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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Also I'm amused at watching the left, and in particular leftist secular Jews, intentionally misinterpret Trump's latest executive order declaring Judaism to be a nationality.

    First off, Trump's order only codifies Obama-era descriptions of Title VI requirements on campus, which requires all schools receiving federal funding to properly investigate any form of discrimination on campus.

    Religious beliefs are not protected by Title VI, but at the same time, there has been a large uptick of anti-Semitism on campuses. This anti-Semitism has mainly been from the left, often hidden in the form of BDS type rhetoric. (White supremacist types aren't typically found on college campuses, as you might guess.) Trump has accurately recognized that being Jewish goes beyond religious beliefs and practices -- it's an identity for many people, even those who don't practice the religion devoutly. Additionally, anti-Semitism is (and always has been) aimed at all Jews, not just the religious ones.

    With that in mind, Trump saw campus anti-Semitism not much different from campus racism, and thus declared Judiasm to be a form of a nationality for Title VI purposes. This protects Jews on campus the same way blacks, Hispanics, and other minorities are protected.

    It's been hilarious watching the left dishonestly claim that this is some form of anti-Semitism, and that declaring Jewishness a nationality will somehow cause new anti-Semitic hatred. What?? Do you really think there's a single white supremacist out there who is saying, "Well, I had no problem with Jews before, but since I see Trump named them a nationality, NOW I'm goin' after them!!!"

    Give me a break.

    I kind of expect this pathetic spin from the non-Jewish left, because most of them despise Israel, and anything which protects BDS anti-Semitism (while at the same time vilifying Trump) is something they support. But the self-hating leftist Jews also backing this nonsense amaze me. I guess they want fewer rights than other minority groups when persecuted on college campuses.

    I really wonder how much of this is true ignorance, how much is willful ignorance, and how much is just an attempt to keep the "Trump is anti-Semitic" rhetoric alive, when he has repeatedly demonstrated he's anything but that.
    Netanyahu and Trump kiss each others ass and have a lot in common (keeping brown people out and getting indicted/impeached for example) => Trump supporters defend Israel => The left attacks Israel. Nobody cares who celebrates Hanukkah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
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    Your allegiance to Team Retard is causing your already low self-awareness to further evaporate.

    Do tell - what do you think the 'typical Trump voter' knows about Donald Trump and why they support him?

    Congrats on your new nationality btw.
    The typical Trump voter knows that he isn't trying to make them feel guilty about their "white privilege" when they are often lower-middle class themselves.

    The typical Trump voter doesn't want free shit from the government paid out of tax dollars. In general, they think this results in those not contributing to the system sucking undeserved benefits from it, so they reject this type of stuff, even if the left claims that the "free" stuff will help them.

    The typical Trump voter can't understand how 8.5-month abortions aren't murder.

    The typical Trump voter is nervous hearing all the anti-gun rhetoric, and fears a vote for Democrats will mean the eventual end of private gun ownership in this country.

    The typical Trump voter does not think "racist police" are the main reason for the high percentage of black males currently incarcerated.

    The typical Trump voter is tired of the coastal and Hollywood left making fun of their religion and/or love for this country.

    The typical Trump voter wants something done about illegal immigration from Mexico, and is nervous about the left's excuse-making as to why strengthening the border is "racist" in some way.

    I can go on and on. I know that you think you're an enlightened Pacific Northwest leftist, while everyone with an opposing viewpoint is inferior to you in some way. However, you're really no different than the typical arrogant leftist I see on Facebook who feels too much and thinks too little.

    I'm actually glad that people like you and sonatine still fail to understand the typical Trump voter to such a spectacular degree, because it's indicative of the cluelessness of the Democratic Party in general. This is why Trump owned them in 2016, and might very well do so again in 2020, despite all of his follies. After 3 years, you guys just still don't get what makes swing voters tick. It's amazing.
    Cool message board bullets.

    Have you pieced together an argument as to why he his indeed fit for office and shouldn't be removed from office?
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    Quote Originally Posted by duped_samaritan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Also I'm amused at watching the left, and in particular leftist secular Jews, intentionally misinterpret Trump's latest executive order declaring Judaism to be a nationality.

    First off, Trump's order only codifies Obama-era descriptions of Title VI requirements on campus, which requires all schools receiving federal funding to properly investigate any form of discrimination on campus.

    Religious beliefs are not protected by Title VI, but at the same time, there has been a large uptick of anti-Semitism on campuses. This anti-Semitism has mainly been from the left, often hidden in the form of BDS type rhetoric. (White supremacist types aren't typically found on college campuses, as you might guess.) Trump has accurately recognized that being Jewish goes beyond religious beliefs and practices -- it's an identity for many people, even those who don't practice the religion devoutly. Additionally, anti-Semitism is (and always has been) aimed at all Jews, not just the religious ones.

    With that in mind, Trump saw campus anti-Semitism not much different from campus racism, and thus declared Judiasm to be a form of a nationality for Title VI purposes. This protects Jews on campus the same way blacks, Hispanics, and other minorities are protected.

    It's been hilarious watching the left dishonestly claim that this is some form of anti-Semitism, and that declaring Jewishness a nationality will somehow cause new anti-Semitic hatred. What?? Do you really think there's a single white supremacist out there who is saying, "Well, I had no problem with Jews before, but since I see Trump named them a nationality, NOW I'm goin' after them!!!"

    Give me a break.

    I kind of expect this pathetic spin from the non-Jewish left, because most of them despise Israel, and anything which protects BDS anti-Semitism (while at the same time vilifying Trump) is something they support. But the self-hating leftist Jews also backing this nonsense amaze me. I guess they want fewer rights than other minority groups when persecuted on college campuses.

    I really wonder how much of this is true ignorance, how much is willful ignorance, and how much is just an attempt to keep the "Trump is anti-Semitic" rhetoric alive, when he has repeatedly demonstrated he's anything but that.
    Netanyahu and Trump kiss each others ass and have a lot in common (keeping brown people out and getting indicted/impeached for example) => Trump supporters defend Israel => The left attacks Israel. Nobody cares who celebrates Hanukkah.
    Israel takes in people from Africa on a regular basis and have a history of doing so that dates back to the 60s. You should do research before spouting garbage.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by duped_samaritan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Also I'm amused at watching the left, and in particular leftist secular Jews, intentionally misinterpret Trump's latest executive order declaring Judaism to be a nationality.

    First off, Trump's order only codifies Obama-era descriptions of Title VI requirements on campus, which requires all schools receiving federal funding to properly investigate any form of discrimination on campus.

    Religious beliefs are not protected by Title VI, but at the same time, there has been a large uptick of anti-Semitism on campuses. This anti-Semitism has mainly been from the left, often hidden in the form of BDS type rhetoric. (White supremacist types aren't typically found on college campuses, as you might guess.) Trump has accurately recognized that being Jewish goes beyond religious beliefs and practices -- it's an identity for many people, even those who don't practice the religion devoutly. Additionally, anti-Semitism is (and always has been) aimed at all Jews, not just the religious ones.

    With that in mind, Trump saw campus anti-Semitism not much different from campus racism, and thus declared Judiasm to be a form of a nationality for Title VI purposes. This protects Jews on campus the same way blacks, Hispanics, and other minorities are protected.

    It's been hilarious watching the left dishonestly claim that this is some form of anti-Semitism, and that declaring Jewishness a nationality will somehow cause new anti-Semitic hatred. What?? Do you really think there's a single white supremacist out there who is saying, "Well, I had no problem with Jews before, but since I see Trump named them a nationality, NOW I'm goin' after them!!!"

    Give me a break.

    I kind of expect this pathetic spin from the non-Jewish left, because most of them despise Israel, and anything which protects BDS anti-Semitism (while at the same time vilifying Trump) is something they support. But the self-hating leftist Jews also backing this nonsense amaze me. I guess they want fewer rights than other minority groups when persecuted on college campuses.

    I really wonder how much of this is true ignorance, how much is willful ignorance, and how much is just an attempt to keep the "Trump is anti-Semitic" rhetoric alive, when he has repeatedly demonstrated he's anything but that.
    Netanyahu and Trump kiss each others ass and have a lot in common (keeping brown people out and getting indicted/impeached for example) => Trump supporters defend Israel => The left attacks Israel. Nobody cares who celebrates Hanukkah.
    You do realize that Trump isn't keeping certain people out because they're "brown", right?

    He tries to keep people from Muslim countries out because he perceives them to be terror threats, and the people from Mexico out because he perceives them to be both a violent crime threat and a drain on our resources.

    Even if you disagree with his conclusions about these people, this isn't policy borne from racism, though the left tries very hard to push the narrative that Trump is an open racist.

    The rest of your statement, as I believe I understand it, is mostly correct. Trump is pro-Israel and gets along with Netanyahu, which does influence his supporters to also be pro-Israel, which then leads to the left to being anti-Israel because Trump is pro-Israel.

    But there's also been a growing undercurrent of anti-Semitism from the left, which preceded Trump's Presidency. Its roots were in the left's sudden love for Muslims (dating back to shortly after 9/11). The more the left ties its identity to fighting supposed Islamophobia, the more they grow to hate Israel, which they believe oppresses Muslims just as they believe the US does. Since Israel and Judaism are so closely tied together, this leads to growth of left wing anti-Semitism, which is hidden behind "I just don't like the Israeli government" rhetoric.

    The fact that Rashida Talib and Ilhan Omar -- two open anti-Semites -- are such heroes in the modern Democratic Party, speaks to how far anti-Semitism on the left has come in recent years. There are actually a number of left-wing Jews I knew who are alarmed by this, and feel somewhat betrayed, and it's been making some of them reconsider their political allegiance.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by duped_samaritan View Post

    Netanyahu and Trump kiss each others ass and have a lot in common (keeping brown people out and getting indicted/impeached for example) => Trump supporters defend Israel => The left attacks Israel. Nobody cares who celebrates Hanukkah.
    You do realize that Trump isn't keeping certain people out because they're "brown", right?

    He tries to keep people from Muslim countries out because he perceives them to be terror threats, and the people from Mexico out because he perceives them to be both a violent crime threat and a drain on our resources.

    Even if you disagree with his conclusions about these people, this isn't policy borne from racism, though the left tries very hard to push the narrative that Trump is an open racist.

    The rest of your statement, as I believe I understand it, is mostly correct. Trump is pro-Israel and gets along with Netanyahu, which does influence his supporters to also be pro-Israel, which then leads to the left to being anti-Israel because Trump is pro-Israel.

    But there's also been a growing undercurrent of anti-Semitism from the left, which preceded Trump's Presidency. Its roots were in the left's sudden love for Muslims (dating back to shortly after 9/11). The more the left ties its identity to fighting supposed Islamophobia, the more they grow to hate Israel, which they believe oppresses Muslims just as they believe the US does. Since Israel and Judaism are so closely tied together, this leads to growth of left wing anti-Semitism, which is hidden behind "I just don't like the Israeli government" rhetoric.

    The fact that Rashida Talib and Ilhan Omar -- two open anti-Semites -- are such heroes in the modern Democratic Party, speaks to how far anti-Semitism on the left has come in recent years. There are actually a number of left-wing Jews I knew who are alarmed by this, and feel somewhat betrayed, and it's been making some of them reconsider their political allegiance.
    Do you believe it is not possible to dislike the Israeli Government while also not being an anti-semite?

    I love Israel (the place), have visited, love the people. But I despise Netanyahu, despise Likud and despise his treatment of Muslims and Palestine. Am I an anti-semite?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by duped_samaritan View Post

    Netanyahu and Trump kiss each others ass and have a lot in common (keeping brown people out and getting indicted/impeached for example) => Trump supporters defend Israel => The left attacks Israel. Nobody cares who celebrates Hanukkah.
    You do realize that Trump isn't keeping certain people out because they're "brown", right?

    He tries to keep people from Muslim countries out because he perceives them to be terror threats, and the people from Mexico out because he perceives them to be both a violent crime threat and a drain on our resources.

    Even if you disagree with his conclusions about these people, this isn't policy borne from racism, though the left tries very hard to push the narrative that Trump is an open racist.

    The rest of your statement, as I believe I understand it, is mostly correct. Trump is pro-Israel and gets along with Netanyahu, which does influence his supporters to also be pro-Israel, which then leads to the left to being anti-Israel because Trump is pro-Israel.

    But there's also been a growing undercurrent of anti-Semitism from the left, which preceded Trump's Presidency. Its roots were in the left's sudden love for Muslims (dating back to shortly after 9/11). The more the left ties its identity to fighting supposed Islamophobia, the more they grow to hate Israel, which they believe oppresses Muslims just as they believe the US does. Since Israel and Judaism are so closely tied together, this leads to growth of left wing anti-Semitism, which is hidden behind "I just don't like the Israeli government" rhetoric.

    The fact that Rashida Talib and Ilhan Omar -- two open anti-Semites -- are such heroes in the modern Democratic Party, speaks to how far anti-Semitism on the left has come in recent years. There are actually a number of left-wing Jews I knew who are alarmed by this, and feel somewhat betrayed, and it's been making some of them reconsider their political allegiance.
    How can you make this argument with Stephen Miller leading the charge?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrTickle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post

    You do realize that Trump isn't keeping certain people out because they're "brown", right?

    He tries to keep people from Muslim countries out because he perceives them to be terror threats, and the people from Mexico out because he perceives them to be both a violent crime threat and a drain on our resources.

    Even if you disagree with his conclusions about these people, this isn't policy borne from racism, though the left tries very hard to push the narrative that Trump is an open racist.

    The rest of your statement, as I believe I understand it, is mostly correct. Trump is pro-Israel and gets along with Netanyahu, which does influence his supporters to also be pro-Israel, which then leads to the left to being anti-Israel because Trump is pro-Israel.

    But there's also been a growing undercurrent of anti-Semitism from the left, which preceded Trump's Presidency. Its roots were in the left's sudden love for Muslims (dating back to shortly after 9/11). The more the left ties its identity to fighting supposed Islamophobia, the more they grow to hate Israel, which they believe oppresses Muslims just as they believe the US does. Since Israel and Judaism are so closely tied together, this leads to growth of left wing anti-Semitism, which is hidden behind "I just don't like the Israeli government" rhetoric.

    The fact that Rashida Talib and Ilhan Omar -- two open anti-Semites -- are such heroes in the modern Democratic Party, speaks to how far anti-Semitism on the left has come in recent years. There are actually a number of left-wing Jews I knew who are alarmed by this, and feel somewhat betrayed, and it's been making some of them reconsider their political allegiance.
    Do you believe it is not possible to dislike the Israeli Government while also not being an anti-semite?

    I love Israel (the place), have visited, love the people. But I despise Netanyahu, despise Likud and despise his treatment of Muslims and Palestine. Am I an anti-semite?
    Yes, it is possible to dislike the Israeli government without being an anti-Semite.

    However, many have let that drive their anti-Semitism. Usually a good litmus test for this involves the BDS movement. If you dislike the current Israeli government, but don't support BDS, you're probably not an anti-Semite. If you do support BDS, you probably are. Similarly, if you like Rashida Talib or Ilhan Omar, you are either an anti-Semite or a delusional fool who willfully avoids seeing the obvious about them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrTickle View Post

    Do you believe it is not possible to dislike the Israeli Government while also not being an anti-semite?

    I love Israel (the place), have visited, love the people. But I despise Netanyahu, despise Likud and despise his treatment of Muslims and Palestine. Am I an anti-semite?
    Yes, it is possible to dislike the Israeli government without being an anti-Semite.

    However, many have let that drive their anti-Semitism. Usually a good litmus test for this involves the BDS movement. If you dislike the current Israeli government, but don't support BDS, you're probably not an anti-Semite. If you do support BDS, you probably are. Similarly, if you like Rashida Talib or Ilhan Omar, you are either an anti-Semite or a delusional fool who willfully avoids seeing the obvious about them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post

    You do realize that Trump isn't keeping certain people out because they're "brown", right?

    He tries to keep people from Muslim countries out because he perceives them to be terror threats, and the people from Mexico out because he perceives them to be both a violent crime threat and a drain on our resources.

    Even if you disagree with his conclusions about these people, this isn't policy borne from racism, though the left tries very hard to push the narrative that Trump is an open racist.

    The rest of your statement, as I believe I understand it, is mostly correct. Trump is pro-Israel and gets along with Netanyahu, which does influence his supporters to also be pro-Israel, which then leads to the left to being anti-Israel because Trump is pro-Israel.

    But there's also been a growing undercurrent of anti-Semitism from the left, which preceded Trump's Presidency. Its roots were in the left's sudden love for Muslims (dating back to shortly after 9/11). The more the left ties its identity to fighting supposed Islamophobia, the more they grow to hate Israel, which they believe oppresses Muslims just as they believe the US does. Since Israel and Judaism are so closely tied together, this leads to growth of left wing anti-Semitism, which is hidden behind "I just don't like the Israeli government" rhetoric.

    The fact that Rashida Talib and Ilhan Omar -- two open anti-Semites -- are such heroes in the modern Democratic Party, speaks to how far anti-Semitism on the left has come in recent years. There are actually a number of left-wing Jews I knew who are alarmed by this, and feel somewhat betrayed, and it's been making some of them reconsider their political allegiance.
    How can you make this argument with Stephen Miller leading the charge?
    Trump loves people who are loyal to him, and Stephen Miller has been loyal since the beginning.

    Beyond that, if Trump feels the person is loyal and mostly agrees with him, he overlooks the negatives that person brings. That's what's been going on with Miller.

    Miller wouldn't have been my choice as an adviser, but the above is why he is there. That doesn't mean Trump and Miller are the same -- more that Trump is just happy enough with him to keep him around.

    It's not all to different from how Obama refused to fire cabinet members who screwed up.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post

    Yes, it is possible to dislike the Israeli government without being an anti-Semite.

    However, many have let that drive their anti-Semitism. Usually a good litmus test for this involves the BDS movement. If you dislike the current Israeli government, but don't support BDS, you're probably not an anti-Semite. If you do support BDS, you probably are. Similarly, if you like Rashida Talib or Ilhan Omar, you are either an anti-Semite or a delusional fool who willfully avoids seeing the obvious about them.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9243631.html
    So what's the more likely explanation here?

    That Trump is a secret anti-Semite, or he just invited someone to a Hanukkah event without fully having that person's history vetted?

    Come on... this is the type of misleading crap I see so often from the left.

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    Can you dislike the Israeli government, the existence of Israel itself, the holocaust narrative, nefarious Jewish influence on American culture, media and government and not be an anti-Semite?

    Asking for a friend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    So what's the more likely explanation here?

    That Trump is a secret anti-Semite, or he just invited someone to a Hanukkah event without fully having that person's history vetted?

    Come on... this is the type of misleading crap I see so often from the left.
    It's so misleading - so he and his administration are just stupid then. How reassuring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    So what's the more likely explanation here?

    That Trump is a secret anti-Semite, or he just invited someone to a Hanukkah event without fully having that person's history vetted?

    Come on... this is the type of misleading crap I see so often from the left.
    It's so misleading - so he and his administration are just stupid then. How reassuring.

    And right, very normal to keep in unabashed white nationalist as a senior policy adviser, because he's loyal to you.

    This is the man you're voting for to lead your country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
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    Netanyahu and Trump kiss each others ass and have a lot in common (keeping brown people out and getting indicted/impeached for example) => Trump supporters defend Israel => The left attacks Israel. Nobody cares who celebrates Hanukkah.
    He tries to keep people from Muslim countries out because he perceives them to be terror threats, and the people from Mexico out because he perceives them to be both a violent crime threat and a drain on our resources.

    Even if you disagree with his conclusions about these people, this isn't policy borne from racism, though the left tries very hard to push the narrative that Trump is an open racist.
    Yea that's the definition of a racist. Prejudice and wild generalizations dictating your behavior. You know racist stuff.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    You do realize that Trump isn't keeping certain people out because they're "brown", right?

    He tries to keep people from Muslim countries out because he perceives them to be terror threats, and the people from Mexico out because he perceives them to be both a violent crime threat and a drain on our resources.

    Even if you disagree with his conclusions about these people, this isn't policy borne from racism, though the left tries very hard to push the narrative that Trump is an open racist.
    When someone talking about group with millions of people and says 'I'm not racist, I'm the least racist person in the world, I just don't want them here because I perceive them as a threat', it doesn't mean they aren't racist. That's literally what racists say.

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    I feel this phobia against racist people of no color is unsettling.

    What kind of hate site are you running here druff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    So what's the more likely explanation here?

    That Trump is a secret anti-Semite, or he just invited someone to a Hanukkah event without fully having that person's history vetted?

    Come on... this is the type of misleading crap I see so often from the left.
    The explanation is that Trump is a racist who likes “Jews” because he greatly admires them for the negative stereotype that anti-Semites level at them, i.e. being crafty in business dealings. But he abhors the Jews who promote the Jewish ideals of human rights and treating one’s neighbors fairly that is founded in the teachings of the Old Testament and carried down through the generations by Talmudic teachings.

    And his affinity for that type of “Jewishness” (as Trump sees it) motivates him to align himself with Zionists of all stripes, because as a racist, he equates the State of Israel with Jewishness. And some of those Israel-loving-without-question allies include the Evangelical Christians who will *publicly* express their believe in the prophecies of the Book of Revelation and the End Times destruction of Israel and the eternal damnation of non-converted Jews to Hell.
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    In before Druff rationalizes his president bullying a 16 year old girl on Twitter by blaming the left for exploiting her.
    PokerFraudAlert...will never censor your claims, even if they're against one of our sponsors. In addition to providing you an open forum report fraud within the poker community, we will also analyze your claims with a clear head an unbiased point of view. And, of course, the accused will always have the floor to defend themselves.-Dan Druff

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    Hey Druff,

    Please rationalize the fines Trump must pay for defrauding charities, I'm sure it's easily explained.
    PokerFraudAlert...will never censor your claims, even if they're against one of our sponsors. In addition to providing you an open forum report fraud within the poker community, we will also analyze your claims with a clear head an unbiased point of view. And, of course, the accused will always have the floor to defend themselves.-Dan Druff

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe View Post
    In before Druff rationalizes his president bullying a 16 year old girl on Twitter by blaming the left for exploiting her.

    well that's all it is. its not a 16 year old girl, its living propaganda and should be repudiated. human beings cant control their emotions very well so these scammers use kids to try to get their way. parkland florida shooting classic case

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