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    the admiral of the navy is filing the paperwork to rescind trump's rescindment of the navy kicking a murdering criminal psychopath out of the seals.

    so i think the whole 'the military will back trumps junta in 2020' concern may be a non issue at this point.
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    Not that I fully trust the source, but I totally have no issue believing that Vindman wasn't exactly an impartial witness:

    https://tennesseestar.com/2019/11/05...culed-america/

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    I like the cut of this Sondland fellow’s jib.

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    I know that members of this Committee have frequently framed these complicated issues in the form of a simple question: Was there a “quid pro quo?” As I testified previously, with regard to the requested White House call and White House meeting, the answer is yes.

    Within my State Department emails, there is a July 19 email that I sent to Secretary Pompeo, Secretary Perry, Brian McCormack (Perry’s Chief of Staff), Ms. Kenna, Acting Chief of Staff and OMB Director Mick Mulvaney (White House), and Mr. Mulvaney’s Senior Advisor Robert Blair. A lot of senior officials. Here is my exact quote from that email:

    “I Talked to Zelensky just now… He is prepared to receive Potus’ call. Will assure him that he intends to run a fully transparent investigation and will ‘turn over every stone’. He would greatly appreciate a call prior to Sunday so that he can put out some media about a ‘friendly and productive call’ (no details) prior to Ukraine election on Sunday.” Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney responded: “I asked NSC to set it up for tomorrow.”

    Everyone was in the loop. It was no secret. Everyone was informed via email on July 19, days before the
    Presidential call. As I communicated to the team, I told President Zelensky in advance that assurances to “run a fully transparent investigation” and “turn over every stone” were necessary in his call with President Trump.


    lol

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Not that I fully trust the source, but I totally have no issue believing that Vindman wasn't exactly an impartial witness:

    https://tennesseestar.com/2019/11/05...culed-america/
    Of course you don’t. As a loyal post-truth Republican, you have shown that you are wedded to defending almost any partisan smear of witnesses against Trump in this matter.



    Seriously, man. Have you no shame? Does the truth of Trump’s criminality in his abuse of power as president matter at all to you? Or do you only care that your “side” wins, the law and the Constitution be damned.

     
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    what is the republican defense now? giuliani was acting alone? sondland said that giuliani insisted that ukraine "publicly announce" an investigation into the bidens before trump would agree to meet with zelensky. the "publicly announce" part is the most damning part of it, since if trump was really interested in rooting out corruption, a "public announcement" would be the last thing that would be needed. if, on the other hand, you wanted to tarnish a political rival, well...

    also amazing that nunes praised sondland before his testimony. whoops

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    Quote Originally Posted by blake View Post
    what is the republican defense now? giuliani was acting alone? sondland said that giuliani insisted that ukraine "publicly announce" an investigation into the bidens before trump would agree to meet with zelensky. the "publicly announce" part is the most damning part of it, since if trump was really interested in rooting out corruption, a "public announcement" would be the last thing that would be needed. if, on the other hand, you wanted to tarnish a political rival, well...

    also amazing that nunes praised sondland before his testimony. whoops
    Just about everytime Nunes talks I cringe. If I took everything he says on face value I'd think he's seriously retarded... he just keeps talking shit and quoting all sorts of fake news and pseudo - facts.
    Condescending, rude cunt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blake View Post
    I know that members of this Committee have frequently framed these complicated issues in the form of a simple question: Was there a “quid pro quo?” As I testified previously, with regard to the requested White House call and White House meeting, the answer is yes.

    Within my State Department emails, there is a July 19 email that I sent to Secretary Pompeo, Secretary Perry, Brian McCormack (Perry’s Chief of Staff), Ms. Kenna, Acting Chief of Staff and OMB Director Mick Mulvaney (White House), and Mr. Mulvaney’s Senior Advisor Robert Blair. A lot of senior officials. Here is my exact quote from that email:

    “I Talked to Zelensky just now… He is prepared to receive Potus’ call. Will assure him that he intends to run a fully transparent investigation and will ‘turn over every stone’. He would greatly appreciate a call prior to Sunday so that he can put out some media about a ‘friendly and productive call’ (no details) prior to Ukraine election on Sunday.” Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney responded: “I asked NSC to set it up for tomorrow.”

    Everyone was in the loop. It was no secret. Everyone was informed via email on July 19, days before the
    Presidential call. As I communicated to the team, I told President Zelensky in advance that assurances to “run a fully transparent investigation” and “turn over every stone” were necessary in his call with President Trump.


    lol
    Okay?

    This would show that Trump wanted an investigation into corruption in Ukraine prior to the talk about aid.

    Sondland admitted later under questioning that Trump had long expressed concern about corruption in Ukraine, prior to this incident.

    Sondland also testified that Biden's name never came up, nor did he have any proof that this investigation was about getting Biden in some way.

    It's very possible that Trump's actual reason for wanting the investigation in Ukraine to eventually turn back to Biden, but Sondland's testimony doesn't prove that in any way.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by blake View Post
    I know that members of this Committee have frequently framed these complicated issues in the form of a simple question: Was there a “quid pro quo?” As I testified previously, with regard to the requested White House call and White House meeting, the answer is yes.

    Within my State Department emails, there is a July 19 email that I sent to Secretary Pompeo, Secretary Perry, Brian McCormack (Perry’s Chief of Staff), Ms. Kenna, Acting Chief of Staff and OMB Director Mick Mulvaney (White House), and Mr. Mulvaney’s Senior Advisor Robert Blair. A lot of senior officials. Here is my exact quote from that email:

    “I Talked to Zelensky just now… He is prepared to receive Potus’ call. Will assure him that he intends to run a fully transparent investigation and will ‘turn over every stone’. He would greatly appreciate a call prior to Sunday so that he can put out some media about a ‘friendly and productive call’ (no details) prior to Ukraine election on Sunday.” Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney responded: “I asked NSC to set it up for tomorrow.”

    Everyone was in the loop. It was no secret. Everyone was informed via email on July 19, days before the
    Presidential call. As I communicated to the team, I told President Zelensky in advance that assurances to “run a fully transparent investigation” and “turn over every stone” were necessary in his call with President Trump.


    lol
    Okay?

    This would show that Trump wanted an investigation into corruption in Ukraine prior to the talk about aid.

    Sondland admitted later under questioning that Trump had long expressed concern about corruption in Ukraine, prior to this incident.

    Sondland also testified that Biden's name never came up, nor did he have any proof that this investigation was about getting Biden in some way.

    It's very possible that Trump's actual reason for wanting the investigation in Ukraine to eventually turn back to Biden, but Sondland's testimony doesn't prove that in any way.
    sorry I didn’t quote the best part.

    sondland said Giuliani told him that zelensky must publicly announce an investigation into the bidens but didn’t actually have to go forward with it.

    checkmate unless giuliani acted alone

    I’m a bit surprised you’re taking the position you are

     
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    Ken starr, who has been 100% anti-trump impeachment, said this testimony “doesn’t look good” for trump and called it a “bombshell.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by blake View Post
    I know that members of this Committee have frequently framed these complicated issues in the form of a simple question: Was there a “quid pro quo?” As I testified previously, with regard to the requested White House call and White House meeting, the answer is yes.

    Within my State Department emails, there is a July 19 email that I sent to Secretary Pompeo, Secretary Perry, Brian McCormack (Perry’s Chief of Staff), Ms. Kenna, Acting Chief of Staff and OMB Director Mick Mulvaney (White House), and Mr. Mulvaney’s Senior Advisor Robert Blair. A lot of senior officials. Here is my exact quote from that email:

    “I Talked to Zelensky just now… He is prepared to receive Potus’ call. Will assure him that he intends to run a fully transparent investigation and will ‘turn over every stone’. He would greatly appreciate a call prior to Sunday so that he can put out some media about a ‘friendly and productive call’ (no details) prior to Ukraine election on Sunday.” Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney responded: “I asked NSC to set it up for tomorrow.”

    Everyone was in the loop. It was no secret. Everyone was informed via email on July 19, days before the
    Presidential call. As I communicated to the team, I told President Zelensky in advance that assurances to “run a fully transparent investigation” and “turn over every stone” were necessary in his call with President Trump.


    lol
    Okay?

    This would show that Trump wanted an investigation into corruption in Ukraine prior to the talk about aid.

    Sondland admitted later under questioning that Trump had long expressed concern about corruption in Ukraine, prior to this incident.

    Sondland also testified that Biden's name never came up, nor did he have any proof that this investigation was about getting Biden in some way.

    It's very possible that Trump's actual reason for wanting the investigation in Ukraine to eventually turn back to Biden, but Sondland's testimony doesn't prove that in any way.
    You appear to only have taken into account the beginning stages of the “continuum of insidiousness”.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blake View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post

    Okay?

    This would show that Trump wanted an investigation into corruption in Ukraine prior to the talk about aid.

    Sondland admitted later under questioning that Trump had long expressed concern about corruption in Ukraine, prior to this incident.

    Sondland also testified that Biden's name never came up, nor did he have any proof that this investigation was about getting Biden in some way.

    It's very possible that Trump's actual reason for wanting the investigation in Ukraine to eventually turn back to Biden, but Sondland's testimony doesn't prove that in any way.
    sorry I didn’t quote the best part.

    sondland said Giuliani told him that zelensky must publicly announce an investigation into the bidens but didn’t actually have to go forward with it.

    checkmate unless giuliani acted alone

    I’m a bit surprised you’re taking the position you are
    I didn't see that part. Is there a transcript of that portion yet?

    But yes, Trump may be forced to eventually pin this on Giuliani, who may or may not be willing to take the fall for him.

     
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    fun fact; quid pro quo is literally latin for bribery.

    thats what quid pro quo means.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by blake View Post

    sorry I didn’t quote the best part.

    sondland said Giuliani told him that zelensky must publicly announce an investigation into the bidens but didn’t actually have to go forward with it.

    checkmate unless giuliani acted alone

    I’m a bit surprised you’re taking the position you are
    I didn't see that part. Is there a transcript of that portion yet?

    But yes, Trump may be forced to eventually pin this on Giuliani, who may or may not be willing to take the fall for him.
    on an iPhone and cutting and pasting is annoying as hell on this, but relevant transcript cites are here along with video of sondland’s testimony on the issue

    https://www.mediaite.com/tv/sondland...ve-to-do-them/

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    we dont have a functional executive branch and we havent for 3 years.
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    You guys are wasting your employers(for those that are employed) resources and productivity paying attention to this.

    Do you not have any shame stealing money from your organization(s)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OSA View Post
    You guys are wasting your employers(for those that are employed) resources and productivity paying attention to this.

    Do you not have any shame stealing money from your organization(s)?
    I feel as much shame about it as you feel about begging for PFA to fund your Vegas manwhore trips.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blake View Post
    what is the republican defense now? giuliani was acting alone? sondland said that giuliani insisted that ukraine "publicly announce" an investigation into the bidens before trump would agree to meet with zelensky. the "publicly announce" part is the most damning part of it, since if trump was really interested in rooting out corruption, a "public announcement" would be the last thing that would be needed. if, on the other hand, you wanted to tarnish a political rival, well...

    also amazing that nunes praised sondland before his testimony. whoops

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightmarefish View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by blake View Post
    what is the republican defense now? giuliani was acting alone? sondland said that giuliani insisted that ukraine "publicly announce" an investigation into the bidens before trump would agree to meet with zelensky. the "publicly announce" part is the most damning part of it, since if trump was really interested in rooting out corruption, a "public announcement" would be the last thing that would be needed. if, on the other hand, you wanted to tarnish a political rival, well...

    also amazing that nunes praised sondland before his testimony. whoops
    lol

    the democrats hate trump so much they would want to railroad him jaywalking.

    even if trump does/did something wrong no matter how minor you can't believe any negative press about it because it's mostly made up or blown well out proportion. all the dems do is cry wolf.

    i think many peeps see this as well, not just ardent republicans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mulva View Post
    lol

    the democrats hate trump so much they would want to railroad him jaywalking.

    even if trump does/did something wrong no matter how minor you can't believe any negative press about it because it's mostly made up or blown well out proportion. all the dems do is cry wolf.

    i think many peeps see this as well, not just ardent republicans.
    Nice talking point, but they're impeaching him for using military aid to pressure Ukraine to investigate Biden and the DNC.

     
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