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    Liberals Can't Win An Arguement On Facebook, So Facebook Suppresses Conservative News

    File this in the 'no shit sherlock' bin.


    http://gizmodo.com/former-facebook-w...ser-1775461006

    Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News


    Facebook workers routinely suppressed news stories of interest to conservative readers from the social network’s influential “trending” news section, according to a former journalist who worked on the project. This individual says that workers prevented stories about the right-wing CPAC gathering, Mitt Romney, Rand Paul, and other conservative topics from appearing in the highly-influential section, even though they were organically trending among the site’s users.

    Several former Facebook “news curators,” as they were known internally, also told Gizmodo that they were instructed to artificially “inject” selected stories into the trending news module, even if they weren’t popular enough to warrant inclusion—or in some cases weren’t trending at all. The former curators, all of whom worked as contractors, also said they were directed not to include news about Facebook itself in the trending module.

    In other words, Facebook’s news section operates like a traditional newsroom, reflecting the biases of its workers and the institutional imperatives of the corporation. Imposing human editorial values onto the lists of topics an algorithm spits out is by no means a bad thing—but it is in stark contrast to the company’s claims that the trending module simply lists “topics that have recently become popular on Facebook.”

    These new allegations emerged after Gizmodo last week revealed details about the inner workings of Facebook’s trending news team—a small group of young journalists, primarily educated at Ivy League or private East Coast universities, who curate the “trending” module on the upper-right-hand corner of the site. As we reported last week, curators have access to a ranked list of trending topics surfaced by Facebook’s algorithm, which prioritizes the stories that should be shown to Facebook users in the trending section. The curators write headlines and summaries of each topic, and include links to news sites. The section, which launched in 2014, constitutes some of the most powerful real estate on the internet and helps dictate what news Facebook’s users—167 million in the US alone—are reading at any given moment.
    “I believe it had a chilling effect on conservative news.” “Depending on who was on shift, things would be blacklisted or trending,” said the former curator. This individual asked to remain anonymous, citing fear of retribution from the company. The former curator is politically conservative, one of a very small handful of curators with such views on the trending team. “I’d come on shift and I’d discover that CPAC or Mitt Romney or Glenn Beck or popular conservative topics wouldn’t be trending because either the curator didn’t recognize the news topic or it was like they had a bias against Ted Cruz.”
    The former curator was so troubled by the omissions that they kept a running log of them at the time; this individual provided the notes to Gizmodo. Among the deep-sixed or suppressed topics on the list: former IRS official Lois Lerner, who was accused by Republicans of inappropriately scrutinizing conservative groups; Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker; popular conservative news aggregator the Drudge Report; Chris Kyle, the former Navy SEAL who was murdered in 2013; and former Fox News contributor Steven Crowder. “I believe it had a chilling effect on conservative news,” the former curator said.


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    Another former curator agreed that the operation had an aversion to right-wing news sources. “It was absolutely bias. We were doing it subjectively. It just depends on who the curator is and what time of day it is,” said the former curator. “Every once in awhile a Red State or conservative news source would have a story. But we would have to go and find the same story from a more neutral outlet that wasn’t as biased.”

    Stories covered by conservative outlets (like Breitbart, Washington Examiner, and Newsmax) that were trending enough to be picked up by Facebook’s algorithm were excluded unless mainstream sites like the New York Times, the BBC, and CNN covered the same stories.


    Other former curators interviewed by Gizmodo denied consciously suppressing conservative news, and we were unable to determine if left-wing news topics or sources were similarly suppressed. The conservative curator described the omissions as a function of his colleagues’ judgements; there is no evidence that Facebook management mandated or was even aware of any political bias at work.

    Managers on the trending news team did, however, explicitly instruct curators to artificially manipulate the trending module in a different way: When users weren’t reading stories that management viewed as important, several former workers said, curators were told to put them in the trending news feed anyway. Several former curators described using something called an “injection tool” to push topics into the trending module that weren’t organically being shared or discussed enough to warrant inclusion—putting the headlines in front of thousands of readers rather than allowing stories to surface on their own. In some cases, after a topic was injected, it actually became the number one trending news topic on Facebook.

    “We were told that if we saw something, a news story that was on the front page of these ten sites, like CNN, the New York Times, and BBC, then we could inject the topic,” said one former curator. “If it looked like it had enough news sites covering the story, we could inject it—even if it wasn’t naturally trending.” Sometimes, breaking news would be injected because it wasn’t attaining critical mass on Facebook quickly enough to be deemed “trending” by the algorithm. Former curators cited the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 and the Charlie Hebdo attacks in Paris as two instances in which non-trending stories were forced into the module. Facebook has struggled to compete with Twitter when it comes to delivering real-time news to users; the injection tool may have been designed to artificially correct for that deficiency in the network. “We would get yelled at if it was all over Twitter and not on Facebook,” one former curator said.

    “Facebook got a lot of pressure about not having a trending topic for Black Lives Matter.” In other instances, curators would inject a story—even if it wasn’t being widely discussed on Facebook—because it was deemed important for making the network look like a place where people talked about hard news. “People stopped caring about Syria,” one former curator said. “[And] if it wasn’t trending on Facebook, it would make Facebook look bad.” That same curator said the Black Lives Matter movement was also injected into Facebook’s trending news module. “Facebook got a lot of pressure about not having a trending topic for Black Lives Matter,” the individual said. “They realized it was a problem, and they boosted it in the ordering. They gave it preference over other topics. When we injected it, everyone started saying, ‘Yeah, now I’m seeing it as number one’.” This particular injection is especially noteworthy because the #BlackLivesMatter movement originated on Facebook, and the ensuing media coverage of the movement often noted its powerful social media presence.
    (In February, CEO Mark Zuckerberg expressed his support for the movement in an internal memo chastising Facebook employees for defacing Black Lives Matter slogans on the company’s internal “signature wall.”)
    When stories about Facebook itself would trend organically on the network, news curators used less discretion—they were told not to include these stories at all. “When it was a story about the company, we were told not to touch it,” said one former curator. “It had to be cleared through several channels, even if it was being shared quite a bit. We were told that we should not be putting it on the trending tool.”

    (The curators interviewed for this story worked for Facebook across a timespan ranging from mid-2014 to December 2015.)

    “We were always cautious about covering Facebook,” said another former curator. “We would always wait to get second level approval before trending something to Facebook. Usually we had the authority to trend anything on our own [but] if it was something involving Facebook, the copy editor would call their manager, and that manager might even call their manager before approving a topic involving Facebook.”

    Gizmodo reached out to Facebook for comment about each of these specific claims via email and phone, but did not receive a response.

    Several former curators said that as the trending news algorithm improved, there were fewer instances of stories being injected. They also said that the trending news process was constantly being changed, so there’s no way to know exactly how the module is run now. But the revelations undermine any presumption of Facebook as a neutral pipeline for news, or the trending news module as an algorithmically-driven list of what people are actually talking about.

    Rather, Facebook’s efforts to play the news game reveal the company to be much like the news outlets it is rapidly driving toward irrelevancy: a select group of professionals with vaguely center-left sensibilities. It just happens to be one that poses as a neutral reflection of the vox populi, has the power to influence what billions of users see, and openly discusses whether it should use that power to influence presidential elections.

    “It wasn’t trending news at all,” said the former curator who logged conservative news omissions. “It was an opinion.”


    [Disclosure: Facebook has launched a program that pays publishers, including the New York Times and Buzzfeed, to produce videos for its Facebook Live tool. Gawker Media, Gizmodo’s parent company, recently joined that program.]

     
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    In related news there's an article on the front page of the LA Times (oh the irony) about Hillary's Super PAC to stop trolls

    http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-n...htmlstory.html

    Maybe we'll get some new posters here

    :lgwc

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    Quote Originally Posted by gauchojake View Post
    In related news there's an article on the front page of the LA Times (oh the irony) about Hillary's Super PAC to stop trolls

    http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-n...htmlstory.html

    Maybe we'll get some new posters here
    Went up against one that was himself trolling a conservative tube channel: Newsmax

    Idiot came in trying to get people to leave the channel posing as a government NSA worker or some stupid shit. Saying that it was going to report all of our user names to the FBI if we didn't leave. I went after it and told it that it was impersonating a government employee and was committing a felony. 'it' then went all over the net and dox'd me in live chat, which is funny because i'm not hiding, I was using my real name account. After flagging its posts and account page, it finally 'disappeared'.

    Was fun, would do again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gauchojake View Post
    In related news there's an article on the front page of the LA Times (oh the irony) about Hillary's Super PAC to stop trolls

    http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-n...htmlstory.html

    Maybe we'll get some new posters here
    So now the Clinton Super PAC is paying internet trolls to troll other trolls?

    And the justification is that Hillary supporters don't typically show much passion online for her, so they have to manufacture fake passionate supporters to counter actual supporters of other candidates?

    Hilarious. You can't make this shit up.

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    Regarding Facebook, yeah... I definitely noticed the "trending" section almost never contains pro-conservative news, but is full of news stories which make conservatives look bad.

    Very shocking that this behavior is coming from a Bay Area based company.

    Liberals will still deny that there's any kind of media bias though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by gauchojake View Post
    In related news there's an article on the front page of the LA Times (oh the irony) about Hillary's Super PAC to stop trolls

    http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-n...htmlstory.html

    Maybe we'll get some new posters here
    So now the Clinton Super PAC is paying internet trolls to troll other trolls?

    And the justification is that Hillary supporters don't typically show much passion online for her, so they have to manufacture fake passionate supporters to counter actual supporters of other candidates?

    Hilarious. You can't make this shit up.

    They've been doing this for years. If you can't get people to support your views, use deceit and the semblance of popularity to give the appearance that your views are not only popular, but the majority.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing

    Astroturfing is the practice of masking the sponsors of a message or organization (e.g., political, advertising, religious or public relations) to make it appear as though it originates from and is supported by a grassroots participant(s). It is a practice intended to give the statements or organizations credibility by withholding information about the source's financial connection. The term astroturfing is derived from AstroTurf, a brand of synthetic carpeting designed to resemble natural grass, as a play on the word "grassroots." The implication behind the use of the term is that there are no "true" or "natural" grassroots, but rather "fake" or "artificial" support, although some astroturfing operatives defend the practice (see Justification below).

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    Possibly because a lot of the conservative "news" is straight bullshit. Case in point about a pol I don't like, but who has been the target of countless bullshit politically motivated lies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MumblesBadly View Post
    Possibly because a lot of the conservative "news" is straight bullshit. Case in point about a pol I don't like, but who has been the target of countless bullshit politically motivated lies.

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    A FUCKING MEME??

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4Dragons View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post

    So now the Clinton Super PAC is paying internet trolls to troll other trolls?

    And the justification is that Hillary supporters don't typically show much passion online for her, so they have to manufacture fake passionate supporters to counter actual supporters of other candidates?

    Hilarious. You can't make this shit up.

    They've been doing this for years. If you can't get people to support your views, use deceit and the semblance of popularity to give the appearance that your views are not only popular, but the majority.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing

    Astroturfing is the practice of masking the sponsors of a message or organization (e.g., political, advertising, religious or public relations) to make it appear as though it originates from and is supported by a grassroots participant(s). It is a practice intended to give the statements or organizations credibility by withholding information about the source's financial connection. The term astroturfing is derived from AstroTurf, a brand of synthetic carpeting designed to resemble natural grass, as a play on the word "grassroots." The implication behind the use of the term is that there are no "true" or "natural" grassroots, but rather "fake" or "artificial" support, although some astroturfing operatives defend the practice (see Justification below).
    This is how Republicans win elections despite the large majority of Americans wanting a national health care system, strong environmental protection and gun control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hongkonger View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by 4Dragons View Post


    They've been doing this for years. If you can't get people to support your views, use deceit and the semblance of popularity to give the appearance that your views are not only popular, but the majority.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing

    Astroturfing is the practice of masking the sponsors of a message or organization (e.g., political, advertising, religious or public relations) to make it appear as though it originates from and is supported by a grassroots participant(s). It is a practice intended to give the statements or organizations credibility by withholding information about the source's financial connection. The term astroturfing is derived from AstroTurf, a brand of synthetic carpeting designed to resemble natural grass, as a play on the word "grassroots." The implication behind the use of the term is that there are no "true" or "natural" grassroots, but rather "fake" or "artificial" support, although some astroturfing operatives defend the practice (see Justification below).
    This is how Republicans win elections despite the large majority of Americans wanting a national health care system, strong environmental protection and gun control.
    And by majority you mean women. /thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Regarding Facebook, yeah... I definitely noticed the "trending" section almost never contains pro-conservative news, but is full of news stories which make conservatives look bad.

    Very shocking that this behavior is coming from a Bay Area based company.

    Liberals will still deny that there's any kind of media bias though.
    I'm not a Clinton guy. I'm just not. Every time I log into FB to see my friends ugly kids there is a Hillary ad.

    You need to make money eventually.

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    "The very fact that she had an unsecured server is breaking the law"


    Perhaps its because of statements like this that Facebook saw no equity in allowing 'conservatives' to projectile vomit their ignorant, desperate hyperbole all over their community.
    "Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky

    "America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    "The very fact that she had an unsecured server is breaking the law"


    Perhaps its because of statements like this that Facebook saw no equity in allowing 'conservatives' to projectile vomit their ignorant, desperate hyperbole all over their community.
    No problem with blatant lies about healthcare reform or literally any other social justice horseshit.. but hey.. that's ok.

    PS, the one thing that hasn't been talked about is that Facebook is a private company and can publish or disregard whatever it wants to. I'll be the first to say it, and in the same breath I have no problem pointing out the disregard of opinion from the thin skinned bitches who cannot have their agenda unless they rig the system. Lying by omission is totally cool with you though. Good to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    "The very fact that she had an unsecured server is breaking the law"


    Perhaps its because of statements like this that Facebook saw no equity in allowing 'conservatives' to projectile vomit their ignorant, desperate hyperbole all over their community.

    The only ignorance is when you compare what someone factually did that in any other circumstance is illegal, or that in this circumstance, that this other person is held to a different standard than other mortals. Therefore not guilty because she's better than you. Not me mind you, just you.

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    Yes, their aversion to apocalyptic rhetoric from the hearts and minds of the habitually ignorant was noted earlier. You can keep packaging it in whatever Fox news hashtags you want, I doubt it will take you any further than it did the first time tho.

     
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    "Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky

    "America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs

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    Quote Originally Posted by MumblesBadly View Post
    Possibly because a lot of the conservative "news" is straight bullshit. Case in point about a pol I don't like, but who has been the target of countless bullshit politically motivated lies.

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    People tell me to LOOK UP THE TRUTH and to not just believe certain sources, but how in the fuck can I justify my time in doing so, when everyone spins bullshit so frequently. Do you believe social media, news sites, reporters, etc? There is too much crap out there for me to give a shit.


    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-...investigation/

    Hillary Clinton to be interviewed in FBI email investigation


    THIS is why Bernie should stay in the race. I still have 20:1 odds on Biden jumping in.

     
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    Also we shouldnt discount the possibility that the source of this article is a disgruntled employee making shit up.
    "Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky

    "America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs

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    Facebook Rebuffs Report of Conservative News Suppression

    Amir Nasr | May 9, 2016


    Facebook is denying the validity of a Gizmodo report published Monday citing anonymous former employees who said the curation process of Facebook’s “trending” news section was manipulated to stifle news stories cultivating interest among conservative readers.

    A Facebook spokesperson said the review team follows“rigorous guidelines” established to “ensure consistency and neutrality,” in a statement provided to Morning Consult.
    “These guidelines do not permit the suppression of political perspectives. Nor do they permit the prioritization of one viewpoint over another or one news outlet over another,” the spokesperson added. “These guidelines do not prohibit any news outlet from appearing in Trending Topics.

    An unnamed former journalist who worked on Facebook’s trending news section said workers “routinely suppressed” story lines that interested conservative individuals, according to Gizmodo. The outlet also reported that “several” curators for the project said they were directed to insert specific stories into the platform even if they didn’t garner adequate attention.

    “Depending on who was on shift, things would be blacklisted or trending,” one anonymous former employee told Gizmodo. “I’d come on shift and I’d discover that CPAC or Mitt Romney or Glenn Beck or popular conservative topics wouldn’t be trending because either the curator didn’t recognize the news topic or it was like they had a bias against Ted Cruz.”

    “We take allegations of bias very seriously,” Facebook’s spokesperson added. “Facebook is a platform for people and perspectives from across the political spectrum. Trending Topics shows you the popular topics and hashtags that are being talked about on Facebook.”

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