they want on their website. You don't like the news facebook chooses to bring you? then don't use their site.

    You GOP'rs are so fucking absurd. It's no wonder why they can't get anything done. They spend their time on this kind of crap. All the while they try and shut the government down any chance they get.

    Get a fucking life you republican scumbags.
    "Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."

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    FPS_Russia: 4dragons start a campaign to bring back the fairness doctrine. Let me know how that goes, thought so,

    I don't condone the story posted, but it sure as hell cannot be ignored either. That is balls in the face right there what the Senate just did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4Dragons View Post
    FPS_Russia: 4dragons start a campaign to bring back the fairness doctrine. Let me know how that goes, thought so,

    I don't condone the story posted, but it sure as hell cannot be ignored either. That is balls in the face right there what the Senate just did.
    I'm torn between liking the fairness doctrine and the belief that people who get news from facebook deserve ignorance.

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    I'm sure at the end of this its not going to be a anti conservative thing..... It's going to be a pro green thing, as in liberals pay more for media.

    Facebook don't give a shit about left vs right, at least not as much as making $$.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2016/05/10/unfriended-senator-hits-zuckerberg-over-alleged-anti-conservative-bias-at-facebook/

    Unfriended: Senator hits Zuckerberg over alleged anti-conservative bias at Facebook

    Does Facebook bury conservative news on its site? One Republican senator hopes to find out.
    Sen. John Thune (S.D.) wrote to Facebook chairman and CEO Mark Zuckerberg after a former news curator claimed the site regularly suppressed content pertaining to the political right, a charge the company has denied. The former Facebook employee alleged that stories about Mitt Romney, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) and the conservative CPAC gathering were barred from appearing on Facebook’s influential “Trending” news section.
    “If true, these allegations compromise Facebook’s ‘open culture’ and mission ‘to make the world more open and connected,'” Thune, the chairman of the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation, wrote in a letter Tuesday.
    “With over a billion daily active users on average, Facebook has enormous influence on users’ perceptions of current events, including political perspectives.”
    The letter asked Zuckerberg to answer five questions about the “Trending” feature, including whether Facebook keeps a record of curators’ decisions to include or exclude stories and how many pieces related to conservatives have been rejected.
    Additionally, Thune asked for a briefing for committee staff on the “Trending” feature.
    The former curator’s claims, reported Monday by Gizmodo, have caused an uproar on the political right. “It is beyond disturbing to learn that this power is being used to silence view points and stories that don’t fit someone else’s agenda,” the Republican National Committee wrote Monday in a blog post.
    Facebook Vice President for Search Tom Stocky said the claims are false.
    “Facebook is a platform for people and perspectives from across the political spectrum,” Stocky wrote Monday in a Facebook post.
    “There are rigorous guidelines in place for the review team to ensure consistency and neutrality. These guidelines do not permit the suppression of political perspectives. Nor do they permit the prioritization of one viewpoint over another or one news outlet over another … We do not insert stories artificially into trending topics, and do not instruct our reviewers to do so.”
    A spokesman for Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) slammed Thune for launching the probe.
    “The Republican Senate refuses to hold hearings on Judge Garland, refuses to fund the President’s request for Zika aid and takes the most days off of any Senate since 1956, but thinks Facebook hearings are a matter of urgent national interest,” Adam Jentleson wrote in an email.
    “The taxpayers who pay Republican senators’ salaries probably want their money back.”



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    Senate GOP Launches Inquiry Into Facebook’s News Curation


    The US Senate Commerce Committee—which has jurisdiction over media issues, consumer protection issues, and internet communication—has sent a letter to Mark Zuckerberg requesting answers to questions it has on its trending topics section. The letter comes after Gizmodo on Monday reported on allegations by one former news curator, who worked for Facebook as a contractor, that the curation team routinely suppressed or blacklisted topics of interest to conservatives. That report also included allegations from several former curators that they used a “injection tool” to add or bump stories onto the trending module.

    The letter asks that Facebook “arrange for your staff including employees responsible for trending topics to brief committee staff on this issue.” The letter was signed by Chairman for the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation, Senator John Thune (R) from South Dakota.

    Some of the letter’s questions include:
    1) Please describe Facebook’s organization structure for the Trending Topics feature, and the steps for determining included topics. Who is ultimately responsible for approving its content?
    2) Have Facebook news curators in fact manipulated the content of the Trending Topics section, either by targeting news stories related to conservative views for exclusion or by injecting non-trending content?
    3) What steps is Facebook taking to investigate claims of politically motivated manipulation of news stories in the Trending Topics section? If such claims are substantiated, what steps will Facebook take to hold the responsible individuals accountable?
    4) In a statement responding to the allegations, Facebook has claimed to have “rigorous guidelines in place for the review team” to prevent “the suppression of political perspectives” or the “prioritization of one viewpoint ver another or one news outlet over another.”
    a. When did Facebook first introduce these guidelines?
    b. Please provide a copy of these guidelines, as well as any changes or amendments since January 2014.
    c. Does Facebook provide training for its employees related to these guidelines? If so, describe what the training consists of, as well as its frequency.
    d. How does Facebook determine compliance with these guidelines? Does it conduct audits? If so, how often? What steps are taken when a violation occurs?
    5) Does Facebook maintain a record of curators decisions to inject a story into the Trending Topics section or target a story for removal? If such a record is not maintained, can such decisions be reconstructed or determined based on an analysis of the Trending Topics product?
    a. If so, how many stories have curators excluded that represented conservative viewpoints or topics of interest to conservatives? How many stories did curators inject that were not, in fact, trending?
    b. Please provide a list of all news stories removed from or injected into the Trending Topics section since January 2014.
    Chairman Thune’s Letter to Mark Zuckerberg

    these GOP monkeys we have on capital hill sure love to waste our fucking time don't they. For starters I have to wonder is Facebook under any sort of legal obligation to answer this letter? My guess is they aren't. Facebook isn't a public entity, it's private. They can show whatever the fuck they want on their website. You don't like the news facebook chooses to bring you? then don't use their site.

    You GOP'rs are so fucking absurd. It's no wonder why they can't get anything done. They spend their time on this kind of crap. All the while they try and shut the government down any chance they get.

    Get a fucking life you republican scumbags.
    You stupid shitpackers can't even figure out where to go to the bathroom. Didn't know it was ever a problem except for like 1000 people? And by the way, the needs of the many yadda yadda yadda..

    http://www.teenvogue.com/story/trans...ghts-restrooms

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    4dragons "You did your nice little conservative hit job. You got that little smirk on your face and you think you're so clever." hahaha Bill Clinton

    From the same people who brought us the fair and balanced news station. Are you sure you want to have this debate?

    Some people say Druff and 4dragons are freaking out over the election. Haha you guys are awesome.

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    What's to freak out about? Druff must be beside himself with Trump in this thing, but i'm happy as a clam that the one I thought would go all the way, has done exactly that.

    Now if a story comes along that avails itself to an 'I told you so', i'm not above rubbing your noses in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4Dragons View Post
    What's to freak out about? Druff must be beside himself with Trump in this thing, but i'm happy as a clam that the one I thought would go all the way, has done exactly that.

    Now if a story comes along that avails itself to an 'I told you so', i'm not above rubbing your noses in it.
    I deserve many "I told you so's". I didn't think Trump could win the Republican nomination. Not because he's rude or crass, or that he has no experience, or that he really doesn't understand public policy or basic government, but because he is literally not a Republican in any way. I really thought Republican voters would vote for a Republican, with Republican policy ideas.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deal View Post
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    This is how Republicans win elections despite the large majority of Americans wanting a national health care system, strong environmental protection and gun control.
    The majority of Americans want to be Canadians? Cool. Drop by tonight. Enjoy some local craft beer and the hockey game. The basketball game will be on mute on the other telly.
    They try to visit Canada, but keep getting turned away if they have the slightest legal problem from their past:

    http://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sho...demeanor-in-US

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    Facebook news selection is in hands of editors not algorithms, documents show

    Leaked documents show how Facebook, now the biggest news distributor on the planet, relies on old-fashioned news values on top of its algorithms to determine what the hottest stories will be for the 1 billion people who visit the social network every day.


    The documents, given to the Guardian, come amid growing concerns over how Facebook decides what is news for its users. This week the company was accused of an editorial bias against conservative news organizations, prompting calls for a congressional inquiry from the US Senate commerce committee chair, John Thune.


    The boilerplate about its news operations provided to customers by the company suggests that much of its news gathering is determined by machines: “The topics you see are based on a number of factors including engagement, timeliness, Pages you’ve liked and your location,” says a page devoted to the question “How does Facebook determine what topics are trending?”



    The inside story of Facebook’s biggest setback


    But the documents show that the company relies heavily on the intervention of a small editorial team to determine what makes its “trending module” headlines – the list of news topics that shows up on the side of the browser window on Facebook’s desktop version. The company backed away from a pure-algorithm approach in 2014 after criticism that it had not included enough coverage of unrest in Ferguson, Missouri, in users’ feeds.


    The guidelines show human intervention – and therefore editorial decisions – at almost every stage of Facebook’s trending news operation, a team that at one time was as few as 12 people:



    • A team of news editors working in shifts around the clock was instructed on how to “inject” stories into the trending topics module, and how to “blacklist” topics for removal for up to a day over reasons including “doesn’t represent a real-world event”, left to the discretion of the editors.
    • The company wrote that “the editorial team CAN [sic] inject a newsworthy topic” as well if users create something that attracts a lot of attention, for example #BlackLivesMatter.
    • Facebook relies heavily on just 10 news sources to determine whether a trending news story has editorial authority. “You should mark a topic as ‘National Story’ importance if it is among the 1-3 top stories of the day,” reads the trending review guidelines for the US. “We measure this by checking if it is leading at least 5 of the following 10 news websites: BBC News, CNN, Fox News, The Guardian, NBC News, The New York Times, USA Today, The Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, Yahoo News or Yahoo.”
    • Strict guidelines are enforced around Facebook’s “involved in this story” feature, which pulls information from Facebook pages of newsmakers – say, a sports star or a famous author. The guidelines give editors ways to determine which users’ pages are appropriate to cite, and how prominently.



    ORIGINAL DOC: https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...ml#document/p1




    The company’s guidelines are very similar to a traditional news organization’s, with a style guide reminiscent of the Associated Press guide, a list of trusted sources and instructions for determining newsworthiness. (The Guardian also obtained the guidelines for moderating the “in the story” feature, now called “involved in this story”; the guidelines for the company’s Facebook Paper app; and a broader editorial guide for the app.)


    The guidelines are sure to bolster arguments that Facebook has made discriminatory editorial decisions against rightwing media. Conservatives would label the majority of Facebook’s primary sources as liberal.


    They also appear to undermine claims this week from Facebook’s vice-president of search, Tom Stocky, who posted a statement addressing the controversy on 9 May. “We do not insert stories artificially into trending topics, and do not instruct our reviewers to do so,” he wrote.


    Stocky’s statement may depend on the definition of the word “artificially”. In interviews with the Guardian, three former editors said they had indeed inserted stories that were not visible to users into the trending feed in order to make the experience more topical. All denied personal bias, but all said the human element was vital.


    A second list, of 1,000 trusted sources, was provided to the Guardian by Facebook. It includes prominent conservative news outlets such as Redstate, Breitbart, the Drudge Report and the Daily Caller.


    Former employees who worked in Facebook’s news organization said that they did not agree with the Gizmodo report on Monday alleging partisan misconduct on the part of the social network. They did admit the presence of human judgment in part because the company’s algorithm did not always create the best possible mix of news.


    Specifically, complaints about the absence from trending feeds of news reports about clashes between protesters and police in Ferguson in 2014 were evidence to Facebook that – in the specific case of the trending module – humans had better news judgment than the company’s algorithm. Multiple news stories criticized Facebook for apparently prioritizing Ice Bucket Challenge videos over the riots. Many said the incident proved that Twitter was the place for hard news, and Facebook was a destination for fluff.


    “The guidelines demonstrate that we have a series of checks and balances in place to help surface the most important popular stories, regardless of where they fall on the ideological spectrum,” said Justin Osofsky, Facebook’s vice-president of global operations. “Facebook does not allow or advise our reviewers to systematically discriminate against sources of any political origin, period. What these guidelines show is that we’ve approached this responsibly and with the goal of creating a high-quality product – in the hopes of delivering a meaningful experience for the people who use our service.


    “Trending Topics uses a variety of mechanisms to help surface events and topics that are happening in the real world. In our guidelines, we rely on more than a thousand sources of news – from around the world, and of all sizes and viewpoints – to help verify and characterize world events and what people are talking about. The intent of verifying against news outlets is to surface topics that are meaningful to people and newsworthy. We have at no time sought to weight any one viewpoint over another, and in fact our guidelines are designed with the intent to make sure we do not do so.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToasterOven View Post
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    What's to freak out about? Druff must be beside himself with Trump in this thing, but i'm happy as a clam that the one I thought would go all the way, has done exactly that.

    Now if a story comes along that avails itself to an 'I told you so', i'm not above rubbing your noses in it.
    I deserve many "I told you so's". I didn't think Trump could win the Republican nomination. Not because he's rude or crass, or that he has no experience, or that he really doesn't understand public policy or basic government, but because he is literally not a Republican in any way. I really thought Republican voters would vote for a Republican, with Republican policy ideas.
    Where were you when Obama was being elected. No experience, no accomplishments, Rev wright ect ect.

    4d is running hot in this thread.

    No we have the GOP claiming who is a real conservative, lol.
    Where was the GOP over the last 12 years. Now there going to lose there corrupt cronieism and there screaming. " conservative " lolx2.

    The GOP is just pissed that there fat cat cronieism is on the hook and when we make deals with other countries that we actually use leverage to benefit American s. Excuse me if that sounds offensive to them.

    Trump is who we need NOW!!

    I'm not going to get cought up arguing over bathrooms and cakes. That's exactly what the GOP wants while we sacrifice more and more for less and they create generational wealth for themselves..

    Do you hear that noise fellas??? It the click clack of the guiatines being built and we are storming the Bastille while our "conservative" leaders are eating cake..

    All the jerks on fox arguing trump isn't a conservative, lol..the majority of Americans no longer have the luxury to argue micro aggressions. There's no jobs at living or upwardly successfull wages..

    All those so called Republicans arguing about conservative things now??? There just worried about the next 100 million there going to make and send it off shore..

    PAUL RYAN IS SO WORRIED ABOUT ENTITMEMENTS FOR THE WORKING CLASS BUT DOES LITTLE ABOUT CORPORATE WELFARE OR MIDDLE CLASS REDISTRUTION OF OUR MIDDLE CLASS TO THE 3RD WORLD. ITS ALL A CON GAME THAT WOULD MAKE ORWELL PROUD.

    I DARE SAY TRUMP IS!!!! MORE CONSERVATIVE THEN RYAN.

    RYAN CONSERVATISM ONLY COUNTS TOWARDS THE WORKING POOR THEN HE BECOMES A LIBERAL TO EVERYBODY ELSE.

     
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    I deserve many "I told you so's". I didn't think Trump could win the Republican nomination. Not because he's rude or crass, or that he has no experience, or that he really doesn't understand public policy or basic government, but because he is literally not a Republican in any way. I really thought Republican voters would vote for a Republican, with Republican policy ideas.
    Where were you when Obama was being elected. No experience, no accomplishments, Rev wright ect ect.

    4d is running hot in this thread.

    No we have the GOP claiming who is a real conservative, lol.
    Where was the GOP over the last 12 years. Now there going to lose there corrupt cronieism and there screaming. " conservative " lolx2.

    The GOP is just pissed that there fat cat cronieism is on the hook and when we make deals with other countries that we actually use leverage to benefit American s. Excuse me if that sounds offensive to them.

    Trump is who we need NOW!!

    I'm not going to get cought up arguing over bathrooms and cakes. That's exactly what the GOP wants while we sacrifice more and more for less and they create generational wealth for themselves..

    Do you hear that noise fellas??? It the click clack of the guiatines being built and we are storming the Bastille while our "conservative" leaders are eating cake..

    All the jerks on fox arguing trump isn't a conservative, lol..the majority of Americans no longer have the luxury to argue micro aggressions. There's no jobs at living or upwardly successfull wages..

    All those so called Republicans arguing about conservative things now??? There just worried about the next 100 million there going to make and send it off shore..

    PAUL RYAN IS SO WORRIED ABOUT ENTITMEMENTS FOR THE WORKING CLASS BUT DOES LITTLE ABOUT CORPORATE WELFARE OR MIDDLE CLASS REDISTRUTION OF OUR MIDDLE CLASS TO THE 3RD WORLD. ITS ALL A CON GAME THAT WOULD MAKE ORWELL PROUD.

    I DARE SAY TRUMP IS!!!! MORE CONSERVATIVE THEN RYAN.

    RYAN CONSERVATISM ONLY COUNTS TOWARDS THE WORKING POOR THEN HE BECOMES A LIBERAL TO EVERYBODY ELSE.

    Look who's baaaaaaaack..



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