FYPOriginally Posted by duped_samaritan
Nice talking point, but they're impeaching him for using military aid to pressure Ukraine to announce an investigation of Biden and the DNC.
(Because Trump only cares about the optics of such an announcement, not necessarily an actual investigation.)
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everything i said is true. and i really believe grandpa biden is going to be the big loser in all of this.Nice talking point, but they're impeaching him for using military aid to pressure Ukraine to investigate Biden and the DNC.
I don't think they'd 'railroad' him for jaywalking.everything i said is true. and i really believe grandpa biden is going to be the big loser in all of this.
And everything I said is true.
They’re impeaching him for bribery.Nice talking point, but they're impeaching him for using military aid to pressure Ukraine to investigate Biden and the DNC.
So isn’t it a fair point to wonder why zero of the democrats have asked zero of the witnesses testifying if bribery occurred?
over the past few pages, you just keep repeating that there's nothing to see here yet you go to amazing lengths to avoid actually discussing anything substantive.everything i said is true. and i really believe grandpa biden is going to be the big loser in all of this.
you are perfectly representative of every trump supporter i know (and in this thread).
i'm thinking of a way to be respectful but i'm on the verge of losing it. no that would not be a fair point. whether he committed bribery is a legal conclusion. you don't ask fact witnesses to make legal conclusions. also, quid pro quo, depending on what is being exchanged, can absolutely be bribery, without using the word "bribery."They’re impeaching him for bribery.
So isn’t it a fair point to wonder why zero of the democrats have asked zero of the witnesses testifying if bribery occurred?
i'm about to lose my fucking mind with you people.
bribery,,dat's it...we're going wit dat one now. we have a zero % chance of any of this stuff sticking, but let's not lose sight of our main goal of wasting money and trying to take election points away from our bitter rival.
i'm thinking of a way to be respectful but i'm on the verge of losing it. no that would not be a fair point. whether he committed bribery is a legal conclusion. you don't ask fact witnesses to make legal conclusions. also, quid pro quo, depending on what is being exchanged, can absolutely be bribery, without using the word "bribery."
You don’t need to be a legal scholar to give an eye witness opinion on bribery. The interviewers stray from the facts consistently so why would they act any different here? The dude interviewing right now called it a “shake down”, what the hell is the difference?
Also, lol, if you find this thread stressful go nap it out. Communicating with people with different opinions is scary business nowadays.
Btw, I do think some form of bribery occurred but I think Trump has done 100s of more sketchy things since coming into office. Impeaching Trump for this call is the equivalent of Capone going to prison for tax evasion.
Last edited by nightmarefish; 11-20-2019 at 04:44 PM.
Small doses Blake. PFA isn’t a real place. Neither is Twitter or Facebook. Arguments can’t be won or lost here.
we agree on your ultimate conclusion as to what trump did
You don’t need to be a legal scholar to give an eye witness opinion on bribery. The interviewers stray from the facts consistently so why would they act any different here? The dude interviewing right now called it a “shake down”, what the hell is the difference?
Also, lol, if you find this thread stressful go nap it out. Communicating with people with different opinions is scary business nowadays.
Btw, I do think some form of bribery occurred but I think Trump has done 100s of more scatchy things since coming into office. Impeaching Trump for this call is the equivalent of Capone going to prison for tax evasion.
but prosecutors don't ask witnesses "so did he commit extortion?" or "would you say that's embezzlement?" please don't buy into the sean hannity spin. he assumes you're an idiot.
lawyers ask the witnesses what they saw, not to give a conclusion. like, "what did rudy tell you to do next?" then what? etc., etc.
i'm sorry but the most frustrating part of this discussion is that literally the entire line of questioning today was about bribery (or quid pro quo, whatever you want to call it).
“Was there a quid pro quo? The answer is yes.”
- Sondland
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
do u stil operate sonatine's site.something or other?
“Was there a quid pro quo? The answer is yes.”
- Sondland
i miss those cascading cats with bugles
do u stil operate sonatine's site.something or other?
i miss those cascading cats with bugles
we moved it to the VIP forum but we may open up the books again.
also fun fact:
root@knowledge:/var/www# whois sonatine's site.com |grep Creation
Creation Date: 2010-03-13T10:05:01Z
root@knowledge:/var/www# whois pokerfraudalert.com |grep Creation
Creation Date: 2012-03-01T01:46:19Z
lol @ todd brazenly ripping off my site. unbelievable.
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
more memory lane
root@glory:~/www.donkdown.com# ls -al
total 20
drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Jun 7 2015 .
drwx------ 14 root root 4096 May 30 2018 ..
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jun 7 2015 icons
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 574 Aug 16 2014 robots.txt
drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Jun 7 2015 wp-content
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
They’re not in a court of law and there aren’t any prosecutors.we agree on your ultimate conclusion as to what trump did
but prosecutors don't ask witnesses "so did he commit extortion?" or "would you say that's embezzlement?" please don't buy into the sean hannity spin. he assumes you're an idiot.
lawyers ask the witnesses what they saw, not to give a conclusion. like, "what did rudy tell you to do next?" then what? etc., etc.
i'm sorry but the most frustrating part of this discussion is that literally the entire line of questioning today was about bribery (or quid pro quo, whatever you want to call it).
you ignored every word i said.They’re not in a court of law and there aren’t any prosecutors.
After you ignored every word I said, you are correct.you ignored every word i said.
What do you think the purpose of this inquiry is? NP got in front of the world and said that it’s because the president committed bribery and she wants to give transparency to the American people, end game being impeachment. The only way an impeachment will be successful is for the Dems to convince the American people that Trump should be removed from office and in turn the senate republicans might turn on Trump. She’s claiming bribery and has a bunch of eye witnesses. Doesn’t it make a better case when going for impeachment if you can say we have 10 eye witnesses who testified under oath that they believe there was bribery? If that doesn’t carry any weight then why is the whistleblowers opinion so valuable? The battle that really needs to be won is in the court of public opinion.
After you ignored every word I said, you are correct.
What do you think the purpose of this inquiry is? NP got in front of the world and said that it’s because the president committed bribery and she wants to give transparency to the American people, end game being impeachment. The only way an impeachment will be successful is for the Dems to convince the American people that Trump should be removed from office and in turn the senate republicans might turn on Trump. She’s claiming bribery and has a bunch of eye witnesses. Doesn’t it make a better case when going for impeachment if you can say we have 10 eye witnesses who testified under oath that they believe there was bribery? If that doesn’t carry any weight then why is the whistleblowers opinion so valuable? The battle that really needs to be won is in the court of public opinion.
you don't get it. the democrats would be laughed at for asking sondland, "so, did trump commit bribery?" why is that for him to decide? why does his opinion even matter? you don't ask witnesses these questions. wtf is wrong with you?
and my god, if he actually said "yes," how badly would the republicans (justifiably) murder him for showing obvious bias? you actually think sondland giving his opinion that trump's a criminal would help the democrats? you don't see a problem with an impartial witness acting as the judge?
jesus christ
So you don’t think any of the eye witnesses’ opinions matter yet the whistleblower’s opinion which isn’t first hand somehow matters? What the hell are you talking about?
you don't get it. the democrats would be laughed at for asking sondland, "so, did trump commit bribery?" why is that for him to decide? why does his opinion even matter? you don't ask witnesses these questions. wtf is wrong with you?
and my god, if he actually said "yes," how badly would the republicans (justifiably) murder him for showing obvious bias? you actually think sondland giving his opinion that trump's a criminal would help the democrats? you don't see a problem with an impartial witness acting as the judge?
jesus christ
It’s hilarious that you refuse to admit the Dems are making mistakes. In line with Trump supporters who can’t admit he lies.
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