Best ways to Seven Stars or "Diamond in a Day" for Caesars properties around the US

[Dan Druff]

The first part of your post is correct. Unless the machine has reduced tier credit earnings (which is usually marked on the machine), you get one tier credit per $10 played. So, yes, if you run $50,000 of coin-in during a gaming day, you will earn 5000 tier credits, which will then earn you 10,000 bonus, and you've earned Diamond.

However, make sure you understand what the property's "gaming day" is. It's never midnight to midnight. It tends to run from 3:00am-2:59am, 4:00am-3:59am, 5:00am-4:59am, or 6:00am-5:59am. Even worse, most employees don't know this. Your best bet is going to the Caesars Rewards desk, ask for a supervisor, and find out.

To answer your final question, yes, if you get dealt a pat hand in a multi-play machine, and you hold it, you automatically get it on every other hand you're playing. Multi-play machines end up with FAR more emphasis on the dealt hand than the draw, whereas both the deal and draw are important on single-play hands. At a 100-play machine, your success or failure will almost completely depend upon the dealt hands you get. The huge advantage of 100-play is if you're dealt a monster (quads or better). The huge disadvantage of 100-play is if you're not dealt many good pat hands, you will get clobbered no matter what.

Thanks for the reply. I gotta note: The promotion I was referencing was for 10x REWARDS credit. It is the TIER credits that get you to Diamond status. So you'd still be earning the regular 1 tier credit per $10 coin-in during that promotion. I thought 10x sounded too good to be true! Good thing I wasn't dumb enough to lose $600 trying to grind out Diamond status last weekend.... heh.... heh....

Oh, ok.

10x RC basically takes 0.9% off the house edge. Not exactly, because cash is better than RCs, but close enough. But still, if the property has shitty games, that 0.9% isn't too exciting.

[Jayjami]

Daly & I follow Bill Krackomberger. I mentioned he would be on radio today.

Ironically, he was dismissive of the Caesar’s 7 Star program on today’s show. Diminishing value. It’s Caesars at the end of the day, I guess

He really embarrassed some Caesars senior employee in hospitality (a restaurant?). I wasn’t listening too closely. Krack is a zen thing.

He was correct.

Seven Stars has been neutered. The main blow against it was years ago when they removed the free 5-night room stay at any property with no blackout dates. Before you could use it unlimited times, as long as 2 days were in between reservations. No more. Just completely killed it.

They also slightly degraded other benefits, but the room thing was the killer.

Now Seven Stars is only a little better than Diamond Elite, which itself is not all that much better than regular Diamond.

Even worse, Seven Stars is now denied if you get there too cheaply. They look up your theoretical loss getting there (your loss if your luck were to be exactly average), and if it's not good enough, they deny you. All that play and you get denied. Before they used to only check that you didn't have any disciplinary black marks, and that you didn't owe them markers.

So that's what I am -- regular Diamond. That's where the best value is.

I’m currently Diamond Elite and agree with you. Diamond Elite used to be way better when they had the Laurel Lounges. Now it isn’t that much better than regular Diamond, but it’s only more 10,000 TCs to get there.

[Dan Druff]

He was correct.

Seven Stars has been neutered. The main blow against it was years ago when they removed the free 5-night room stay at any property with no blackout dates. Before you could use it unlimited times, as long as 2 days were in between reservations. No more. Just completely killed it.

They also slightly degraded other benefits, but the room thing was the killer.

Now Seven Stars is only a little better than Diamond Elite, which itself is not all that much better than regular Diamond.

Even worse, Seven Stars is now denied if you get there too cheaply. They look up your theoretical loss getting there (your loss if your luck were to be exactly average), and if it's not good enough, they deny you. All that play and you get denied. Before they used to only check that you didn't have any disciplinary black marks, and that you didn't owe them markers.

So that's what I am -- regular Diamond. That's where the best value is.

I’m currently Diamond Elite and agree with you. Diamond Elite used to be way better when they had the Laurel Lounges. Now it isn’t that much better than regular Diamond, but it’s only more 10,000 TCs to get there.

You actually mean Diamond Plus. That's at 25,000 tiers and gets you the lounges, where they still exist.

At 80,000 tiers you get Diamond Elite, which is mostly the same except you get a $600 flight credit to Vegas.

[carnitastaco]

Even worse, Seven Stars is now denied if you get there too cheaply. They look up your theoretical loss getting there (your loss if your luck were to be exactly average), and if it's not good enough, they deny you. All that play and you get denied. Before they used to only check that you didn't have any disciplinary black marks, and that you didn't owe them markers.

So that's what I am -- regular Diamond. That's where the best value is.

Wait shit really? I was going for Seven Stars using a bunch of 5x and 10x tier credit multiplier days and 5k bonuses. I might put in all that time and not even get it?

[Dan Druff]

Even worse, Seven Stars is now denied if you get there too cheaply. They look up your theoretical loss getting there (your loss if your luck were to be exactly average), and if it's not good enough, they deny you. All that play and you get denied. Before they used to only check that you didn't have any disciplinary black marks, and that you didn't owe them markers.

So that's what I am -- regular Diamond. That's where the best value is.

Wait shit really? I was going for Seven Stars using a bunch of 5x and 10x tier credit multiplier days and 5k bonuses. I might put in all that time and not even get it?

It depends upon the host supervisor reviewing your request for Seven Stars. Some of them rubber stamp it, others scrutinize it, and if they believe you got there "the easy way", they deny you.

If you primarily get there via tier multipliers, there is a good chance they will deny you.

On my other site (vegascasinotalk.com), we discussed a multiplier at the end of the year at Ak-Chin in Arizona. A woman who had like 80k existing tier points from slot play was asking if she'd be approved for Seven Stars, if she took advantage of their big tier multiplier. I said yes, because she put in a lot of -EV slot action to get to 80k, so they don't care that much if she uses the multiplier to get the other 70k.

However, if someone optimally gets there, with relatively little coin-in and only playing the least -EV games, they're going to see you as an advantage player, and deny you. This doesn't always happens, as sometimes the supervisors are asleep at the switch, but it's been a real thing for several years now.

As I said, Seven Stars isn't that exciting anymore. They killed the best benefit -- the guaranteed 5-night free rooms, which you didn't need an offer or a host to book. That benefit kicked ass, especially because it had no blackout dates, and you could book as many as you wanted, as long as 48 hours were in between reservations. Once that got killed, Seven Stars became just a glorified Diamond, for the most part.

I am happy enough being the lowest Diamond. I get the priority lines, I get the priority WSOP registration, I get the room upgrades (though usually not to suites), I get the resort fees removed, and I get some preferential treatment. I'll take it.

[skyjo]

I'm scared guys. Is my tier credit going to get applied the way I hope it is? Horseshoe Council Bluffs had a 7x tier credit multiplier this wknd (Made sure it was a tier credit multiplier instead of a reward credit multiplier this time &#128514. I grinded 719 tier credits on the Double Double Bonus multi-play machine. In my mind, that means I earned 719x7=5,033 tier credits that day. Since I earned at least 5K in a single day, I get a 10K tier credit bonus, which gets me to Diamond status.

HOWEVER. The tier credits I earned have been applied to my account, the multiplier hasn't been credited yet. Let's say it gets applied on Monday. Will Caesars reason that I earned 719 TC on Friday and 4,314 on Monday? Then, since neither of those days is at least 5K, I don't get the 10K bonus?

[skyjo]

I'm scared guys. Is my tier credit going to get applied the way I hope it is? Horseshoe Council Bluffs had a 7x tier credit multiplier this wknd (Made sure it was a tier credit multiplier instead of a reward credit multiplier this time &#128514. I grinded 719 tier credits on the Double Double Bonus multi-play machine. In my mind, that means I earned 719x7=5,033 tier credits that day. Since I earned at least 5K in a single day, I get a 10K tier credit bonus, which gets me to Diamond status.

HOWEVER. The tier credits I earned have been applied to my account, the multiplier hasn't been credited yet. Let's say it gets applied on Monday. Will Caesars reason that I earned 719 TC on Friday and 4,314 on Monday? Then, since neither of those days is at least 5K, I don't get the 10K bonus?

Guys, it happened. I got the 7x multiplier, but didn't get the 10K bonus. What do I do now? Was it because these 7x matches dont count towards the 10K bonuses? Or, as I described in my previous post, does the 7x match count on the day it's applied as opposed to the day you earned it? Or the 10K bonus takes an additional day or three to get applied, so I just need to hold tight? Or I need to email them and explain what happened and they will gladly add the 10K?