Time to get on the TRUMP train

[GringoStar]

Yea maybe they should bring back the lynch mobs. Why bother with any of this law and order stuff. Clearly a standard lynch mob is fair and just.

"Lock her up" never happened for the same reason that Pence's AOL shenanigans are deemed "legal". It's old people and computers type of an issue. If you make almost any of it punishable, you end up locking up half the politicians in America. Democrats at least know that much. Republicans either can't see that far or they are once again knowingly accusing the other side of something they are as guilty of (i believe it's tactic known as hypocrisy).

I sense you feel you are being witty and sarcastic, but you are merely demonstrating that you know absolutely nothing about the information that was leaked through the Clinton's personal servers.

I won't waste time educating you on information that I can't believe you've managed to avoid, but you also must know that Hillary didn't personally setup or destroy any of her own email accounts, so this has nothing to do with her level of tech competency. Her email and servers were setup and maintained by professional network engineers and the decisions about deleting emails and the reasoning for continuing to use personal communication was something that was reviewed by lawyers multiple times, even before she became Secretary of State.

The whole point is that she has nothing to do with Mike Pence's email. If he's guilty of breaking some policy while a Senator, he should face the consequences. His email was never subpoenaed, nor did he attain and maintain a personal server for the purpose of avoiding public scrutiny/transparency.

I know it's tempting, but pointing out that someone else fucked up doesn't absolve the other, unrelated fuck-up.

[tyde]

800 pages lol

Still going strong

#train

[Mintjewlips]

Seriously tho, i just want to know if im the only one that feels like the relationship between the Obama's and the Bush's isn't just a tad bit creepy if not awkward? And am i the only that feels like it's all a PR stunt considering the fact that according to kanye "bush doesn't like black people"?

[TheXFactor]

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[gimmick]

Yea maybe they should bring back the lynch mobs. Why bother with any of this law and order stuff. Clearly a standard lynch mob is fair and just.

"Lock her up" never happened for the same reason that Pence's AOL shenanigans are deemed "legal". It's old people and computers type of an issue. If you make almost any of it punishable, you end up locking up half the politicians in America. Democrats at least know that much. Republicans either can't see that far or they are once again knowingly accusing the other side of something they are as guilty of (i believe it's tactic known as hypocrisy).

I sense you feel you are being witty and sarcastic, but you are merely demonstrating that you know absolutely nothing about the information that was leaked through the Clinton's personal servers.

I won't waste time educating you on information that I can't believe you've managed to avoid, but you also must know that Hillary didn't personally setup or destroy any of her own email accounts, so this has nothing to do with her level of tech competency. Her email and servers were setup and maintained by professional network engineers and the decisions about deleting emails and the reasoning for continuing to use personal communication was something that was reviewed by lawyers multiple times, even before she became Secretary of State.

The whole point is that she has nothing to do with Mike Pence's email. If he's guilty of breaking some policy while a Senator, he should face the consequences. His email was never subpoenaed, nor did he attain and maintain a personal server for the purpose of avoiding public scrutiny/transparency.

I know it's tempting, but pointing out that someone else fucked up doesn't absolve the other, unrelated fuck-up.

Yea it's true Pence didn't have a personal server that was maintained by competent people. Pence did fuck all to avoid getting hacked after he had attained a personal email address with the purpose of avoiding public scrutiny/transparency. Pence's brilliant solution for secrecy was using a fucking AOL account.

I'm not sure you quite understand how elections work but the general idea is to COMPARE candidates with each other. Regarding this particular issue on one side we had competence and on the other side we had a clown fiesta.

Neither Pence nor Hillary will ever face any legal consequences for their actions. Use of personal email was/is far too prevalent.

Oh and the reason i know absolutely nothing about the information that was leaked through the Clinton's personal servers is because neither does anyone else. She was never hacked. Pence on the other hand used AOL and as a surprise to no one was hacked.

[GringoStar]

Yea it's true Pence didn't have a personal server that was maintained by competent people. Pence did fuck all to avoid getting hacked after he had attained a personal email address with the purpose of avoiding public scrutiny/transparency. Pence's brilliant solution for secrecy was using a fucking AOL account.

I'm not sure you quite understand how elections work but the general idea is to COMPARE candidates with each other. Regarding this particular issue on one side we had competence and on the other side we had a clown fiesta.

Neither Pence nor Hillary will ever face any legal consequences for their actions. Use of personal email was/is far too prevalent.

Oh and the reason i know absolutely nothing about the information that was leaked through the Clinton's personal servers is because neither does anyone else. She was never hacked. Pence on the other hand used AOL and as a surprise to no one was hacked.

Your first instinct again is to try to convince me of Pence's guilt. Again, I think Pence should probably face some kind of punitive measures if he broke any laws or policy that govern Senators. I think Pence is a disgusting douchebag, but I am also starting to think you are by deliberately re-using straw-man arguments.

Comparing Clinton to Pence as candidates is ludicrous, because he was selected by the person who was actually facing off against Hillary.

And to demolish your final point, we DO know a good amount of what was on Clintons emails you moron. In case you haven't been following the election you seem to think is still in progress, her emails were leaked. Well, they could only leak the emails that were deleted and the data (that could have been retrieved if her staff and lawyers hadn't wiped every piece of hardware associated with the servers).

Stop and think about what you are writing before you write it, seriously. Someone who sets up a server system and has a staff of engineers and lawyers managing it is not comparable to some guy who set up an AOL account in the 90's and forgot to toss it when his political career came together.

I don't want to hear shit from you until you actually spend more than 2 seconds looking into the facts of this topic!

[tyde]

[Sanlmar]

One of our biggest regrets has to be that both Bill & Hillary might have been the only couple to be separately impeached.

We were so close

[blake]

this is from a fake Facebook page of his fyi

[El Gallo]

this is from a fake Facebook page of his fyi

I feel like all the idiots that cry out fake news are the ones who consume and believe most of it

[sonatine]

this is from a fake Facebook page of his fyi

I feel like all the idiots that cry out fake news are the ones who consume and believe most of it

but thats really been the right wing's MO for almost a decade. the republicans have spent exponentially more effort weaponizing their own flaws to avoid growing up than they have on learning what the actual problems are, much less fixing them.

so when its pointed out that their constituents are getting gut-hooked by deliberately false and salacious articles written by bored macedonian teenagers, clinical paranoids, and actual honest to god KGB agents, instead of educating their tribe to not glibly digest anything that backs up their world view, they simply pivot to calling anything that paints them in an awkward light 'fake'.

the only criteria for whether or not a thing is fake or real is whether or not it serves their goals.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/06/o...to-govern.html

"The whole party, it turns out, has been faking it for years. Its leaders’ rhetoric was empty; they have no idea how to turn their slogans into actual legislation, because they’ve never bothered to understand how anything important works."

thats a diamond tipped bullet into the heart of the republican agenda. they have become so wholly embroiled in propaganda warfare that they have diverted all their resources to it, resources that were once spent on actual governance.

and all these failures that we attribute to trump, are in truth just as much the responsibility of the republicans, who have been caught completely flat footed in an election they were positive they were going to lose.

"we will fix taxes." [ we have no idea how to fix taxes ]

"we will make government smaller." [ we have no idea how to run a country with a smaller government ]

"we will fix medicaid and health insurance." [ we need to pillage social security to do so and even then we are going to capitulate to big pharma ]

"we will bring jobs back to america." [ because somehow a bunch of oxy chugging christian trailer trash are going to compete with a $1 an hour international factory market ]

"we will end terrorism." [ by smothering the embers of radicalization with gasoline ]

they have absolutely no answers. and trump may well be the last jenga piece to get pulled out of the conservative tower before it implodes violently.

[gimmick]

Yea it's true Pence didn't have a personal server that was maintained by competent people. Pence did fuck all to avoid getting hacked after he had attained a personal email address with the purpose of avoiding public scrutiny/transparency. Pence's brilliant solution for secrecy was using a fucking AOL account.

I'm not sure you quite understand how elections work but the general idea is to COMPARE candidates with each other. Regarding this particular issue on one side we had competence and on the other side we had a clown fiesta.

Neither Pence nor Hillary will ever face any legal consequences for their actions. Use of personal email was/is far too prevalent.

Oh and the reason i know absolutely nothing about the information that was leaked through the Clinton's personal servers is because neither does anyone else. She was never hacked. Pence on the other hand used AOL and as a surprise to no one was hacked.

Your first instinct again is to try to convince me of Pence's guilt. Again, I think Pence should probably face some kind of punitive measures if he broke any laws or policy that govern Senators. I think Pence is a disgusting douchebag, but I am also starting to think you are by deliberately re-using straw-man arguments.

Comparing Clinton to Pence as candidates is ludicrous, because he was selected by the person who was actually facing off against Hillary.

And to demolish your final point, we DO know a good amount of what was on Clintons emails you moron. In case you haven't been following the election you seem to think is still in progress, her emails were leaked. Well, they could only leak the emails that were deleted and the data (that could have been retrieved if her staff and lawyers hadn't wiped every piece of hardware associated with the servers).

Stop and think about what you are writing before you write it, seriously. Someone who sets up a server system and has a staff of engineers and lawyers managing it is not comparable to some guy who set up an AOL account in the 90's and forgot to toss it when his political career came together.

I don't want to hear shit from you until you actually spend more than 2 seconds looking into the facts of this topic!

Lol choke on a bag of dicks little faggot wtf do i care about your "wishes". Am i brutally encroaching your precious personal space with my evil words? Do you wish to go cry in a corner?

So today we are worried about my use of strawman tactics while you bravely battle the strawman of my "first instinct again is to try to convince me of Pence's guilt". Oh please enlighten me about my re-use of strawman tactics.

You really are extra special simple if you think that only candidates should be compared or that that was even close to what happened in the actual campaigns.

Regarding the contents of Hillary's emails that were published none of them were leaks of any kind. They were all public records. There were two parts in the whole e-mail scandal that you claim to know so much about. First was that private email accounts interfere with recordkeeping and the second part was that it makes it more likely that those accounts get hacked. After shooting off eleven bazillion dollars and wasting every ones time it was deemed that what she did was not punishable. It was too common at the time and none of the classified information was compromised. There was no successful hack to her private email. Likely because she was competent. Same can not be said of Pence. You know the guy surrounded by mouth breathers chanting "lock her up".

Oh and we can quote your first post on this subject in case there is some confusion about who brought Clinton up, the presidential campaigns and the election because you seem to be baffled why i would refer to these things.

[Sanlmar]

Sonatine

Trump has nothing to do with Republicans. Trump wasn't then or is now their boy.

Everything you say about the Republican Party is probably true, nevertheless. But they are irrelevant as currently constructed. If Trump sits behind the wheel and weaponizes big social programs and government against the Democrats that's great too.

No. The whole thing is so broken that cabinet appointments that used to sail through 98-1 can't even get through.

I admire your post though. Every line is prose of the first Reich. I have an encyclopedic knowledge of all the hateful beautiful things you have written.

It's just poetry to me though. Trump rode a populist wave that has swept the world. Just like that golden period between WWI & WWII.

The poet in you has to appreciate the element of chance and whimsy that resulted in Trumps narrow victory. How life and the world's fate lies in chance - despite how revisionist nimrods like Nate Silver try to unwind and rationalize the outcome.

This isn't about the singular failure of Republicans. If anything you gotta score a huge assist to the Democrats. They both suck. This is about something larger.

[Sanlmar]

Coincident with the failure of our political system is the failure of the press. Technology and all that being a catalyst.

Nixon's legacy is that he prompted movies like All the Presidents Men. It inspired Liberal do gooder Ivy League types who replaced blue collar Irish kids who liked to read and didn't want to lift things. It was just a job to them.

Today's world is a beautiful confluence of upheaval and failure. Roll with it.

Shout out to John Oliver's latest piece on the media. Gold

[blake]

this may be shocking but i don't think trump thought through his wiretap tweets.

can anybody give me any rationale for why accusing obama of wiretapping his phones is a good move politically? how does this help him advance any legislation?

does he think that he can accuse obama of criminal conduct that would be far worse than watergate and then just ignore it and act like he never said anything?

it's truly fucking bizarre. leaders of first world countries just don't act like this.

[hongkonger]

this may be shocking but i don't think trump thought through his wiretap tweets.

can anybody give me any rationale for why accusing obama of wiretapping his phones is a good move politically? how does this help him advance any legislation?

does he think that he can accuse obama of criminal conduct that would be far worse than watergate and then just ignore it and act like he never said anything?

it's truly fucking bizarre. leaders of first world countries just don't act like this.

He's not interested in actually doing anything. He's interested in self-aggrandizement and enriching himself and his family.

[sonatine]

this may be shocking but i don't think trump thought through his wiretap tweets.

can anybody give me any rationale for why accusing obama of wiretapping his phones is a good move politically? how does this help him advance any legislation?

does he think that he can accuse obama of criminal conduct that would be far worse than watergate and then just ignore it and act like he never said anything?

it's truly fucking bizarre. leaders of first world countries just don't act like this.

i also dont think trump saw literally anything wrong with conspiring with russia to win our election.


"its good for both of us!"

etc etc

[gimmick]

Yea it's true Pence didn't have a personal server that was maintained by competent people. Pence did fuck all to avoid getting hacked after he had attained a personal email address with the purpose of avoiding public scrutiny/transparency. Pence's brilliant solution for secrecy was using a fucking AOL account.

I'm not sure you quite understand how elections work but the general idea is to COMPARE candidates with each other. Regarding this particular issue on one side we had competence and on the other side we had a clown fiesta.

Neither Pence nor Hillary will ever face any legal consequences for their actions. Use of personal email was/is far too prevalent.

Oh and the reason i know absolutely nothing about the information that was leaked through the Clinton's personal servers is because neither does anyone else. She was never hacked. Pence on the other hand used AOL and as a surprise to no one was hacked.

Your first instinct again is to try to convince me of Pence's guilt. Again, I think Pence should probably face some kind of punitive measures if he broke any laws or policy that govern Senators. I think Pence is a disgusting douchebag, but I am also starting to think you are by deliberately re-using straw-man arguments.

Comparing Clinton to Pence as candidates is ludicrous, because he was selected by the person who was actually facing off against Hillary.

And to demolish your final point, we DO know a good amount of what was on Clintons emails you moron. In case you haven't been following the election you seem to think is still in progress, her emails were leaked. Well, they could only leak the emails that were deleted and the data (that could have been retrieved if her staff and lawyers hadn't wiped every piece of hardware associated with the servers).

Stop and think about what you are writing before you write it, seriously. Someone who sets up a server system and has a staff of engineers and lawyers managing it is not comparable to some guy who set up an AOL account in the 90's and forgot to toss it when his political career came together.

I don't want to hear shit from you until you actually spend more than 2 seconds looking into the facts of this topic!

Ahhh don't bitch out on me. You hold vital information to this discussion. Namely what makes you think that Clintons emails were leaked.

Is it because...

A: You're confusing DNC leaks with the Clinton email scandal

B: The fact that Wikileaks published them and that makes you think there was some kinda leak involved

C: You're under the impression that fulfilling a Freedom of Information Act request is something that qualifies as a leak

D: You're using your very own special definition for the word leak

E: Some combination of the above

...really only you know the answer to this. Your contribution would be greatly appreciated in this specific issue since it is by far the most interesting thing in this discussion.

[blake]

this may be shocking but i don't think trump thought through his wiretap tweets.

can anybody give me any rationale for why accusing obama of wiretapping his phones is a good move politically? how does this help him advance any legislation?

does he think that he can accuse obama of criminal conduct that would be far worse than watergate and then just ignore it and act like he never said anything?

it's truly fucking bizarre. leaders of first world countries just don't act like this.

i also dont think trump saw literally anything wrong with conspiring with russia to win our election.


"its good for both of us!"

etc etc

what's ironic is that us-russia relations will likely be worse under trump than clinton because trump's under so much public pressure that he'll never be able to work with russia on anything ever.

hillary, like obama, would probably at least have attempted to better relations between the two countries.

[GringoStar]

Ahhh don't bitch out on me. You hold vital information to this discussion. Namely what makes you think that Clintons emails were leaked.

Is it because...

A: You're confusing DNC leaks with the Clinton email scandal

B: The fact that Wikileaks published them and that makes you think there was some kinda leak involved

C: You're under the impression that fulfilling a Freedom of Information Act request is something that qualifies as a leak

D: You're using your very own special definition for the word leak

E: Some combination of the above

...really only you know the answer to this. Your contribution would be greatly appreciated in this specific issue since it is by far the most interesting thing in this discussion.

Yes, the definition of the word leak here was left a little bit dubious by me, I'll give you that.

However, while you are right (on a technicality) that the emails on Wikileaks were FOIA requested by Congress, you are forgetting how Congress became aware of the private server to begin with. The FBI.

And how did the FBI become aware of it? Marcel Lazar. A fucking mercenary who they had been chasing for previous hacks.

The truth is that Lazar was upfront with the FBI that he was able to gain access to the Clinton servers and he was the person who ultimately left the breadcrumbs that led to the FOIA request, that led to the exposure of the emails - except for the ones that they were able to frantically delete, like thieves in the night, without any discretion and an obvious intent to deceive/distort the content of the emails.

At this point, I consider this a leak, because this whole thing was the result of hacking. And, frankly, without Wikileaks, who was going to sieve through these emails and distill it down to some of the more obvious corrupt elements, that somehow didn't manage to hit the shredder.

I am not even sure what kind of point you are even making at this point. You really have to be fucking with me if you are going to say that you feel the Pence email issue and the Clinton server issue are at all in the same ballpark. I think anyone on this forum that knows about technology and law, much less common sense, could confirm this to be the case. I am not a Trump or Pence supporter, I am basing this off of objective truth, where I am sensing your politics are fogging your way through this debate.

References below, from fairly Clinton-friendly sources, to remind you about the origin of the Clinton server discovery and the very real potential that the entire bulk of the contents of the server were fully exposed. In fact, there are many security experts that Clinton's carelessness with using here cell phone overseas may have been a source of exposure, completely independent of the Guccifer hacks.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...linton-privat/

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/07/u...-say.html?_r=0