Time to get on the TRUMP train

[Zap_the_Fractions_Giraffe]

shithole

[ErickAA]

Trump: I wont accept any salary for being president.


Also Trump: But I will pass a tax bill that literally benefits real estate scammers with pass-through LLCs that is going to be worth millions and millions of dollars a year to me.

See, this is where I feel Trump's critics are unfair.

I've heard these conspiracy theories that Trump became President simply to benefit himself and his business.

I don't believe that to be at all true.

Trump is over 70 years old and already has a ton of money. While I'm sure he still likes tax breaks, going through a tough Presidential campaign, doing the very involved job of being President, AND making yourself hated by half the country.

But then there's still the question of, "Once Trump became President, did he look to do things to benefit himself?"

That's a tougher one to answer, but of course a pro-business Republican is naturally going to push for legislation which benefits which benefit businesses, so if he's also a business owner, he will benefit.

But that still doesn't mean he passed these laws to benefit himself -- just that he benefited from it because he's also a business owner.

I don't think he even really wanted to be President. I think he wanted to lose a close election, build his profile, and then leverage this into some other TV stuff.

Once he won the presidency, I think he kinda decided, "As long as I am here, might as well make some $$," and supported stuff that would make him and his cronies $$, which isn't too hard given the Republican Party is on a mission to give the top 1% as much as possible anyways.

[sonatine]

See, this is where I feel Trump's critics are unfair.

I've heard these conspiracy theories that Trump became President simply to benefit himself and his business.

I don't believe that to be at all true.

Trump is over 70 years old and already has a ton of money. While I'm sure he still likes tax breaks, going through a tough Presidential campaign, doing the very involved job of being President, AND making yourself hated by half the country.

But then there's still the question of, "Once Trump became President, did he look to do things to benefit himself?"

That's a tougher one to answer, but of course a pro-business Republican is naturally going to push for legislation which benefits which benefit businesses, so if he's also a business owner, he will benefit.

But that still doesn't mean he passed these laws to benefit himself -- just that he benefited from it because he's also a business owner.

I don't think he even really wanted to be President. I think he wanted to lose a close election, build his profile, and then leverage this into some other TV stuff.

Once he won the presidency, I think he kinda decided, "As long as I am here, might as well make some $$," and supported stuff that would make him and his cronies $$, which isn't too hard given the Republican Party is on a mission to give the top 1% as much as possible anyways.

My working theory has always been that he didnt want to win and simply wanted to start his own Fox News clone.

And I'll tell you something.. nothing about Russia randomly wacking a dozen high profile 'diplomats' immediately after he got elected shakes my faith in that opinion; I think Russia wanted Trump TV as bad as Trump did, so they could parlay the success of RT. I think a bunch of Russian operators over did it, tipped the scale too far, and got dealt with.

For the longest I was convinced Russia wanted Trump to win because he's just so fucking simple on top of being compromised just from being a scumbag real estate thug, but real talk when I look at how badly Trump is fucking up and add that to the Dead Boris Club bodycount, this all starts to feel like a bad joke that went too far.

[devidee]

I'm sure Hillary Clinton had nothing to do with Trump getting elected.

You know, muh Russians.

[sonatine]

if someone told me devidee didnt vote for trump at this point id be stunned frankly.

[devidee]

Technicality, Sean...

[hongkonger]

I'm sure Hillary Clinton had nothing to do with Trump getting elected.

You know, muh Russians.

Just because Hillary sucked as a candidate doesn't mean the Russians didn't set their spooks to work to seize a golden opportunity. They're not mutually exclusive.

OJ was guilty and the cops were shady racists. Both things can be true.

[devidee]

I'm sure Hillary Clinton had nothing to do with Trump getting elected.

You know, muh Russians.

Just because Hillary sucked as a candidate doesn't mean the Russians didn't set their spooks to work to seize a golden opportunity. They're not mutually exclusive.

OJ was guilty and the cops were shady racists. Both things can be true.

Hillary was the only candidate capable of losing to Trump.

But yeah, muh Russians.

[hongkonger]

Technicality, Sean...

"Something about sucking a dick just feels queer to me." LOL

Words of wisdom and yet in 2018 they're in dispute.

[MumblesBadly]

he agreed to champion and pass RyanTax as long as it made him money, point blank.

maybe its a 'grown up in ny thing' but this is what donald trump does. he fucks people over. thats how he made his money; by not paying people, and making it prohibitively expensive to sue him.

the dudes a predator.

its one thing to be like dish and think thats cool, but dont kid yourself into thinking it was some weird coincidence that by the time his tax bill hit the books, it fucked over his enemies and lined his pockets.

Druffs naivety when it comes to Trump is pretty surprising. It's truly interesting shit considering in all these years it's really the only time he's acted like he has the blinders on when it comes to someone committing fraudulent acts.

Druff is not naive about Trump. He just doesn't care if Trump is corrupt as shit as long as the GOP can enact policies he likes with Trump in the White House playing his part as POTUS.

[blake]

Technicality, Sean...

honestly, this makes me want trump to win again in 2020

[sonatine]

Technicality, Sean...

honestly, this makes me want trump to win again in 2020

a fake conversation turned into a forced meme makes you want trump to win again in 2020?

[lol wow]

SOUNDS LIKE A SHRILLARY CLINTON VOTER

[gimmick]

Just because Hillary sucked as a candidate doesn't mean the Russians didn't set their spooks to work to seize a golden opportunity. They're not mutually exclusive.

OJ was guilty and the cops were shady racists. Both things can be true.

Hillary was the only candidate capable of losing to Trump.

But yeah, muh Russians.

There might have been a few republicans that lost to Trump before that. Apparently it was their strongest line up to date.

[devidee]

Hillary was the only candidate capable of losing to Trump.

But yeah, muh Russians.

There might have been a few republicans that lost to Trump before that. Apparently it was their strongest line up to date.

Hillary's camp wanted Trump to win the nomination. It was part of their strategy.

But again, muh Russians.

[blake]

honestly, this makes me want trump to win again in 2020

a fake conversation turned into a forced meme makes you want trump to win again in 2020?

yes

[gimmick]

There might have been a few republicans that lost to Trump before that. Apparently it was their strongest line up to date.

Hillary's camp wanted Trump to win the nomination. It was part of their strategy.

But again, muh Russians.

So the reason Trump won the primaries was, muh Hillary?

I don't know about that. Are you saying it would be possible to influence elections? I was under the impression that only the quality of candidates mattered.

[ErickAA]

In referenced to the "shithole" comment, I will say it is interesting how it seems immigrants from the worst countries are the nicest people at the individual level when you get to know them. I think a lot of the disconnect is that we hold our leaders so much more accountable than they do in other places, for whatever reason.

I mean, there is a lot of grunching about how horrible Trump (and the Republican Party in general is), and a lot of it is fair, but at least we have a system where we can criticize our leadership and hold them accountable, and I have a feeling the Republicans are going to get pounded in a lot of elections across the country in the next few years as a result of their bad leadership.

There are a lot of Trumps in the world, and for the most part most of them get to do whatever the fuck they want for decades, and the people whose lives are being destroyed by their own Trumps are for the most part pretty complacent about it. You see this in most of Africa and the Middle East.

I guess the PC response to this is to say it is actually the USs fault for this, as we support destabilizing wars and corrupt regimes to further our own interests creating this situation, but I am not sure that is fair. I think there really is a big difference where in the Western world we expect our leaders to act in our interests, and hold them accountable when they don't, where in other places the people cynically accept that their leaders are corrupt and only acting in their own interests and don't give a fuck about the people at all.

I am saying this because there is a lot of pushback against Trump for his Shithole comment, especially from immigrants from Haiti and Africa, but I don't see a lot of people that have anything bad to say about the shitty governments in Haiti and most of Africa that have caused this situation. I think it would be better for these people if they focused a little more energy on the assholes making their countries shitty, as opposed to the asshole who is pretty much just saying what everyone thinks (although I agree a president shouldn't be saying this kind of stuff).

Living in California, I see this same disconnect in the Mexican community here. A lot of really nice people, who for whatever reason are hypersensitive to US officials criticizing Mexico, but don't seem too overtly critical of their own corrupt leadership, which has put them in this position, where they are forced to illegally immigrate to the US to make a better life for themselves.

[devidee]

Hillary's camp wanted Trump to win the nomination. It was part of their strategy.

But again, muh Russians.

So the reason Trump won the primaries was, muh Hillary?

I don't know about that. Are you saying it would be possible to influence elections? I was under the impression that only the quality of candidates mattered.

I'm saying Hillary's camp got what they wanted. And still lost.

[Deal]

I read that the Haiti government responded to the shithole comments by unsealing some court docs that show that corrupt Haitians officials were convicted of money laundering via buying condo's in Trump towers. A large percentage of condo owners in Trump towers reek of the same stench.