We will have to see, but I'm really starting to believe that the attack on Soleimani was the right move, even if it brings some temporarily increased hostilities.
Sometimes things need to get worse before they get better.
I really do believe that Iran needed an example of what happens if they screw with us, and they had been going on for decades behaving badly and getting rewarded for it.
Of course, they had to "retaliate" to save face, but this retaliation was actually very light (an attack which killed no one), and now both sides can stand down and walk away without feeling too humiliated.
Now the Iranians will be afraid to start shit up again in the future, and will think twice before angering the US.
Great success.
I don't understand what you're asking here.
By "me", you mean the US?
The two countries obviously have a lot of history and complaints against one another, but there's no question that Iran was overall the aggressor. In most recent times, they've been a state sponsor of terrorism against the US and its allies (and in some cases, their own people), and Soleimani was at the helm of it.
I hope you're not trying to make the case that Iran has been a victim of the US for the past 40+ years.
Yes your country compared to theirs... thought that was obvious.
I am simply curious how you perceive your own actions.
Please keep in mind you are not neighbouring countries or even geographically close.... which I believe is an intrinsically vital point to consider.
Ignore the shah of Iran shennanigans for simplicity. The eight year war would be a good starting point.
I'm doing my best to make no case.
Taco Bell managers now making $100,000/year.
And low-end employees there now get 24 hours sick leave per year.
Why? Because the economy is great and they feel they have to, in order to get workers and good managers.
Trump ruining the country, y'all.
https://www.latimes.com/business/sto...paid-sick-time
there is a surprising amount of pushback on the missile strike theory. occams razor is certainly leaning towards an errant iranian missile.. the fact that flights werent grounded at all is mystifying frankly.
but people are doing analysis of its post-takeoff flight path and it looks like it had mechanical issues almost immediately..? and bellingcat have been pointedly insisting that the indications of shrapnel holes were potentially created on impact with the ground. its all very complicated because the people photographing the damage werent trained inspectors looking to catalog a potential war crime, but were just randoms with cell phones, so the angles arent doing anyone a lot of favors, forensically.
one has to wonder if someone on board that flight was an intelligence source considered worth 170+ innocent lives to silence (why did putin fly unannounced into damascus earlier that evening?). we've seen that sort of equity calculation before, after all, being used to justify downing planes with high value targets on them.
also iran is pointedly asking for the release of any/all intelligence indicating a missile strike, which seems like a weird gambit if they think that evidence will damn them, so they seem confident this wasnt a C2 failure..
Last edited by sonatine; 01-10-2020 at 05:00 AM.
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
there’s a video out there that, unless it’s fake (which no one has suggested), appears to show what clearly looks like a missile hitting the plane.
also new planes don’t just explode in mid air.
both Iran and Ukraine should be embarrassed about letting flights leave in the middle of a war zone, when all of Iran was bracing for an air attack
Last edited by blake; 01-10-2020 at 05:51 PM.
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
what other nation state could it have been? who else would have been worried about planes over iran?
now there are reports that the iranians have already collectee all debris from the area. gee i wonder why that happened.
what's amazing to me is if they actually get away with this without any consequences. if americans were on that flight, there would be a response. i hope canada actually does something here but it's canada so probably not
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
I like to believe conspiracy theories more than the next guy but this is more than likely what happened...Iranian forces were on alert and shot the plane down accidentally.
Fly the friendly skies.The Ukrainian passenger plane that crashed shortly after taking off from Tehran’s international airport Wednesday was shot down by mistake by an Iranian anti-aircraft missile, Pentagon officials told Fox News.
Officials said U.S. intelligence increasingly points at the airliner being accidentally struck by a Russian-made missile, killing all 176 people on board the flight, just hours after Iran fired more than a dozen ballistic missiles targeting two military bases housing American and coalition troops.
"An absolute tragedy," one U.S. official told Fox News. "They just screwed up and it is tragic."
lol @ not thinking these fuckers didn't shoot down that plane........these are bad peeps...they even wiped out some of their own on that plane that don't agree with their radicalism.
their whole radical military needs to taken out. they've been terrorizing the usa and other countries as far back as i can remember.....i'm sure it predates the ted koppel, ayatollah khomeini days as well.
and iran now admits they "unintentionally" shot the plane down after calling these accusations "american propaganda" earlier today
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...etliner-097453
Ya their admission was a redirect to try blaming Trump LOL
If by accident do these families deserve 10 mill a piece or more?
zero point zero chance these intellectually bereft mullahs pony up a single dime to these families
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