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    There it is folks - the GOP is cracking. 10th amendment lost 48-52 not 47-53 like the first 9.

    The democrats bring forward 300-400 more amendments we might get to 50-50 and have to get Pence out of bed to break a tie.

    I get this all has to be done and in the name of optics they need to let this sham run it’s course, but this is just Kabuki theater.

    how much of a joke is this #? this is so dumb this has to be a scam to let biden gain points in iowa. I wonder what sanders, warren, klob are thinking
    The 33% on the left feel like they are getting an ounce of flesh, and sending in $$ for the fight.
    The 33% on the right feel like this is complete and total bullshit, and are sending in $$ for the fight.

    It’s good theater for everyone in DC in that regard.

    What’s going to be interesting is what do the middle 34% of likely voters in the 5-6 states that actualy count think. Cooter the independent from Birmingham doesn’t count. Tucker from Connecticut doesn’t count either. What Frank and Mary from Ohio is what I’d like to know.

    The result is and always was a fait Compli, it’s all about the optics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daly View Post
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    how much of a joke is this #? this is so dumb this has to be a scam to let biden gain points in iowa. I wonder what sanders, warren, klob are thinking
    The 33% on the left feel like they are getting an ounce of flesh, and sending in $$ for the fight.
    The 33% on the right feel like this is complete and total bullshit, and are sending in $$ for the fight.

    It’s good theater for everyone in DC in that regard.

    What’s going to be interesting is what do the middle 34% of likely voters in the 5-6 states that actualy count think. Cooter the independent from Birmingham doesn’t count. Tucker from Connecticut doesn’t count either. What Frank and Mary from Ohio is what I’d like to know.

    The result is and always was a fait Compli, it’s all about the optics.

    just saw an impeachment commercial on cnn that had the attitude of a blockbuster movie preview

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    ADAM SCHIFF 1 AM ET U KIDDING ME
    It was the Republicans who set this crazy schedule. Most of the trial will be in the middle of the night and it will be without evidence or witnesses. Third world banana republic strongmen everywhere are jealous at how easy Trump has it.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
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    ADAM SCHIFF 1 AM ET U KIDDING ME
    It was the Republicans who set this crazy schedule. Most of the trial will be in the middle of the night and it will be without evidence or witnesses. Third world banana republic strongmen everywhere are jealous at how easy Trump has it.


    were you equally offended at the lack of due process in the house?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellafriend View Post
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    It was the Republicans who set this crazy schedule. Most of the trial will be in the middle of the night and it will be without evidence or witnesses. Third world banana republic strongmen everywhere are jealous at how easy Trump has it.


    were you equally offended at the lack of due process in the house?

    but isn’t the house more like a grand jury where you would always only hear one side?

    I’m honestly not sure about what’s supposed to happen there but that was my understanding

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    Quote Originally Posted by blake View Post
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    were you equally offended at the lack of due process in the house?

    but isn’t the house more like a grand jury where you would always only hear one side?

    I’m honestly not sure about what’s supposed to happen there but that was my understanding

    I don't know about that. But they held some testimony in secret where only certain members of the chamber could attend and then held others in public. So that is not how grand jury's operate either.

    I view the "trial" in the Senate more as a de novo appeal. Everything from below comes up, but you can't add to the record which was already made in the House.

    But hey, I'm no expert in this - nor is anyone else.

    At the end of the day this is politically motivated and driven. There is an election in less than 12 months that will /should resolve this. But that is just my .02 cents.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellafriend View Post
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    but isn’t the house more like a grand jury where you would always only hear one side?

    I’m honestly not sure about what’s supposed to happen there but that was my understanding

    I don't know about that. But they held some testimony in secret where only certain members of the chamber could attend and then held others in public. So that is not how grand jury's operate either.

    I view the "trial" in the Senate more as a de novo appeal. Everything from below comes up, but you can't add to the record which was already made in the House.

    But hey, I'm no expert in this - nor is anyone else.

    At the end of the day this is politically motivated and driven. There is an election in less than 12 months that will /should resolve this. But that is just my .02 cents.

    they held segments of the trial in SCIF, which is an area designed to suppress technical surveillance attempts. this is legally necessary because certain information was classified at the time. its standard procedure, and republicans were allowed to attend.

    hilariously, one of the republicans who declined to attend, in writing, is trumps lawyer who is howling about how he wasnt allowed to attend.

    contemplate this on the tree of woe.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellafriend View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post

    It was the Republicans who set this crazy schedule. Most of the trial will be in the middle of the night and it will be without evidence or witnesses. Third world banana republic strongmen everywhere are jealous at how easy Trump has it.


    were you equally offended at the lack of due process in the house?
    Every committee meeting, the Republicans on the committee were free to attend.

    Also, what sonatine said about the SCIF.

    How was there no due process?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
    How was there no due process?
    Well, we can start with the inability of the accused to call witnesses.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellafriend View Post
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    but isn’t the house more like a grand jury where you would always only hear one side?

    I’m honestly not sure about what’s supposed to happen there but that was my understanding

    I don't know about that. But they held some testimony in secret where only certain members of the chamber could attend and then held others in public. So that is not how grand jury's operate either.

    I view the "trial" in the Senate more as a de novo appeal. Everything from below comes up, but you can't add to the record which was already made in the House.

    But hey, I'm no expert in this - nor is anyone else.

    At the end of the day this is politically motivated and driven. There is an election in less than 12 months that will /should resolve this. But that is just my .02 cents.
    i don't think that's accurate. part of the dems presentation yesterday, which i thought was effective, was a graphic going over every impeachment trial in history and how many witnesses they had.

    all of them had witnesses. president johnson's impeachment had over 100, i think. this would be the first american impeachment "trial" in history with no witnesses.

    edit to note that, this issue aside -- i think the dems probably should have gone to the courts over the white house's refusal to let people testify, even though it would have made this process unbearably long
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
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    I don't know about that. But they held some testimony in secret where only certain members of the chamber could attend and then held others in public. So that is not how grand jury's operate either.

    I view the "trial" in the Senate more as a de novo appeal. Everything from below comes up, but you can't add to the record which was already made in the House.

    But hey, I'm no expert in this - nor is anyone else.

    At the end of the day this is politically motivated and driven. There is an election in less than 12 months that will /should resolve this. But that is just my .02 cents.

    they held segments of the trial in SCIF, which is an area designed to suppress technical surveillance attempts. this is legally necessary because certain information was classified at the time. its standard procedure, and republicans were allowed to attend.

    hilariously, one of the republicans who declined to attend, in writing, is trumps lawyer who is howling about how he wasnt allowed to attend.

    contemplate this on the tree of woe.
    trump's lawyer may actually get in disciplinary trouble for arguing that no republicans were permitted to attend. a lawyer can't just blatantly misrepresent facts in open court

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellafriend View Post
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    How was there no due process?
    Well, we can start with the inability of the accused to call witnesses.
    That's what the trial is for, but the Republicans aren't allowing any witnesses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blake View Post
    a lawyer can't just blatantly misrepresent facts in open court
    Alan Dershowitz does that almost everyday.

    When he's not fucking 14 year old child slaves, Alan Dershowitz is busy fucking over the justice system enabling career criminals to walk free.


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    Quote Originally Posted by blake View Post
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    were you equally offended at the lack of due process in the house?

    but isn’t the house more like a grand jury where you would always only hear one side?

    I’m honestly not sure about what’s supposed to happen there but that was my understanding

    If you are interested in the topic more, listen to the first 15 minutes of mark levin’s show last night. His argument is compelling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
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    Well, we can start with the inability of the accused to call witnesses.
    That's what the trial is for, but the Republicans aren't allowing any witnesses.
    That’s not what the trial is for. The trial is for the senate to make a judgment on whether to convict based upon the evidence upon which the articles sent over by the house are based. The senate is not acting as a trial court. That is what the House did - without allowing trump to meaningfully participate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellafriend View Post
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    That's what the trial is for, but the Republicans aren't allowing any witnesses.
    That’s not what the trial is for. The trial is for the senate to make a judgment on whether to convict based upon the evidence upon which the articles sent over by the house are based. The senate is not acting as a trial court. That is what the House did - without allowing trump to meaningfully participate.
    This is correct, but if we are being honest he didn’t want to participate. Pleading the 5th in his own way.

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    Schiff and Sekulow are the only two that aren't boring af to listen to for more than 5 minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellafriend View Post
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    That's what the trial is for, but the Republicans aren't allowing any witnesses.
    That’s not what the trial is for. The trial is for the senate to make a judgment on whether to convict based upon the evidence upon which the articles sent over by the house are based. The senate is not acting as a trial court. That is what the House did - without allowing trump to meaningfully participate.
    that doesn't explain why every other impeachment trial had witnesses though

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    Quote Originally Posted by blake View Post
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    That’s not what the trial is for. The trial is for the senate to make a judgment on whether to convict based upon the evidence upon which the articles sent over by the house are based. The senate is not acting as a trial court. That is what the House did - without allowing trump to meaningfully participate.
    that doesn't explain why every other impeachment trial had witnesses though
    I wasn’t following the house proceedings that closely. Why didn’t the house just call everyone they wanted when the ball was in their court? I realize the Bolton situation might be different but what about the others?

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