Time to get on the TRUMP train

[Dan Druff]

Hillary tweeting unfunny "covfefe" jokes, whether written by herself or her staffers, is not a good look.

While Trump has not been a gracious winner, Hillary has been an incredibly sore (and delusional) loser.

[hongkonger]

I actually agree we need to hold some big polluting rich countries like China to the same standard as the EU/US and they should face real consequences for failing to meet their targets. But just pulling out and telling the world to GFY isn't the solution.

[tyde]

Hillary tweeting unfunny "covfefe" jokes, whether written by herself or her staffers, is not a good look.

While Trump has not been a gracious winner, Hillary has been an incredibly sore (and delusional) loser.

[Daly]

I've see this all Over the Internet

Countries not in the agreement. Countries in the agreement
USA Rest of the world
Syria
Nicaragua

How about this one?

Countries paying for the agreement Countries not paying for the agreement
USA Rest of the world

Why is it such an awful thing to say this is a shitty deal? It's literally the same argument as NATO.

[Lord of the Fraud]

So China and India get to set ridiculous benchmarks that are completely meaningless and get to haul in a bunch of cash and we are ok with this? How about we keep the same deal but we get to set the standards and if they don't make them there is accountability?

I don't think shipping off a bunch of cash with potentially nothing to show for it is something most Americans are in favor in when explained in those terms. I mean I'm sure every country in this thing is going into this with the best of intentions, but I don't think pulling out and saying we should have a better deal is a bad thing here.

And lol at "the entire rest Of the world" (the population that won't be getting our free cash) being upset we are leaving. Well no shit.

I agree with this.

Trump has said and done some dumb things while in office, but he was actually correct when he said, "This is a bad deal for the USA."

I don't like the "Let's spend big money on what should be a shared responsibility because the other countries don't want to" method of environmental policy.

It just gives further reinforcement to countries like China that they can do whatever the fuck they want to benefit themselves, and the US will pay to clean up their mess.

In fairness to China, America was spewing out huge amounts of harmful emissions for decades long before China rose up the spew leader board.

America has created wayyy more pollution than anybody else since the industrial revolution.

America owed this to the world. You shower of cunts.

[Tellafriend]

Do you really believe we can trust China to keep their end of anything up? Come on. You know better.

As for the billions, just hold back a couple that we gave Iran. LOL. What a fucking joke.

Do you really believe that China wouldnt embrace emissions reduction if it crippled our ability to negotiate competitive trade deals?


Wait you just suggested we use a sovereign nations money to solve our economic problems, never mind. Do your thing baby.

Sarcasm my man, sarcasm. But sure, a few billion will really do a lot to help the planet.

[thesidedish]

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[Dan Druff]

I agree with this.

Trump has said and done some dumb things while in office, but he was actually correct when he said, "This is a bad deal for the USA."

I don't like the "Let's spend big money on what should be a shared responsibility because the other countries don't want to" method of environmental policy.

It just gives further reinforcement to countries like China that they can do whatever the fuck they want to benefit themselves, and the US will pay to clean up their mess.

In fairness to China, America was spewing out huge amounts of harmful emissions for decades long before China rose up the spew leader board.

America has created wayyy more pollution than anybody else since the industrial revolution.

America owed this to the world. You shower of cunts.

America led the industrial revolution in its second phase (and ever since), so that makes sense. Environmental concerns only began about 70 years ago.

The US has done a great job with curbing pollution in the last few decades.

If China doesn't play ball, much of what the US does on the environmental front will be largely ineffective.

It would be like a neat freak living with a major slob. Even if the neat freak does not contribute to the mess at all, the apartment will still be filthy.

[Dan Druff]

China simply doesn't give a shit, though.

That's the elephant in the room -- one ignored by environmentalists for decades.

China lives for the moment. They don't care about the planet, and they don't care about the future. Their entire motivation is derived from succeeding now, and as quickly and efficiently as possible.

You can pass all the feelgood environmental resolutions you want, but if a major player is opting out, then ultimately the same problem will be staring us in the face.

[Daly]

I agree with this.

Trump has said and done some dumb things while in office, but he was actually correct when he said, "This is a bad deal for the USA."

I don't like the "Let's spend big money on what should be a shared responsibility because the other countries don't want to" method of environmental policy.

It just gives further reinforcement to countries like China that they can do whatever the fuck they want to benefit themselves, and the US will pay to clean up their mess.

In fairness to China, America was spewing out huge amounts of harmful emissions for decades long before China rose up the spew leader board.

America has created wayyy more pollution than anybody else since the industrial revolution.

America owed this to the world. You shower of cunts.

We going to open this up to a conversation about what the USA owes the rest of the world?

[sonatine]

MIT is pointing out that despite Trump quoting their research in his bizarre justification for leaving the agreement, his actual quote indicates had absolutely no understanding regarding what MIT's research actually was or meant.


Thats fucking super.

[Lord of the Fraud]

In fairness to China, America was spewing out huge amounts of harmful emissions for decades long before China rose up the spew leader board.

America has created wayyy more pollution than anybody else since the industrial revolution.

America owed this to the world. You shower of cunts.

America led the industrial revolution in its second phase (and ever since), so that makes sense. Environmental concerns only began about 70 years ago.

The US has done a great job with curbing pollution in the last few decades.

If China doesn't play ball, much of what the US does on the environmental front will be largely ineffective.

It would be like a neat freak living with a major slob. Even if the neat freak does not contribute to the mess at all, the apartment will still be filthy.

Rubbish. America for years avoided signing up to various climate treaties that were just waiting to be signed. Notably a major one in Brazil that would've changed everything. We begged, but you walked away because greed and corruption.

Also. China has 1.4 billion citizens and this agreement will start a snowball effect to wider green energy.

[Dan Druff]

America led the industrial revolution in its second phase (and ever since), so that makes sense. Environmental concerns only began about 70 years ago.

The US has done a great job with curbing pollution in the last few decades.

If China doesn't play ball, much of what the US does on the environmental front will be largely ineffective.

It would be like a neat freak living with a major slob. Even if the neat freak does not contribute to the mess at all, the apartment will still be filthy.

Rubbish. America for years avoided signing up to various climate treaties that were just waiting to be signed. Notably a major one in Brazil that would've changed everything. We begged, but you walked away because greed and corruption.

Also. China has 1.4 billion citizens and this agreement will start a snowball effect to wider green energy.

Wait, so you are claiming that America hasn't greatly improved their pollution situation and tightened environmental regulations over the past 40 years?



At least learn a bit about what goes on in the US before talking your shit about it.

[sonatine]

China also has a vastly superior education system, so when they look at the numbers and see the cost of millions and millions of preventable illnesses, they act.

They do not stand tall and say 'we are all doomed but Christ will surely save us'.

http://time.com/4800000/tim-walberg-god-climate-change/

[sonatine]

Rubbish. America for years avoided signing up to various climate treaties that were just waiting to be signed. Notably a major one in Brazil that would've changed everything. We begged, but you walked away because greed and corruption.

Also. China has 1.4 billion citizens and this agreement will start a snowball effect to wider green energy.

Wait, so you are claiming that America hasn't greatly improved their pollution situation and tightened environmental regulations over the past 40 years?



At least learn a bit about what goes on in the US before talking your shit about it.

Well we did, but then your party voted in Trump and now all those regulations are being rolled back.

I'm sure Rush Limbaugh would have clued you into this any day now tho.

[hongkonger]

All the biggest companies in America, who create the jobs Trump claims to be protecting, are pissed at him. Microsoft, Google, uber, Tesla, IBM, sales force, GE, even Shell lol. They all know this is bad for business and bad for America in the long run.

[Dan Druff]

The regulations rolled back plus anything further Trump plans to do will nowhere near rival our environmental pollution situation in the '80s and '90s.

Keep in mind that environmental issues are where I break from the Republican Party line most often, but this time I cannot blame Trump for backing away from having the US shouldering most of the burden.

[Lord of the Fraud]

Rubbish. America for years avoided signing up to various climate treaties that were just waiting to be signed. Notably a major one in Brazil that would've changed everything. We begged, but you walked away because greed and corruption.

Also. China has 1.4 billion citizens and this agreement will start a snowball effect to wider green energy.

Wait, so you are claiming that America hasn't greatly improved their pollution situation and tightened environmental regulations over the past 40 years?



At least learn a bit about what goes on in the US before talking your shit about it.

Every well advanced nation has improved their pollution situation through solar, wind turbines and other such means.

But it still doesn't change the fact that you're still the second highest contributors for spewing shit into the atmosphere. Yet have the cheek to walk away from this.

So yeah. Fuck America.

[Lord of the Fraud]

And Druff, no sarcasm intended. But its good to see you posting in this thread again.

Hopefully you will stay and discuss the issues coming outa the press and Republican Party.

Napping the whole Trump thing out is proper shithousery considering you got strong political opinions.

[Daly]

China also has a vastly superior education system, so when they look at the numbers and see the cost of millions and millions of preventable illnesses, they act.

They do not stand tall and say 'we are all doomed but Christ will surely save us'.

http://time.com/4800000/tim-walberg-god-climate-change/

How Many people you ever work with from China?