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    Quote Originally Posted by blake View Post
    decent article citing examples of some founding fathers and judges from the 1800s who didn't think impeachment could be for anything other than a crime

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...esident-trump/

    i don't like the reasoning but i guess that viewpoint has always been out there
    The brunt of the author’s argument is based on the bolded part of this passage from the article,..

    The Constitution only authorizes impeachment for three reasons: treason, bribery, and “other High Crimes and Misdemeanors” akin to treason or bribery.
    ...with the ludicrous reading by the author that Trump’s extortion scheme to create a fake news story against a key political rival that Trump ordered his minions to carry out, as well as got personally involved in, as the evidence clearly shows, was somehow not “akin to treason or bribery”. Of course it is!!! Trump was trying use the immense power of the Office of the President to illegally extort a US ally to personally benefit himself in his bid to get re-elected as president!!! Case fucking closed!!!
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    I actually hope this [second impeachment] succeeds, because I want Trump put down politically like a sick, 14-year-old dog. ... I don't want him complicating the 2024 primary season. I just want him done.
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    Were Republicans cowardly or unethical not to go along with [convicting Trump in the second impeachment Senate trial]? No. The smart move was to reject it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
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    Yeah, I'm daily worrying about Russia marching an army towards a place 95% of Americans couldn't find on a map. I feel better now. Oh, how about this: them using the offensive weapons against Russia to get us involved in a bigger conflict? Or, try this, Europe can borrow the money to give them for weapons. Sigh, I give up.
    you dont want to know how many of our thermonuclear war games projections start with russian aggression against the ukraine. and if we just fuck off and let them take ukraine, other adjacent nations are fair game. and once they get away with that, it's domino theory all over again but we have no allies, no treaties, no leverage, a crippled intelligence community, and a civil war brewing.

    its weird to me that people want to see that happen but i live on 2 wooded acres with a trout stream, an organic garden, and a lot of wild game so its really not my problem all said and done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
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    Yeah, I'm daily worrying about Russia marching an army towards a place 95% of Americans couldn't find on a map. I feel better now. Oh, how about this: them using the offensive weapons against Russia to get us involved in a bigger conflict? Or, try this, Europe can borrow the money to give them for weapons. Sigh, I give up.
    you dont want to know how many of our thermonuclear war games projections start with russian aggression against the ukraine. and if we just fuck off and let them take ukraine, other adjacent nations are fair game. and once they get away with that, it's domino theory all over again but we have no allies, no treaties, no leverage, a crippled intelligence community, and a civil war brewing.

    its weird to me that people want to see that happen but i live on 2 wooded acres with a trout stream, an organic garden, and a lot of wild game so its really not my problem all said and done.
    Ok, but I don’t see how our giving them non nuclear weapons is going to improve that outcome. Either we or Europe will prevent it or they won’t. But dumping money directly to them for this isn’t a solution, rather a waste. But that’s what we are best at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellafriend View Post
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    you dont want to know how many of our thermonuclear war games projections start with russian aggression against the ukraine. and if we just fuck off and let them take ukraine, other adjacent nations are fair game. and once they get away with that, it's domino theory all over again but we have no allies, no treaties, no leverage, a crippled intelligence community, and a civil war brewing.

    its weird to me that people want to see that happen but i live on 2 wooded acres with a trout stream, an organic garden, and a lot of wild game so its really not my problem all said and done.
    Ok, but I don’t see how our giving them non nuclear weapons is going to improve that outcome. Either we or Europe will prevent it or they won’t. But dumping money directly to them for this isn’t a solution, rather a waste. But that’s what we are best at.
    armament is a deterrent. the goal is to make an invasion as expensive as possible basically. i dont have a personal opinion on whether or not its a winning play but when the brains at Rand sign off on it thats pretty much good enough for me. not to mention, it guarantees us that we can post up a whole lot of sigint gear on russias literal border, which is always nice.

    tbh id be perfectly fine with russia repatriating ukraine but ukraine seems to have some feelings about living under putin's boot, which i respect because its a pretty fucking terrible boot to live under.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellafriend View Post
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    you dont want to know how many of our thermonuclear war games projections start with russian aggression against the ukraine. and if we just fuck off and let them take ukraine, other adjacent nations are fair game. and once they get away with that, it's domino theory all over again but we have no allies, no treaties, no leverage, a crippled intelligence community, and a civil war brewing.

    its weird to me that people want to see that happen but i live on 2 wooded acres with a trout stream, an organic garden, and a lot of wild game so its really not my problem all said and done.
    Ok, but I don’t see how our giving them non nuclear weapons is going to improve that outcome. Either we or Europe will prevent it or they won’t. But dumping money directly to them for this isn’t a solution, rather a waste. But that’s what we are best at.
    It's ultimately for the Pentagon and the defense contractors. War is the second biggest business in America, after health care.

    If we really wanted to prevent this, have a strong policy, get the country behind it, and go kick some ass. War by proxy is weaksauce.

    And you may well be right about giving money to Ukraine, but once the money is allocated, Trump threatening to withhold it to extract a personal favor is criminal and absolutely impeachable.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellafriend View Post
    Yeah, I'm daily worrying about Russia marching an army towards a place 95% of Americans couldn't find on a map
    No you aren't. Feels nice right?

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    Forget the Ukraine it was America's National Security on the line here folks I mean... I mean, imagine what could happen... aahhhhh ya so....ya.


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    I actually hope this [second impeachment] succeeds, because I want Trump put down politically like a sick, 14-year-old dog. ... I don't want him complicating the 2024 primary season. I just want him done.
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    Were Republicans cowardly or unethical not to go along with [convicting Trump in the second impeachment Senate trial]? No. The smart move was to reject it.

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    Trump asks a person who appears to be Parnas how long Ukraine would "last in fight against Russia." Parnas says "without us, not very long," and another person chimes in, "about 30 minutes." Months later, Trump would try to cut off military aid to Ukraine.
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    "just hanging" got me.

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    soooooo bolton's manuscript got leaked.


    and basically if its true, several members of trump's legal team are guilty of perjury for lying to the senate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    soooooo bolton's manuscript got leaked.


    and basically if its true, several members of trump's legal team are guilty of perjury for lying to the senate.

    Fine line here maybe, but unless I'm mistaken (haven't watched a minute of the trial), his attorney's aren't under oath. They are giving an opening statement.

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    Anyone who says Pelosi delaying handing off the impeachment wasn't a brilliant move, go back to your safe space, the Sean Hannity propaganda hour.
    And get me a Seth Rich update, while you are at it.


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyG_415 View Post
    Anyone who says Pelosi delaying handing off the impeachment wasn't a brilliant move, go back to your safe space, the Sean Hannity propaganda hour.
    And get me a Seth Rich update, while you are at it.

    Graham also said something like "if we call democrat witnesses we should also call republican witnesses", before today his stance was "i'm not voting for any witnesses no matter what, this is a hoax".

    I feel like chances of witnesses swung from 15% to like 75% in past 12 hours, which would extend the trial a week or two, or much longer if any witness challenges subpoena in court.

    Pretty big deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duped_samaritan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyG_415 View Post
    Anyone who says Pelosi delaying handing off the impeachment wasn't a brilliant move, go back to your safe space, the Sean Hannity propaganda hour.
    And get me a Seth Rich update, while you are at it.

    Graham also said something like "if we call democrat witnesses we should also call republican witnesses", before today his stance was "i'm not voting for any witnesses no matter what, this is a hoax".

    I feel like chances of witnesses swung from 15% to like 75% in past 12 hours, which would extend the trial a week or two, or much longer if any witness challenges subpoena in court.

    Pretty big deal.
    Lindsey Graham’s stance on Biden’s son makes me wonder if he has a child that was ever given a position because of Lindsey and not because of their qualifications. If not Graham, I think it’s pretty obvious there are other politicians who's kids benefited from their parent’s political office. They don’t want this bag of worms opened.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by duped_samaritan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyG_415 View Post
    Anyone who says Pelosi delaying handing off the impeachment wasn't a brilliant move, go back to your safe space, the Sean Hannity propaganda hour.
    And get me a Seth Rich update, while you are at it.

    Graham also said something like "if we call democrat witnesses we should also call republican witnesses", before today his stance was "i'm not voting for any witnesses no matter what, this is a hoax".

    I feel like chances of witnesses swung from 15% to like 75% in past 12 hours, which would extend the trial a week or two, or much longer if any witness challenges subpoena in court.

    Pretty big deal.
    From Susan Collins:

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    That's 2 likely yes votes, need 2 more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nightmarefish View Post
    They don’t want this bag of worms opened.
    family has been largely off limits for politics. even when palin's war sow of a daughter wasnt made some sort of election issue.

    pretty sure the bloom is off that rose.
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    shout out to bolton finally getting to overthrow a regime.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by duped_samaritan View Post
    From Susan Collins:

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    That's 2 likely yes votes, need 2 more.
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    Susan Collins loves to talk a big game about doing the right thing, but she never actually manages to do it, so she's no lock.

     
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