Time to get on the TRUMP train

[mulva]

Trump killed the bad guy. The attack that followed were Obamas fault (deepstate).

People are literally believing this.

who has more talent jussie Smollett or Collin kaep??

they're both heroes fighting oppression and cause in jimmy's mind...i'm sure jimmy has a boner for oj as well


in real news, trump gave a great speech in ohio tonight.

[Dan Druff]

We will have to see, but I'm really starting to believe that the attack on Soleimani was the right move, even if it brings some temporarily increased hostilities.

Sometimes things need to get worse before they get better.

I really do believe that Iran needed an example of what happens if they screw with us, and they had been going on for decades behaving badly and getting rewarded for it.

Of course, they had to "retaliate" to save face, but this retaliation was actually very light (an attack which killed no one), and now both sides can stand down and walk away without feeling too humiliated.

Now the Iranians will be afraid to start shit up again in the future, and will think twice before angering the US.

Great success.

[mulva]

We will have to see, but I'm really starting to believe that the attack on Soleimani was the right move, even if it brings some temporarily increased hostilities.

Sometimes things need to get worse before they get better.

I really do believe that Iran needed an example of what happens if they screw with us, and they had been going on for decades behaving badly and getting rewarded for it.

Of course, they had to "retaliate" to save face, but this retaliation was actually very light (an attack which killed no one), and now both sides can stand down and walk away without feeling too humiliated.

Now the Iranians will be afraid to start shit up again in the future, and will think twice before angering the US.

Great success.

what are you talking about. their retaliation attack was to kill our allies on the ukrainian plane.

[Salty_Aus]

We will have to see, but I'm really starting to believe that the attack on Soleimani was the right move, even if it brings some temporarily increased hostilities.

Sometimes things need to get worse before they get better.

I really do believe that Iran needed an example of what happens if they screw with us, and they had been going on for decades behaving badly and getting rewarded for it.

Of course, they had to "retaliate" to save face, but this retaliation was actually very light (an attack which killed no one), and now both sides can stand down and walk away without feeling too humiliated.

Now the Iranians will be afraid to start shit up again in the future, and will think twice before angering the US.

Great success.

Just to get a bit of context here.

How would you rate their screwing with you, compared to how you have screwed with them in your lifetime, Todd?

If you could rate each side 1-10 that would be brilliant. 10 being the worst.

[Dan Druff]

We will have to see, but I'm really starting to believe that the attack on Soleimani was the right move, even if it brings some temporarily increased hostilities.

Sometimes things need to get worse before they get better.

I really do believe that Iran needed an example of what happens if they screw with us, and they had been going on for decades behaving badly and getting rewarded for it.

Of course, they had to "retaliate" to save face, but this retaliation was actually very light (an attack which killed no one), and now both sides can stand down and walk away without feeling too humiliated.

Now the Iranians will be afraid to start shit up again in the future, and will think twice before angering the US.

Great success.

Just to get a bit of context here.

How would you rate their screwing with you, compared to how you have screwed with them in your lifetime, Todd?

If you could rate each side 1-10 that would be brilliant. 10 being the worst.

I don't understand what you're asking here.

By "me", you mean the US?

The two countries obviously have a lot of history and complaints against one another, but there's no question that Iran was overall the aggressor. In most recent times, they've been a state sponsor of terrorism against the US and its allies (and in some cases, their own people), and Soleimani was at the helm of it.

I hope you're not trying to make the case that Iran has been a victim of the US for the past 40+ years.

[Salty_Aus]

Just to get a bit of context here.

How would you rate their screwing with you, compared to how you have screwed with them in your lifetime, Todd?

If you could rate each side 1-10 that would be brilliant. 10 being the worst.

I don't understand what you're asking here.

By "me", you mean the US?

The two countries obviously have a lot of history and complaints against one another, but there's no question that Iran was overall the aggressor. In most recent times, they've been a state sponsor of terrorism against the US and its allies (and in some cases, their own people), and Soleimani was at the helm of it.

I hope you're not trying to make the case that Iran has been a victim of the US for the past 40+ years.

Yes your country compared to theirs... thought that was obvious.

I am simply curious how you perceive your own actions.
Please keep in mind you are not neighbouring countries or even geographically close.... which I believe is an intrinsically vital point to consider.

Ignore the shah of Iran shennanigans for simplicity. The eight year war would be a good starting point.

I'm doing my best to make no case.

[Dan Druff]

Taco Bell managers now making $100,000/year.

And low-end employees there now get 24 hours sick leave per year.

Why? Because the economy is great and they feel they have to, in order to get workers and good managers.

Trump ruining the country, y'all.

https://www.latimes.com/business/sto...paid-sick-time

[sonatine]

there is a surprising amount of pushback on the missile strike theory. occams razor is certainly leaning towards an errant iranian missile.. the fact that flights werent grounded at all is mystifying frankly.

but people are doing analysis of its post-takeoff flight path and it looks like it had mechanical issues almost immediately..? and bellingcat have been pointedly insisting that the indications of shrapnel holes were potentially created on impact with the ground. its all very complicated because the people photographing the damage werent trained inspectors looking to catalog a potential war crime, but were just randoms with cell phones, so the angles arent doing anyone a lot of favors, forensically.

one has to wonder if someone on board that flight was an intelligence source considered worth 170+ innocent lives to silence (why did putin fly unannounced into damascus earlier that evening?). we've seen that sort of equity calculation before, after all, being used to justify downing planes with high value targets on them.

also iran is pointedly asking for the release of any/all intelligence indicating a missile strike, which seems like a weird gambit if they think that evidence will damn them, so they seem confident this wasnt a C2 failure..

[blake]

there’s a video out there that, unless it’s fake (which no one has suggested), appears to show what clearly looks like a missile hitting the plane.

also new planes don’t just explode in mid air.

both Iran and Ukraine should be embarrassed about letting flights leave in the middle of a war zone, when all of Iran was bracing for an air attack

[sonatine]

there’s a video out there that, unless it’s fake (which no one has suggested), appears to show what clearly like a missile hitting the plane.

also new planes don’t just explode in mid air.

both Iran and Ukraine should be embarrassed about letting flights leave in the middle of a war zone, when all of Iran was bracing for an air attack

everyone has seen the video but its a far cry from attribution to a specific nation state. again, occams razor is on your side, but there are gaps in this narrative that cant be ignored right now.

[blake]

there’s a video out there that, unless it’s fake (which no one has suggested), appears to show what clearly like a missile hitting the plane.

also new planes don’t just explode in mid air.

both Iran and Ukraine should be embarrassed about letting flights leave in the middle of a war zone, when all of Iran was bracing for an air attack

everyone has seen the video but its a far cry from attribution to a specific nation state. again, occams razor is on your side, but there are gaps in this narrative that cant be ignored right now.

what other nation state could it have been? who else would have been worried about planes over iran?

now there are reports that the iranians have already collectee all debris from the area. gee i wonder why that happened.

what's amazing to me is if they actually get away with this without any consequences. if americans were on that flight, there would be a response. i hope canada actually does something here but it's canada so probably not

[sonatine]

everyone has seen the video but its a far cry from attribution to a specific nation state. again, occams razor is on your side, but there are gaps in this narrative that cant be ignored right now.

what other nation state could it have been? who else would have been worried about planes over iran?

now there are reports that the iranians have already collectee all debris from the area. gee i wonder why that happened.

what's amazing to me is if they actually get away with this without any consequences. if americans were on that flight, there would be a response. i hope canada actually does something here but it's canada so probably not

the most obvious bad actor here would be russia false flagging the assassination of someone on that plane.

but youre right, the odds on favorite would be bad command/control discipline leading to an errant iranian launch. im just personally not sold yet.

[TheXFactor]

I like to believe conspiracy theories more than the next guy but this is more than likely what happened...Iranian forces were on alert and shot the plane down accidentally.

The Ukrainian passenger plane that crashed shortly after taking off from Tehran’s international airport Wednesday was shot down by mistake by an Iranian anti-aircraft missile, Pentagon officials told Fox News.

Officials said U.S. intelligence increasingly points at the airliner being accidentally struck by a Russian-made missile, killing all 176 people on board the flight, just hours after Iran fired more than a dozen ballistic missiles targeting two military bases housing American and coalition troops.

"An absolute tragedy," one U.S. official told Fox News. "They just screwed up and it is tragic."

Fly the friendly skies.

[mulva]

lol @ not thinking these fuckers didn't shoot down that plane........these are bad peeps...they even wiped out some of their own on that plane that don't agree with their radicalism.

their whole radical military needs to taken out. they've been terrorizing the usa and other countries as far back as i can remember.....i'm sure it predates the ted koppel, ayatollah khomeini days as well.

[Jayjami]

I like to believe conspiracy theories more than the next guy but this is more than likely what happened...Iranian forces were on alert and shot the plane down accidentally.

The Ukrainian passenger plane that crashed shortly after taking off from Tehran’s international airport Wednesday was shot down by mistake by an Iranian anti-aircraft missile, Pentagon officials told Fox News.

Officials said U.S. intelligence increasingly points at the airliner being accidentally struck by a Russian-made missile, killing all 176 people on board the flight, just hours after Iran fired more than a dozen ballistic missiles targeting two military bases housing American and coalition troops.

"An absolute tragedy," one U.S. official told Fox News. "They just screwed up and it is tragic."

Fly the friendly skies.

They should have gotten on the Trump train instead of that plane!

[blake]

and iran now admits they "unintentionally" shot the plane down after calling these accusations "american propaganda" earlier today

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...etliner-097453

[DonaldTrumpsHairPiece]

Ya their admission was a redirect to try blaming Trump LOL

If by accident do these families deserve 10 mill a piece or more?

[Krypt]

zero point zero chance these intellectually bereft mullahs pony up a single dime to these families

[duped_samaritan]

lol @ not thinking these fuckers didn't shoot down that plane........these are bad peeps...they even wiped out some of their own on that plane that don't agree with their radicalism.

their whole radical military needs to taken out. they've been terrorizing the usa and other countries as far back as i can remember.....i'm sure it predates the ted koppel, ayatollah khomeini days as well.

You forgot to blame Obama.

[mulva]

lol @ not thinking these fuckers didn't shoot down that plane........these are bad peeps...they even wiped out some of their own on that plane that don't agree with their radicalism.

their whole radical military needs to taken out. they've been terrorizing the usa and other countries as far back as i can remember.....i'm sure it predates the ted koppel, ayatollah khomeini days as well.

You forgot to blame Obama.