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    **Official** Jake Paul vs Mike Tyson Boxing July 20


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    Please, for the love of God, let Tyson turn him into Daniel Franco.

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    I'd be surprised if they can even get this sanctioned as a legitimate fight. Tyson can't make some 195 catchweight. Paul would have to come up to HW, which he's capable of at his size, but unlikely to do.

    Realistically, this is an exhibition spar, and quick cash grab. Maybe they take a few chances but I doubt they really go after each other with any kind of intent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMM View Post
    I'd be surprised if they can even get this sanctioned as a legitimate fight. Tyson can't make some 195 catchweight. Paul would have to come up to HW, which he's capable of at his size, but unlikely to do.

    Realistically, this is an exhibition spar, and quick cash grab. Maybe they take a few chances but I doubt they really go after each other with any kind of intent.

    have any of jake pauls fights been sanctioned as legitimate? not being cute, i legit thought they werent.


    amateur perspective; maybe paul is smart and capable and agile enough to stay out of tysons range?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
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    I'd be surprised if they can even get this sanctioned as a legitimate fight. Tyson can't make some 195 catchweight. Paul would have to come up to HW, which he's capable of at his size, but unlikely to do.

    Realistically, this is an exhibition spar, and quick cash grab. Maybe they take a few chances but I doubt they really go after each other with any kind of intent.

    have any of jake pauls fights been sanctioned as legitimate? not being cute, i legit thought they werent.


    amateur perspective; maybe paul is smart and capable and agile enough to stay out of tysons range?
    Yeah he has a 9-1 actual boxing record. Granted, only one of those have been an active boxer. Tommy Fury. And save for a flash knockdown, Tommy made him look like an amateur.

    I'd say if it's a legit fight, he's got an opportunity to land something big if he survives early on. Tysons footwork and power are still nasty enough to jump on him for 45 seconds or so and unleash some shit he isn't ready for. Jake makes a ton of really sloppy mistakes, but he's got a whole lot of power. He's shown no ability to fight off his back foot, though. Tommy had him falling all over himself and he doesn't have great footwork either.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMM View Post
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    have any of jake pauls fights been sanctioned as legitimate? not being cute, i legit thought they werent.


    amateur perspective; maybe paul is smart and capable and agile enough to stay out of tysons range?
    Yeah he has a 9-1 actual boxing record. Granted, only one of those have been an active boxer. Tommy Fury. And save for a flash knockdown, Tommy made him look like an amateur.

    I'd say if it's a legit fight, he's got an opportunity to land something big if he survives early on. Tysons footwork and power are still nasty enough to jump on him for 45 seconds or so and unleash some shit he isn't ready for. Jake makes a ton of really sloppy mistakes, but he's got a whole lot of power. He's shown no ability to fight off his back foot, though. Tommy had him falling all over himself and he doesn't have great footwork either.

    honestly im just so bone tired of underestimating him..
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    Really hard to imagine 58 year old Tyson beating up on someone less than half his age, who's been legitimately training in boxing for like 7 years or so with top trainers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
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    Yeah he has a 9-1 actual boxing record. Granted, only one of those have been an active boxer. Tommy Fury. And save for a flash knockdown, Tommy made him look like an amateur.

    I'd say if it's a legit fight, he's got an opportunity to land something big if he survives early on. Tysons footwork and power are still nasty enough to jump on him for 45 seconds or so and unleash some shit he isn't ready for. Jake makes a ton of really sloppy mistakes, but he's got a whole lot of power. He's shown no ability to fight off his back foot, though. Tommy had him falling all over himself and he doesn't have great footwork either.

    honestly im just so bone tired of underestimating him..
    Paul probably doesn't get the credit he deserves, however much that is. He IS training hard to box. He fought Tommy Fury a little too soon. Beat Silva, who in his own right, whipped the shit outta JCC Jr in a boxing match just before he fought Paul.

    The guy is a legit tough dude. He'd fold the average man in half in a boxing ring.

    I'm in the minority, in that, it doesn't really bother me. He's brought some eyes to women's boxing with Sorrano. And if they do this right and stack the undercard, it could breathe some life into the sport.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMM View Post
    Really hard to imagine 58 year old Tyson beating up on someone less than half his age, who's been legitimately training in boxing for like 7 years or so with top trainers.

    i dont think tyson needs to beat anyone up per se, like i agree hes not going to win on the cards. part of me suspects he still has the means to end fights while working/exiting the clinch tho, but i wonder if i would change my tune if i rewatched his late career fights. like maybe im confusing prime tyson with aging tyson.
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    I heavily suspect that this will be nothing more than a glorified sparring session; but I still have hope that something will irk Tyson and he'll lose it, catch Paul on the chin, and drop him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
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    Really hard to imagine 58 year old Tyson beating up on someone less than half his age, who's been legitimately training in boxing for like 7 years or so with top trainers.

    i dont think tyson needs to beat anyone up per se, like i agree hes not going to win on the cards. part of me suspects he still has the means to end fights while working/exiting the clinch tho, but i wonder if i would change my tune if i rewatched his late career fights. like maybe im confusing prime tyson with aging tyson.
    Yeah for sure. I mean he's probably still really dangerous especially in early rounds. Against a guy who has below average footwork (for a pro fighter).

    I don't think people talk enough about the end of his career tbh. He was losing to some pretty bad fighters there in the last couple fights. I'm all over the record saying that I think he's probably the most overrated fighter of all time, though. He lost to the best guys he fought. The impact he had on the sport can't be argued, but he never beat a single fighter that puts him in the conversation for GOAT, or even best HW, imo. If he's a top 3 HW, then I guess so is Wladimir Klitschko. Equally dominant, just in different fashion.

    I got off topic. I think it's probably gonna end up being an exhibition style spar.

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    I hope Mike Tyson gets paid big for this, not a huge fan of seeing him involved in this but I do see how it can be a great opportunity for him

    His book is still one of my all time favorites

    I read it during a trip to Spain and Morocco

     
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    Yeah it's pretty tough to imagine Mike Tyson, age 58, beating anyone in a boxing match these days aside from a regular Joe.

    A lot of people underestimate how huge the age thing is in a situation like this.

    It'll get eyeballs, though. I'll grant you that. I'll probably be one of them.

    Did anyone see the cartoon Mike Tyson Mysteries on Adult Swim in the 2010s? Actually very surreal and fairly clever. And it takes place in Las Vegas, though it's probably the first Vegas-set show to almost exclusively show suburban Vegas and not casinos.

    He really does live in Vegas, and has for a long time.

    When I was in NYC in 2012, I saw Tyson there on the street. He seemed to be willing to stop and take pictures with people. I almost stopped and had Benjamin take a picture with him, who was only 2 at the time. Would've been funny to show later. I wish I had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMM View Post
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    i dont think tyson needs to beat anyone up per se, like i agree hes not going to win on the cards. part of me suspects he still has the means to end fights while working/exiting the clinch tho, but i wonder if i would change my tune if i rewatched his late career fights. like maybe im confusing prime tyson with aging tyson.
    Yeah for sure. I mean he's probably still really dangerous especially in early rounds. Against a guy who has below average footwork (for a pro fighter).

    I don't think people talk enough about the end of his career tbh. He was losing to some pretty bad fighters there in the last couple fights. I'm all over the record saying that I think he's probably the most overrated fighter of all time, though. He lost to the best guys he fought. The impact he had on the sport can't be argued, but he never beat a single fighter that puts him in the conversation for GOAT, or even best HW, imo. If he's a top 3 HW, then I guess so is Wladimir Klitschko. Equally dominant, just in different fashion.

    I got off topic. I think it's probably gonna end up being an exhibition style spar.

    actually fuck that i like this topic more.

    i had an interesting experience recently; i started getting deep into the bare knuckle boxing scene. and what shocked me is that almost all the MT / mma legends who end up in bk fights get absolutely destroyed; they either break their hands or they get obliterated by a C tier boxer with a A tier jab and good head movement.

    and the reason i bring this up is you kinda forced me to admit something to myself; i dont fanboy tysons talent as much as i admire how he leveraged dedication and training to take advantage of him having the absolute perfect body type to fold dudes.

    again thats just how my enthusiastic fan eyes see it, the more i learn about actual boxing the more i realize how little i ever knew about it.
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    like if you told me i had 6 months to train and i had to choose between studying with mike tyson or kassim ouma, im taking ouma every single time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
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    Yeah he has a 9-1 actual boxing record. Granted, only one of those have been an active boxer. Tommy Fury. And save for a flash knockdown, Tommy made him look like an amateur.

    I'd say if it's a legit fight, he's got an opportunity to land something big if he survives early on. Tysons footwork and power are still nasty enough to jump on him for 45 seconds or so and unleash some shit he isn't ready for. Jake makes a ton of really sloppy mistakes, but he's got a whole lot of power. He's shown no ability to fight off his back foot, though. Tommy had him falling all over himself and he doesn't have great footwork either.

    honestly im just so bone tired of underestimating him..
    It’s went from he’s not a real fighter to him beating 40 year old wrestlers, to beating marginal fighters, to banging my head off a wall.

    It’s so annoying to try to explain to girlfriends younger boys.

    You go from he’d lose to any real fighter, to I didn’t mean I could beat him up or just some guy, to he’s not the best in the sport or even close. Now he’s fighting the one guy even kids know.

    Going to be really annoying when I have to explain to them what 58 means and get them excited they’ll be beating my ass in a few years. It already happened in a foot race. Went from giant head start, to lesser head start, to me needing a head start.

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    Tyson as a +325 underdog and Paul as a -500 favorite

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    Jake Paul ripped over fight vs. 57-year-old Mike Tyson: ‘You should be ashamed’

    https://nypost.com/2024/03/07/sports...-by-mma-stars/


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    Tyson really has little chance. I’m not even sure if he has much of a knockout chance. He looked horrible in his jones fight 4 years ago. It’s one thing fighting at 45 but he is nearly 60. And for a guy who relies on speed well I can only conclude he is getting an awesome payday.
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    Also bonus video of butterbean. Must watch


     
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