thesidedish: YES I LOVE THIS IDEA, LETS SEE HOW MANY TIMES U CAN BE WRONG ABOUT THE SAME THING
HOW DAAAAAAAARE
thesidedish: YES I LOVE THIS IDEA, LETS SEE HOW MANY TIMES U CAN BE WRONG ABOUT THE SAME THING
HOW DAAAAAAAARE
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
Context
https://theintercept.com/2017/03/02/...ation-machine/We have previously estimated that taxpayer-provided health care for uninsured illegal immigrants costs $4.3 billion annually.
Confession I caught myself being biased. I was posting this to point out that Trump's a fuckin incompetent evil pile of shit for wasting this much money on broke immigrants when he could be helping them and also making the US into an unimaginable police state etc....
Then I noticed this is from 2014, from Obama. Then I was like damn we really must need that.
true story, im out.
"IMMIGRATION AND CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT is deploying a new intelligence system called Investigative Case Management (ICM), created by Palantir Technologies, that will assist in President Donald Trump’s efforts to deport millions of immigrants from the United States.
In 2014, ICE awarded Palantir, the $20 billion data-mining firm founded by billionaire Trump advisor Peter Thiel, a $41 million contract to build and maintain ICM, according to government funding records. The system is scheduled to arrive at “final operating capacity” by September of this year. The documents identify Palantir’s ICM as “mission critical” to ICE, meaning that the agency will not be able to properly function without the program.
ICM funding documents analyzed by The Intercept make clear that the system is far from a passive administrator of ICE’s case flow. ICM allows ICE agents to access a vast “ecosystem” of data to facilitate immigration officials in both discovering targets and then creating and administering cases against them. The system provides its users access to intelligence platforms maintained by the Drug Enforcement Administration, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and an array of other federal and private law enforcement entities. It can provide ICE agents access to information on a subject’s schooling, family relationships, employment information, phone records, immigration history, foreign exchange program status, personal connections, biometric traits, criminal records, and home and work addresses.
“What we have here is a growing network of interconnected databases that together are drawing in more and more information,” said Jay Stanley, a privacy expert at the American Civil Liberties Union. “If President Trump’s rhetoric on mass deportations is going to be turned into reality, then we’re going to see these tools turned in that direction, and these documents show that there are very powerful and intrusive tools that can be used toward that end.”
Although ICM appears to have been originally conceived for use by ICE’s office of Homeland Security Investigations (HSI), the system appears to be widely available to agents within ICE. Officers of ICE’s Enforcement and Removal Office (ERO) — the U.S. government’s primary deportation force — access the system to gather information for both criminal and civil cases against immigrants, according to a June 2016 disclosure by the Department of Homeland Security, although ERO will use a separate system to manage its civil cases. “HSI and ERO personnel use the information in ICM to document and inform their criminal investigative activities and to support the criminal prosecutions arising from those investigations,” states the DHS filing. “ERO also uses ICM data to inform its civil cases.”
ICE’s Office of the Principal Legal Advisor also uses ICM to represent the office in “exclusion, deportation, and removal proceedings,” among other matters, according to the DHS disclosure.
The DHS disclosure states that Homeland Security Investigations is ICM’s primary user. Although mainly tasked with investigating serious cross-border crimes like drug smuggling, human trafficking, and child pornography, HSI had also been behind some of the most controversial workplace immigration raids of the Obama administration, which immigrant advocates fear could expand massively under President Trump. HSI provided support to the Enforcement and Removal Office during last month’s high-profile enforcement surge, and just last week it was reported that HSI agents spearheaded a controversial sweep of several Asian restaurants in Mississippi that led to the agency apprehending more than 50 immigrants.
The ICM documents offer a detailed reminder of the Obama-era push to upgrade and expand the federal government’s tools to track and deport immigrants. Obama not only presided over an unprecedented number of deportations; his administration also oversaw the pronounced expansion of intelligence systems aimed at the country’s immigrants. Now the sprawling immigrant surveillance apparatus that Obama enhanced is squarely in the hands of Donald Trump to assist in carrying out his promise to rapidly deport millions of immigrants."
$20 billion to track Illegals!
That's ridiculous.
Last edited by FPS_Russia; 03-08-2017 at 03:08 AM.
just to point out even more leftists that think the ryan bill is a joke, i give you:Originally Posted by blake
come on bro, you can google any of these names and see their comments on the bill, some of which have already been posted here.
but just to do your homework for you, here is a list of the articles on that leftist propaganda site breitbart right now. you tell me if you think they like the bill (which they refer to as Obamacare 2.0)
Physicians on Ryan’s Obamacare 2.0: ‘Doomed for Failure’
http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...d-for-failure/
Mental Health and Addictions Providers Condemn Changes to Healthcare System in Paul Ryan’s Obamacare 2.0
http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...obamacare-2-0/
Pence Pushes Paul Ryan’s Obamacare Bill on Capitol Hill as House Republicans Push Back
http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...ucus-pushback/
Sean Spicer Inaccurately Claims Paul Ryan’s Health Care Bill ‘Fully’ Repeals Obamacare
http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...als-obamacare/
Senator Mike Lee Opposes Speaker Ryan’s Obamacare-Lite Bill
http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...are-lite-bill/
Obamacare 2.0 Guts Enforcement, Gives Illegal Aliens Health Care Through Identity Fraud
http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...dentity-fraud/
rush limbaugh:https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2...ce-is-anymore/RUSH: The Republican health care plan, we’re gonna get to that, too. Again, just to repeat, first glance at this, I’m scratching my head and saying, “Does anybody not know what insurance is anymore? This isn’t insurance!” That’s what health care, Obamacare and all of this stuff supposedly is about is helping people afford insurance, right? There’s nothing about insurance in this. It just looks like we’re finding ways for everybody to be able to cover every medical expense they’ve got. And, if they can’t afford it, we’ll find a way to subsidize it. It’s asinine.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...tiation-235807The Heritage Foundation’s advocacy arm called it “bad policy.” FreedomWorks panned it as “Obamacare-lite.” And the Club for Growth called it a “warmed-over substitute for government-run health care.”
and the biggest leftist site on the internet -- infowars, whose headline on the bill is:
CONSERVATIVES, LIBERTARIANS BASH “OBAMACARE LITE” REPLACEMENT BILL
GOP globalists protect Obama's legacy from Trump
https://www.infowars.com/conservativ...lacement-bill/
on morning joe, rand paul just said that the white house is on a charm offensive and has already called every conservative who is against the bill, but if the conservatives stick together, they can force a clean repeal rather than obamacare lite.
pretttttty clear that rand hates just about every part of this bill and it would need to be completely revamped for him to ever get on board with it.
i'm fucking fascinating by how trump deals with dissent from his own party
just to point out even more leftists that think the ryan bill is a joke, i give you:
rush limbaugh:https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2...ce-is-anymore/RUSH: The Republican health care plan, we’re gonna get to that, too. Again, just to repeat, first glance at this, I’m scratching my head and saying, “Does anybody not know what insurance is anymore? This isn’t insurance!” That’s what health care, Obamacare and all of this stuff supposedly is about is helping people afford insurance, right? There’s nothing about insurance in this. It just looks like we’re finding ways for everybody to be able to cover every medical expense they’ve got. And, if they can’t afford it, we’ll find a way to subsidize it. It’s asinine.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...tiation-235807The Heritage Foundation’s advocacy arm called it “bad policy.” FreedomWorks panned it as “Obamacare-lite.” And the Club for Growth called it a “warmed-over substitute for government-run health care.”
and the biggest leftist site on the internet -- infowars, whose headline on the bill is:
CONSERVATIVES, LIBERTARIANS BASH “OBAMACARE LITE” REPLACEMENT BILL
GOP globalists protect Obama's legacy from Trump
https://www.infowars.com/conservativ...lacement-bill/
I haven't read the bill so i shouldn't have given my opinion, i suggest you do the same, unless you personally read every word, or you can continue to rely on what other people say like the sheep that you are.
"Druff would suck his own dick if it were long enough"- Brandon "drexel" Gerson
"ann coulter literally has more common sense than pfa."-Sonatine
"Real grinders supports poker fraud"- Ray Davis
"DRILLED HER GOOD"- HONGKONGER
FYI Obama deported way more illegals without terrorizing good people. This is why for profit prisons are immoral and just plain dumb.dem·a·gogue
ˈdeməˌɡäɡ/
noun
a political leader who seeks support by appealing to popular desires and prejudices rather than by using rational argument.
synonyms: rabble-rouser, agitator, political agitator, soapbox orator, firebrand, fomenter, provocateur
"he was drawn into a circle of campus demagogues"
(in ancient Greece and Rome) a leader or orator who espoused the cause of the common people.
Last edited by FPS_Russia; 03-08-2017 at 08:16 AM.
Gypsies are a funny lot what they will do is move to a country live in tents till the government will step in a build them some living accommodations, nothing great but a roof over there head usually furnished. fast forward one year and you would see cows and chickens, donkeys and pigs living inside the apartments all the furniture is broken and burned there is garbage piled up so high it is a biological disaster. and they move back to there tents or to another country rinse and repeat all of this by the way is done 100% on government social system and stealing from any one they can find. they have 0.0 regard for the people around them or any inkling to contribute to there community there children will go to school some times but mostly only to steal and extort money from other children.
If the Mexicans in America are doing this in the communities were they are living i could see a reason to have at least the worst ones deported. but if they are contributing to the social system they live in and pay taxes on both ends then they should get green cards and carry on as normal.
all hail Hydra
Originally Posted by DanDruff:Since I'm a 6'2" Republican with an average-sized nose and a last name which doesn't end with "stein", "man", or "berg", I can hide among the goyim and remain undetected unless I open my mouth about money matters.
Without terrorizing good people? or did the media just not cover it as much or any at all?
Try telling the mothers and fathers that were deported under obama that they weren't "good people", dude you have a total one sided hypocritical worldview.
And trump is a Demigod IMO get over it.
"Druff would suck his own dick if it were long enough"- Brandon "drexel" Gerson
"ann coulter literally has more common sense than pfa."-Sonatine
"Real grinders supports poker fraud"- Ray Davis
"DRILLED HER GOOD"- HONGKONGER
I think there needs to be a serious line in the sand drawn between the people who support Trump versus those those who can't tolerate SJWs, social-signalers, Hillary/Obama apologists, and weaselly, fake anarchists.
While I think this new wave of progressives are the biggest bunch of under-educated, emotionally unstable lemmings around, they are closely followed by people who genuinely support Trump. And I don't mean they support Trump because they respect the office, or because they like his impact on SJW and establishment politics, but people who really think he is a smart guy and an optimal leader for our country.
If you are someone who really believes this, you are an idiot. Trump did shake things up, but he's just as much a puppet as W. Bush, Obama and Hillary. He has a Bulworth streak to him, but it's limited to others' inability to stop him from tweeting brain farts.
Only the rich get what they want out of this Obamacare repeal bill
http://www.businessinsider.com/obama...ss-rich-2017-3
If you watched any television in 2010, you might recall that the Affordable Care Act cut $500 billion from Medicare over a decade.
You probably learned that because House Republicans' campaign committee blanketed the country with ads attacking Democrats for cutting $500 billion from Medicare. "Let's save Medicare," the National Republican Congressional Committee said in one typical ad urging the election of a Republican majority. Seven years later, Republicans are fully in charge in Washington, and a "repeal" plan being considered by the House of Representatives this week would undo large parts of Obamacare. But it would leave the Medicare cuts in place. Womp womp.
Republicans can't help but break lots of promises
People oppose Obamacare for a wide variety of reasons, and Republicans capitalized on all those reasons in their campaign against the law. In doing so, they made more promises than they could deliver on.
Republicans would say in one breath that Obamacare cost the government too much money and that premiums were too high, in part because its regulations required insurance to pay for too much. In another breath, they would say that deductibles and co-payments under Obamacare insurance plans were too high - even though reducing those deductibles and co-payments would require premiums to go up .
Obamacare was financed by raising taxes and cutting Medicare. So Republicans decried the tax increases, and they decried the Medicare cuts even more loudly. But because Republicans (mostly) acknowledge the need to maintain some sort of health-insurance subsidy as a replacement for Obamacare, which will cost money, they won't be able to undo all the tax increases and all the Medicare cuts without exploding the deficit. Yet Republicans are also opposed to deficits.
Now that Republicans run the government, we are seeing which set of concerns they choose to prioritize, given limited available resources.
The unsurprising answer is that Republicans will make a priority of repealing substantially all the tax increases in Obamacare, most of which fall on people who make over $200,000 a year. If House Speaker Paul Ryan gets his way, people who hated Obamacare because of the taxes it imposed will get nearly everything they wanted. But much of the rest of the law would stay in place. And people who hated the law for non-tax reasons - they thought insurance premiums were too high (COUGH, COUGH! DRUFF) they didn't like being penalized for not having insurance, they didn't like cuts to Medicare - mostly wouldn't get what they were expecting.
Cuts for Medicare participants are here to stay
The House Republicans' plan would retain Obamacare's cuts to Medicare, including reductions to rates providers are paid for caring for Medicare patients and the elimination of bonus benefits once enjoyed by participants in private Medicare Advantage plans.
You might assume that's because the plan is not a full Obamacare repeal - as Sen. Rand Paul complains, it's "Obamacare lite." Yet the "full" repeal plan touted by conservatives, which passed Congress in 2015 and was vetoed by President Barack Obama, and which Paul said he would reintroduce in this Congress, also kept in place the cuts to Medicare benefits.
Lots of other Obamacare complaints are also unaddressed by the House plan
A lot of people don't like the individual mandate in Obamacare. The House plan would repeal the existing mandate but replace it with another one payable directly to insurance companies - a 30% penalty premium if you let your health insurance lapse.
Other people were upset about Obamacare because their healthcare costs went up - perhaps for reasons related to Obamacare, perhaps for other reasons. Yet this plan has no apparent architecture for cost control. Republicans' major cost-control idea, a cap on the tax benefit for health insurance, might have helped discourage spending growth in the long run but was scrapped in negotiations over the plan.
Of course, what consumers really care about is healthcare costs borne by them, not global costs. The Republicans' plan offers more generous healthcare subsidies to some consumers. But it also cuts the subsidies enjoyed by many, especially people who live in rural areas with high healthcare costs, and people between 50 and 64 - both disproportionately Republican groups.
The few people who like this plan care mostly about tax cuts
Because the House plan addresses so few of the objections to Obamacare, and because it would at the same time cut benefits created by Obamacare that many people rely on, the rollout of the plan has gone poorly. Moderate Republican senators are wary of big cuts to Medicaid, while conservative groups like Heritage Action for America and FreedomWorks say the plan leaves too much of Obamacare's benefits infrastructure in place. Defectors from the far right and from the center threaten passage of the plan.
But a few players have praised the plan: The Wall Street Journal editorial board, the Chamber of Commerce, and the anti-tax advocate Grover Norquist, to name a few. What these people praising it have in common is that they are mostly interested in healthcare policy because healthcare spending is paid for with taxes, and the plan would cut taxes, including by reducing capital-gains taxes on high earners by 3.8 percentage points. The biggest new tax under Obamacare is on people making over $200,000, but there are also taxes on health-insurance premiums, medical devices, branded pharmaceuticals, tanning services, and more. If you operate a tanning salon, this plan has what you wanted out of Obamacare's "repeal."
It matters which half of the loaf you get
You will see Republican leaders argue that various factors constrain what Republicans can deliver on healthcare - for example, the popularity of the requirement that insurers cover people with preexisting conditions, and the limitations on what can pass the Senate with a simple majority. Take this plan, they will say, because it's better than the status quo and we can do more later.
But the question is: better for whom?
This Obamacare repeal plan leaves out much of the wish list of the anti-Obamacare coalition. It lacks most of the deregulatory provisions that were supposed to make insurance cheaper and offset the reductions in subsidies offered to many Americans. It would likely result in millions of Americans losing health insurance. It offers no restoration of Medicare benefits to the seniors who were activated to vote Republican over Medicare cuts in the 2010 election. Yet curiously, some groups did not have to compromise: wealthy people, medical-device manufacturers, pharmaceutical companies, tanning salons.
Funny how that works, even in Donald Trump's newly populist Republican Party.
Update: An earlier version of this article said the House Republicans' replacement plan would keep only about 95% of Medicare cuts from the Affordable Care Act and would undo some cuts to Medicare payments made to hospitals to compensate them for providing care to uninsured people. This is incorrect; the replacement plan would undo cuts to such hospital payments under Medicaid, not the payments under Medicare.
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Manafort, who was the campaign manager for another one of Putin’s Puppets, Victor Yanukovych. Made a Quid Pro Quo deal w/Russia for Trump. i.e. “Pay for Play.”
Trump drops the “help for Ukraine” from the GOP platform,
Putin gives Trump the DNC emails, (via wikilweaks for plausible deniability.)
They just keep proving one thing after another from that 35 page dossier.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/kenbensinge...QNa#.hqzxZMPJN
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...anafort-235850
Kilimnik, ...., told operatives in Kiev and Washington that he met with Manafort ....................Kilimnik suggested that he had played a role in gutting a proposed amendment to the Republican Party platform that would have staked out a more adversarial stance towards Russia, according to a Kiev operative.
FYI, That agent surfaced.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...eturns-to-work
San Francisco crowned the ‘world’s best’ city to live: survey
https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/...o-live-survey/
Manafort, who was the campaign manager for another one of Putin’s Puppets, Victor Yanukovych. Made a Quid Pro Quo deal w/Russia for Trump. i.e. “Pay for Play.”
Trump drops the “help for Ukraine” from the GOP platform,
Putin gives Trump the DNC emails, (via wikilweaks for plausible deniability.)
They just keep proving one thing after another from that 35 page dossier.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/kenbensinge...QNa#.hqzxZMPJN
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...anafort-235850
Kilimnik, ...., told operatives in Kiev and Washington that he met with Manafort ....................Kilimnik suggested that he had played a role in gutting a proposed amendment to the Republican Party platform that would have staked out a more adversarial stance towards Russia, according to a Kiev operative.
FYI, That agent surfaced.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...eturns-to-work
We all know that "alleged" and "suspected" are always followed by hard hitting facts
What a fucking dumbass, can you comprehend? Comprende? Way to link 2 articles that are full of speculation, i don't expect any less from you tho
"Druff would suck his own dick if it were long enough"- Brandon "drexel" Gerson
"ann coulter literally has more common sense than pfa."-Sonatine
"Real grinders supports poker fraud"- Ray Davis
"DRILLED HER GOOD"- HONGKONGER
Trump should have been impeached already, but in today's era where nobody gives a fuck about the rules anymore and tribal politics matters more than justice, and if you believe that right makes might rather than vice versa then you're a cuck, he probably won't be.
HILLARY WON
The replacement plan sucks.
Obamacare also sucks. I know, as I have it. I could write a book about all of the FAILS I have personally experienced with it.
Both parties have no fucking clue what the real problems are with American health care.
The key here is cost control. Both parties are making zero effort to control cost of health care, but instead are playing shell games regarding who pays for it.
Right now, we have a disasterous situation where people have no clue how much their procedures and tests cost, insurance rubber-stamps nearly anything the doctor bills, and most people don't give a shit because insurance is footing all or most of the bill anyway.
Then people wonder why premiums are so high.
Some of this is due to big pharma. Some of this is due to fraud and semi-fraud. Some of this is due to a convoluted, horrible, opaque billing system which allows (and in some ways encourages) doctors to game the system.
Simply put, American health care costs are out of control, and it's ridiculous that our debates surround who pays for it (the rich? the middle class? the government? employers?) rather than getting costs under control like the rest of the world has done.
If we don't get a handle on this soon, Americans will finally get fed up to the point where a horrendous single-payer system is voted in, which will either be supported by a massive tax increase or will create a horrible haves/have-nots situation in care, where the "free" care will be terrible and the non-"free" care will be exorbitant and be 100% out of pocket.
That is our future unless we get a handle on this.
Here are some QUICK AND EASY things the US government can do to improve (but still not solve) the healthcare crisis:
1) Allow shopping for health care plans across state lines.
2) Allow medication to be purchased by mail from other first-world countries.
3) Scrap the current opaque medical billing system, and replace it with a transparent one where patients are given an estimate of services and their exact out-of-pocket costs BEFORE being treated (except in dire emergencies).
4) Kill the ridiculous "in-network" and "out-of-network" prices, where doctors are allowed to charge different people insanely different prices for the same procedure, depending upon what insurance they have. Make this practice illegal.
5) Clamp down hard on medical fraud. Pass new laws with zero-tolerance for such fraud, with stiff penalties, including mandatory prison time, high fines, and automatic loss of license. Go after some of the worst offenders and publicize it. Put doctors across the country on notice that fraud will be investigated, discovered, and taken seriously. (Right now, the problem is mostly being ignored.)
6) Eliminate one-size-fits-all pricing for health insurance by allowing insurance companies to give discounts for healthy patients (such as ones without preexisting conditions and with minimal medical claims over the past 5 years). This will properly shift some of the burden of cost to the sick, while not completely shutting them out for insurance. Provide government subsidies for the sick with the higher premiums who cannot afford it.
if the pharma industry found someone in a position to force any of that to happen, they would travel back in time and kill them in their womb.
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
Blake posted the above quote from Rush. I'll assume it's an accurate quoting of him.
Rush is correct.
Medical insurance really is looking less and less like insurance, and more like a way to figure out how to force others to foot the bill for the entirety of medical expenses for all Americans.
As I said above, we are making no control the costs of health care, but instead scrambling to find creative ways to somehow keep feeding this giant medical pig we've created.
If Democrats could come up with a sensible way to fix health care, I would support it. I'm not being a party stooge here. I hate what Republicans are trying to do at the moment, as well.
But the Democrats' solution seems to pretty much be, "Let's change nothing except tax the rich more to pay for everything", and obviously that's not the answer.
Believe it or not, I actually DO support a mandate to force people to buy health insurance, because otherwise they will just go uninsured until they need it, and then bitch about a lack of compassion if they are refused service for not being able to afford it.
Either pay into the system or GTFO.
I'm going to post the biggest Trump revelation possible right here where nobody will see it, last post on page.
This quote explains everything you're seeing.
Fox News 2014
TRUMP: You know what solves it? When the economy crashes, when the country goes to total hell and everything is a disaster. Then you’ll have a — you know, you’ll have riots to go back to where we used to be when we were great. But the fact is that it’s not easy on Republicans, because you have a lot of people that like their lives right not without working.
Go hear it for yourself.
http://shareblue.com/joe-scarborough...re-government/
He is trying to destroy this country!
the more i read the details of this health care proposal, the more im reminded that paul ryan is basically a libertarian who switched colors to take advantage of his failed VP run.
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
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