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    Quote Originally Posted by TheXFactor View Post
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    I donÂ’t know a single Obama/Trump voter who has cooled on Trump here in the areas that delivered Trump the presidency. If anything, they love him more.

    I think thereÂ’s an untapped market for him within right leaning voters who sat out last election. I know a handful of people who hated the direction the country was going, but viewed Trump as mentally unbalanced and sat the election out last go round. Assuming he doesnÂ’t set the world on fire before the election, I see that segment of the voting block now being more comfortable pulling the lever for him.

    I see chamber of commerce republicans like a Tony or business people who have given voice to being done with him, but those types are never pulling the lever for anyone the dems likely nominate who could also generate enthusiasm and a large turnout. IÂ’m not counting on a lack of enthusiasm from Trump voters come election day. TheyÂ’ll be there. I think he will get 5 million more votes than he did in the previous election.

    A Biden type who could conceivably pull in that moderate republican comes at the cost of throwing a wet blanket on the democratic voters who are most engaged.


    You can go back through this thread pre-election last time and I believed Trump would lose, but always said there must be a ton of support for Hillary in areas that are traditionally more red because IÂ’m sitting here in counties that have voted blue for 75 years and I know these areas are going trump. I trusted the people who make their living off being right about elections knew where the numbers fell. Maybe they will this time, but I wonÂ’t be confident. IÂ’m trusting my eyes and ears this time. I donÂ’t like our nominees. TheyÂ’re either really old or lacking the it factor. The dems will need amazing turnout to beat him. I wouldnÂ’t be comfortable betting either way, but IÂ’d take the dog either way if the price dropped to like .32.
    You've got to be kidding.

    The people who voted for Obama have forgotten about him.

    Obama is busy making money and partying like a rockstar.

    Obama doesn't even support Biden for President.

    Biden will not be the democratic nominee for President.

    It will either be Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren.

    If the democrats are smart, they won't bother campaigning in New York or California.

    They will instead "live" in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio and Florida which will decide the election.

    A lot of the voters who voted for Trump know they made a mistake.

    Most of the Trump voters now know that they voted for a fucking dumbass who has no clue about what the fuck he is doing.

    Trump only knows how to cheat at golf and lie his fucking ass off.




    I have no idea why youÂ’d bold a paragraph where I stated I donÂ’t know a single person who voted for Obama and then Trump who has changed their opinion.

    What Obama is presently doing is irrelevant. Clearly IÂ’m speaking about people I know, not saying there isnÂ’t any. I think thereÂ’s likely few in Ohio and Pa. I spend my entire life bouncing back and forth between Ohio and Pa swing counties. I canÂ’t speak to Wisconsin. While I discuss politics here, IÂ’m not someone who interjects my politics into my normal life and conversations.

    People donÂ’t view me as a partisan outside local politics, which strangely where I live is more personality and less party line. Tim RyanÂ’s move toward extreme moderation is an awareness of the temperature in the room in my area. Trump loyalists will vote for him here in local elections despite his previous close relationship with Pelosi as long as heÂ’s appearing to espouse somewhat moderate views. Not for the presidency. He couldnÂ’t carry his own county. Trump has amazing popularity in rust belt areas. I havenÂ’t seen it wane whatsoever. The cities and the affluent suburbs and rural areas are highly predictable. ItÂ’s the lower middle class working white vote that decides theses states and they havenÂ’t wavered at all as far as what I see and hear every day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by limitles View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by nightmarefish View Post

    They said it during the debates, a watched it live. Maybe someone is lying to you?


    Alright I stand corrected. But do you see how you throw the baby out with the bath water?
    Your country spends more than on health care than most developed nations in the world.

    You could easily afford national health care for all, and would likely save money doing so.
    But your fear of the illegal stops you cold.
    The US accepts over a million LEGAL immigrants a year so I think we more than do our fair share. Since you’re from such a great country and think illegals should get free healthcare and college we could bus them to Canada so you guys can pay for them. How’s that sound?
    Last edited by nightmarefish; 09-03-2019 at 08:47 AM.

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    Oh, it’s happening.

    auto union workers overwhelmingly vote to authorize strikes at GM, Ford, Fiat Chrysler

    lets see how the candidates play this including Trump

    great stress test

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post
    Oh, it’s happening.

    auto union workers overwhelmingly vote to authorize strikes at GM, Ford, Fiat Chrysler

    lets see how the candidates play this including Trump

    great stress test
    if he comments at all, he will 1000000% blame the unions and, in particular, the leadership

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    Quote Originally Posted by blake View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by devidee View Post
    Wait, people actually think Trump is losing in 2020?

    LULZ

    That said, he’ll be the last Republican POTUS ever.
    i don't really agree with this.

    he's run on different issues than any other republican in recent memory. why couldn't other future republican candidates steal his blueprint, maybe tone down the crazy tweets, and win going forward? in fact, i'm quite certain that every republican candidate will at least try this in 2024.

    i find it hard to believe that a non-crazy version of trump would have no chance against an admitted socialist
    You can predict every single election based on racial demographics. Once Texas and Florida go black (brown), they ain’t ever coming back.

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    so qanon is currently pushing pro-iranian websites claiming that iran is anti-globalism / anti-deepstate etc etc and hence the good guys.


    https://voiceofrestart.com/the-rise-of-patriots/


    https://twitter.com/RESTARTLEADER


    guessing we will hear back from mexican mumbles as soon as he graduates from whatever madrasa he's currently cloistered in.
    "Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky

    "America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs

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    Trump may be a huge douche and blowhard but he is an astute business man who is great for the economy, im on board for another 4 years. You have to love his playfull stupidity he is always good for a laugh.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by FRANKRIZZO View Post
    Trump may be a huge douche and blowhard but he is an astute business man who is great for the economy, im on board for another 4 years. You have to love his playfull stupidity he is always good for a laugh.

    so when he bankrupts the economy and somehow writes it off as a personal tax deduction, youre going to be like fuck yeah what an astute businessman?
    "Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky

    "America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs

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    Plus don't forget he is going to buy Greenland.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by nightmarefish View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by limitles View Post

    Alright I stand corrected. But do you see how you throw the baby out with the bath water?
    Your country spends more than on health care than most developed nations in the world.

    You could easily afford national health care for all, and would likely save money doing so.
    But your fear of the illegal stops you cold.
    The US accepts over a million LEGAL immigrants a year so I think we more than do our fair share. Since you’re from such a great country and think illegals should get free healthcare and college we could bus them to Canada so you guys can pay for them. How’s that sound?
    About the legals.

    Myth #1: Immigrants take more from the U.S. government than they contribute
    Fact: Immigrants contribute more in tax revenue than they take in government benefits

    Myth #2: Immigrants take American jobs
    Fact: Immigrants workers often take jobs that boost other parts of the economy

    Myth #3: The U.S. economy does not need immigrants
    Fact: Immigrants are key to offsetting a falling birth rate

    Myth #4: It would be better for the economy if immigrants’ children were not citizens

    Fact: Children with citizenship are more productive workers

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy...he-u-s-economy

    Much of this applies to illegals as well. They come to work and when they do they pay taxes

    You would reject all the benefits national health care would bring because roughly 3% of the population might take advantage?



     
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by FRANKRIZZO View Post
    Trump may be a huge douche and blowhard but he is an astute business man who is great for the economy, im on board for another 4 years. You have to love his playfull stupidity he is always good for a laugh.

    so when he bankrupts the economy and somehow writes it off as a personal tax deduction, youre going to be like fuck yeah what an astute businessman?
    Giving your 16 yr old daughter your credit card is good for the economy too.

    I cannot fathom Trump possessing the leadership to allow us to deleverage from QE post housing crisis. You understand that “great for the economy” = steroids.

    You cannot endlessly print money and borrow. The longer it runs the harder and lengthier the fall will be. It’s physics.

    That is what I would expect a second term president to do. Show some balls and administer some bad tasting medicine when necessary

    Have you guys discussed Universal Basic Income (UBI) ... Stockton CA ... Kamala Harris and the others?

    I cannot believe this is serious business. My mind is blown. My own understanding about America may be out of touch. Regardless, it is evidence of the fork that has occurred. Crazy times.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post


    so when he bankrupts the economy and somehow writes it off as a personal tax deduction, youre going to be like fuck yeah what an astute businessman?
    Giving your 16 yr old daughter your credit card is good for the economy too.

    I cannot fathom Trump possessing the leadership to allow us to deleverage from QE post housing crisis. You understand that “great for the economy” = steroids.

    You cannot endlessly print money and borrow. The longer it runs the harder and lengthier the fall will be. It’s physics.

    That is what I would expect a second term president to do. Show some balls and lead during difficult times.

    Have you guys discussed Universal Basic Income (UBI) ... Stockton CA ... Kamala Harris and the others?

    I cannot believe this is serious business. My mind is blown. My own understanding about America may be out of touch. Regardless, it is evidence of the fork that has occurred. Crazy times.

    thank you, i lack the broad spectrum vocabulary to sum this stuff up.

    i trust economists when it comes to the economy. i trust trump to exploit tax loopholes to somehow turn a profit when his casino goes out of business.

    and so far the dialog between those two parties has absolutely zero overlap, and the economists seem to be delivering consistently terrifying prognosis about the future of the american (and global) economy if trump continues to do his sleight of hand solution-craft.
    "Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky

    "America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs

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    Quote Originally Posted by limitles View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by nightmarefish View Post

    The US accepts over a million LEGAL immigrants a year so I think we more than do our fair share. Since you’re from such a great country and think illegals should get free healthcare and college we could bus them to Canada so you guys can pay for them. How’s that sound?
    About the legals.

    Myth #1: Immigrants take more from the U.S. government than they contribute
    Fact: Immigrants contribute more in tax revenue than they take in government benefits

    Myth #2: Immigrants take American jobs
    Fact: Immigrants workers often take jobs that boost other parts of the economy

    Myth #3: The U.S. economy does not need immigrants
    Fact: Immigrants are key to offsetting a falling birth rate

    Myth #4: It would be better for the economy if immigrants’ children were not citizens

    Fact: Children with citizenship are more productive workers

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy...he-u-s-economy

    Much of this applies to illegals as well. They come to work and when they do they pay taxes

    You would reject all the benefits national health care would bring because roughly 3% of the population might take advantage?



    I think we’re doing great work here. Canada and the US working together on this issue. So we just ship all the illegals to Canada and Canada makes them all legal citizens so Canada gets all these amazing benefits that you listed above. Canada can give them all free health care and college because that will be a drop in the bucket compared to everything these now legal immigrants will provide for Canada. The US then can focus all the funds that were being spent every year on illegal migrants to instead help the homeless citizens we already have. This actually might have some legs bro. See what can come out of real discussion? I’ll email the White House.

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    Do you think we where better off with Obama or would have been better off with that snake Hillary ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightmarefish View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by limitles View Post

    About the legals.

    Myth #1: Immigrants take more from the U.S. government than they contribute
    Fact: Immigrants contribute more in tax revenue than they take in government benefits

    Myth #2: Immigrants take American jobs
    Fact: Immigrants workers often take jobs that boost other parts of the economy

    Myth #3: The U.S. economy does not need immigrants
    Fact: Immigrants are key to offsetting a falling birth rate

    Myth #4: It would be better for the economy if immigrants’ children were not citizens

    Fact: Children with citizenship are more productive workers

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy...he-u-s-economy

    Much of this applies to illegals as well. They come to work and when they do they pay taxes

    You would reject all the benefits national health care would bring because roughly 3% of the population might take advantage?



    I think we’re doing great work here. Canada and the US working together on this issue. So we just ship all the illegals to Canada and Canada makes them all legal citizens so Canada gets all these amazing benefits that you listed above. Canada can give them all free health care and college because that will be a drop in the bucket compared to everything these now legal immigrants will provide for Canada. The US then can focus all the funds that were being spent every year on illegal migrants to instead help the homeless citizens we already have. This actually might have some legs bro. See what can come out of real discussion? I’ll email the White House.
    Recognize that free health care in Canada is not free. We pay for it monthly and through taxes. But because it is run provincially costs are kept in control. Again, through your “private” health care system the costs to you are twice as much. When you cut your health care costs in half you can house the homeless or buy a new nuclear sub

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    Quote Originally Posted by limitles View Post
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    I think we’re doing great work here. Canada and the US working together on this issue. So we just ship all the illegals to Canada and Canada makes them all legal citizens so Canada gets all these amazing benefits that you listed above. Canada can give them all free health care and college because that will be a drop in the bucket compared to everything these now legal immigrants will provide for Canada. The US then can focus all the funds that were being spent every year on illegal migrants to instead help the homeless citizens we already have. This actually might have some legs bro. See what can come out of real discussion? I’ll email the White House.
    Recognize that free health care in Canada is not free. We pay for it monthly and through taxes. But because it is run provincially costs are kept in control. Again, through your “private” health care system the costs to you are twice as much. When you cut your health care costs in half you can house the homeless or buy a new nuclear sub
    So do we have a deal or not?

    Also, no shit free healthcare isn’t free. Interesting enough, free college isn’t free either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightmarefish View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by limitles View Post

    Recognize that free health care in Canada is not free. We pay for it monthly and through taxes. But because it is run provincially costs are kept in control. Again, through your “private” health care system the costs to you are twice as much. When you cut your health care costs in half you can house the homeless or buy a new nuclear sub
    So do we have a deal or not?

    Also, no shit free healthcare isn’t free. Interesting enough, free college isn’t free either.
    You've heard the term “you get what you deserve?” Well all your problems are yours and deserved.
    You act like everything bad that happens is because of someone or something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by limitles View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by nightmarefish View Post

    So do we have a deal or not?

    Also, no shit free healthcare isn’t free. Interesting enough, free college isn’t free either.
    You've heard the term “you get what you deserve?” Well all your problems are yours and deserved.
    You act like everything bad that happens is because of someone or something else.
    So you don’t want the illegal immigrants? Why not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightmarefish View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by limitles View Post

    You've heard the term “you get what you deserve?” Well all your problems are yours and deserved.
    You act like everything bad that happens is because of someone or something else.
    So you don’t want the illegal immigrants? Why not?
    I have zero problems with immigrants. My family is an immigrant family as is yours I'm sure.
    You're tying illegals to something else you don't want, which is a national health program
    that would benefit all. Baby with the bath water. Your racism won't allow you to even consider it.
    It's illogical to not consider something that benefits the vast majority, because of a tiny minority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by limitles View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by nightmarefish View Post

    So you don’t want the illegal immigrants? Why not?
    I have zero problems with immigrants. My family is an immigrant family as is yours I'm sure.
    You're tying illegals to something else you don't want, which is a national health program
    that would benefit all. Baby with the bath water. Your racism won't allow you to even consider it.
    It's illogical to not consider something that benefits the vast majority, because of a tiny minority.
    So why won’t you say Canada should take them?

    Also, classic libtard logical. If an American doesn’t want illegal immigrants then he’s racist, makes sense. Just curious, 5 years ago when Obama was also trying to keep out illegals and deporting thousands of them, was he racist?

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