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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike9999 View Post
    Thank you for tracking and providing this information. I have color coded 9/5 JoB and 9/7/5 DBP strategy cards printed, laminated, and ready to go.

    Iím headed to Vegas tomorrow (staying at the apparently newly renovated Ballys) for my first March madness experience and plan to play DSTP at PH to get 2500 tier credits. Depending how that goes, I may go for another 2500 and DIAD. If not, Iíll have diamond by the end of March with the tier credit bonus i expect from the quest. Will update on how it goes.

    One small correction...if the pay table listed for DBP at Rio is correct, the return is actually 99.16% with the 55-1 straight flush.
    so did you check if it's 55-1 for the SF?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike9999 View Post
    Thank you for tracking and providing this information. I have color coded 9/5 JoB and 9/7/5 DBP strategy cards printed, laminated, and ready to go.

    Iím headed to Vegas tomorrow (staying at the apparently newly renovated Ballys) for my first March madness experience and plan to play DSTP at PH to get 2500 tier credits. Depending how that goes, I may go for another 2500 and DIAD. If not, Iíll have diamond by the end of March with the tier credit bonus i expect from the quest. Will update on how it goes.

    One small correction...if the pay table listed for DBP at Rio is correct, the return is actually 99.16% with the 55-1 straight flush.
    so did you check if it's 55-1 for the SF?
    Unfortunately I lost my license flying to Las Vegas, probably somewhere in BWI or on the plane. My wife had to overnight my passport to get there Thursday. This messed up my plans of opening 4-5 sports betting apps Wednesday and doing 2500 or 5k tier credits. Anyways, i did not get to verify the pay table at rio and did 2500 tier credits at DSTP JoB at planet Hollywood on my last day. The machine is actually very fun lol i was up $1600 at one point after hitting the quads with 8x multiplier but am stubborn and left up $400 to ensure diamond status. Off the topic of this thread, the sports betting apps worked great and in my opinion are a must have for anyone looking to bet sports in Vegas.
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    New TC limits for Diamond Lounge are in effect in Vegas as of last week
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
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    Double Super Times Pay 9-5 Jacks or Better: $1/credit, 3/5/10 play machine, 7 credits per hand when max play (this means minimum $21 per hand). 98.95% return. More variance than regular Jacks or Better, but same strategy. You're paying two credits extra for a "multiplier" which comes on every so often, which is actually a net positive for you. Best machine for racking up tier credits quickly, as you can earn 5000 tier credits in about two hours on 10-play mode. Located in High Limit room. Make sure it's Double Super Times Pay, and the 9-5 paytable. These are in the "All Star II" machines. There are also $2 and $5 3/5/10 play variants of this, but that's really introducing a lot of variance.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $525
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $5,250
    First of all, long time lurker but I wanted to ask... wifey and I are heading to vegas in June, and I am plannning on trying PH as listed above. assuming I am running $35 per hand (5 play) on those machines, what kind of bankroll do you recommend in order to hit a 5k TC grind session?

    thanks again guys, great boards here - much appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by braedo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Las Vegas
    Planet Hollywood
    Double Super Times Pay 9-5 Jacks or Better: $1/credit, 3/5/10 play machine, 7 credits per hand when max play (this means minimum $21 per hand). 98.95% return. More variance than regular Jacks or Better, but same strategy. You're paying two credits extra for a "multiplier" which comes on every so often, which is actually a net positive for you. Best machine for racking up tier credits quickly, as you can earn 5000 tier credits in about two hours on 10-play mode. Located in High Limit room. Make sure it's Double Super Times Pay, and the 9-5 paytable. These are in the "All Star II" machines. There are also $2 and $5 3/5/10 play variants of this, but that's really introducing a lot of variance.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $525
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $5,250
    First of all, long time lurker but I wanted to ask... wifey and I are heading to vegas in June, and I am plannning on trying PH as listed above. assuming I am running $35 per hand (5 play) on those machines, what kind of bankroll do you recommend in order to hit a 5k TC grind session?

    thanks again guys, great boards here - much appreciated.
    High variance on this machine due to the Double Super Times Pay thing.

    Recall you will be cycling through $50k coin to get to 5000 tiers.

    If you fail to hit a royal, that's 2%, so tack on another $1000 expected loss. Your chance of hitting a royal is fairly low in the number of hands you'll run. So, barring a royal, average luck on the rest of the hands would net you around a $1500 loss.

    Then there's the Double Super Times Pay situation. You will be sinking $14,285 into the "tax" for having the Double Super Times Pay bonus. How much will you recover? In the long run, you would actually come out ahead in that part, but if you run bad with the bonus, you can lose several more thousand.

    So you're going into it expecting a $1500 loss, but a $6k loss wouldn't be unrealistic if you don't run well.

    You might want to consider simply getting a Founders Card instead to get Diamond: https://thepointsguy.com/2018/01/max...derscard-2018/

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    Thanks for the reply, Dan. I have actually been using the founders card for a couple years now, which has been more than worth it. However, we have been playing enough lately that I probably dont NEED it, but I am starting to think about trying the Cosmo for more of my play.

    anyways, I am at around 10k TC for the year so far, and so if I could hit 5k plus the 10k bonus, that would get me back into the diamond club. that said, not really trying to chase comps here - the goal is to not flush 3k down the drain. we only play VP and craps.

    long story short- i am thinking I will bring 3-4k to play with over the weekend. I was thinking that might not be enough with such a high variance option as the PH one, but I refuse to go to the Rio (especially without the shuttles)

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    Are these still good for Cherokee? It's only about 3 hours from me, and was planning on doing a weekend trip

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    North Carolina

    There are two Harrah's Cherokee casinos in North Carolina.

    One of them, simply called Harrah's Cherokee, has a number of very good (albeit somewhat high variance) machines to rack up tiers at minimum average loss.

    The other one, Harrah's Cherokee Valley River Casino & Hotel has no good games, aside from some super-high-limit ones.

    Below is a list of games at Harrah's Cherokee. All are located in the "new high limit room" (next to the table games area), unless otherwise indicated.

    25-16-10-4-4 Deuces Wild ("Not So Ugly Deuces") $5 per credit, 1-play (99.73% return): Six machines here. Also four others located in the second room on left side of aisle after entering from parking garage escalator. As this will be $25 per hand, expect some variance. Strategy for this game is here.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $135
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $1350

    9-6 Bonus Deluxe $5 per credit, 1-play (99.64% return): Same strategy as Double Double Bonus Poker. As this will be $25 per hand, expect some variance.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $180
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $1800

    9-5 White Hot Aces $5 per credit, 1-play (99.57% return): Same strategy as Double Double Bonus Poker. As this will be $25 per hand, expect some variance.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $215
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $2150

    9-6 Jacks or Better $5 per credit, 1-play (99.46% return): Six machines here. Four others located in the middle of the casino, close to the circular beverage station. As this will be $25 per hand, expect some variance.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $230
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $2300

    9-6 Double Double Bonus Aces and Faces, $5 per credit, 1-play (99.46% return): Same strategy as Double Double Bonus Poker. As this will be $25 per hand, expect some variance.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $270
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $2700

    9-6 Double Double Bonus Plus, $5 per credit, 1-play (99.44% return): Same strategy as Double Double Bonus Poker. As this will be $25 per hand, expect some variance.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $280
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $2800

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    The Best of the Best

    If looking to earn tier credits cheaply, your best bet are games with both a high return and low variance. Also, games higher than $1, single-play are preferred, to speed up the process (so it doesn't take 10 hours to earn 2500 tiers!)

    Of all the games listed above (ignoring where they are located in the country), here would be my favorites to play for earning tier credits toward Diamond or Seven Stars:

    #1 Choice: Harrah's Cherokee, Not So Ugly Deuces (99.73%). You can earn tier credits quickly at this $5 machine, and you will only average a $1350 loss getting to Seven Stars with it! There will be some variance due to the $5/credit, but it won't be unbearable. Definitely the best choice, if you can make it out to western North Carolina. If you can't play this game, the 99.64% Bonus Deluxe at the same casino is also a good choice.

    #2 Choice: Harrah's Lake Tahoe, 9-6 Jacks or Better (99.54%) $1/$2 credit, 3/5 Play. Low variance, high return, and quick earning of tier credits if you want it. This machine has it all. The only downside is that Jacks or Better is boring.

    #3 Choice: Harrah's Gulf Coast (Mississippi), 9-6 Jacks or Better (99.54%), $5 credit, 3/5/10 play. Variance is a bit high, since it's $75 minimum per hand given the 3-play. Aside from that, it's identical to the Tahoe machine listed in #2.

    #4 Choice: Harrah's Southern California, 8-5 Bonus Poker Aces and Faces (99.26%), $1/$2/$5 credit. Not nearly as good as the others above, as you will lose nearly twice as much as Jacks or Better on average. However, this still isn't a bad option, as it will cost you $3700 for Seven Stars on average, and the variance on this game isn't too high.

    Keep in mind that there are some better choices than #4 if you're willing to put in the 10 hours to play some of the $1, 1-play Jacks or Better machines, such as at Horseshoe Bossier City.
    So, option 2 is no longer available, Dan! I am at Harrahís Lake Tahoe this weekend and went through each machone in the High limit room. Then, I checked vpfree2 website and sure enough, it was not listed there.

    So, playing the 50-play 25 cents machine (and, 50 play is not mandatory on that, minimum is 8 play ($10 minimum). I played 40-play and hit the royal from AKQ, so things looking good.

    As always, thanks for this wonderful service. This blog has been number 1 on my list for the past 12 months. Must have lost unnecessary thousands before I discovered this!!!

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    Thanks for the updated info on Tahoe. Will change my list!

    Glad this thread has saved you money!

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    *Seven Stars Membership is by Invitation Only

    Is it worth it?

    Trying to get Seven Star Membership?

    Or because of new restrictions maybe it's no longer worth it unless you're really a high roller?

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    Regarding Horseshoe Southern Indiana - Was there two nights ago and there are 4 Double Bonus games with the correct paytables on the back wall of the 4th floor, pretty easy to find.. There were also a couple of 7/5 Double Bonus games on the inside part that you wouldn't want to play. I didn't count the other games you listed as I didn't have the info with me to check against. Didn't have time to actually play, so could not confirm it give 1 TC per $10. I couldn't see anything on the outside of the machine that specified.

    I may only need about 2,000 tier points to get to Diamond, so I will probably just put 10K through to get the 1,000 + 1,000 bonus and hopefully will run good.

    Also not sure if this was stated anywhere regarding resort fees. Currently they are not assessed if you are Diamond at time of booking, even if you are not Diamond when you stay at the resort(at least in Vegas). We did this twice in 2018. My brother's diamond expired 1/31/18 but we made two reservations for Feb 2018 and Sept 2018 back in 2017. We stayed at Harrah's and Flamingo. We were not assessed Resort fees either time. It is crucial however that you don't change the reservation once booked if no longer a Diamond at time of the change. At least that is what an agent I talked to said. None of the hotel employees seem to know about this as they saw we were both Platinums at checkin and said we would be assessed the fee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aces View Post
    Regarding Horseshoe Southern Indiana - Was there two nights ago and there are 4 Double Bonus games with the correct paytables on the back wall of the 4th floor, pretty easy to find.. There were also a couple of 7/5 Double Bonus games on the inside part that you wouldn't want to play. I didn't count the other games you listed as I didn't have the info with me to check against. Didn't have time to actually play, so could not confirm it give 1 TC per $10. I couldn't see anything on the outside of the machine that specified.

    I may only need about 2,000 tier points to get to Diamond, so I will probably just put 10K through to get the 1,000 + 1,000 bonus and hopefully will run good.

    Also not sure if this was stated anywhere regarding resort fees. Currently they are not assessed if you are Diamond at time of booking, even if you are not Diamond when you stay at the resort(at least in Vegas). We did this twice in 2018. My brother's diamond expired 1/31/18 but we made two reservations for Feb 2018 and Sept 2018 back in 2017. We stayed at Harrah's and Flamingo. We were not assessed Resort fees either time. It is crucial however that you don't change the reservation once booked if no longer a Diamond at time of the change. At least that is what an agent I talked to said. None of the hotel employees seem to know about this as they saw we were both Platinums at checkin and said we would be assessed the fee.
    The employees were correct AND you are correct.

    If you book as a Diamond and lapse to Platinum before the stay, often they won't catch it, and you will dodge the resort fee. But if they catch it, they have a right to charge you.

    Conversely, if you book as a Gold or Platinum and then make Diamond before the stay, you are entitled to have them re-rate it and remove the resort fee.

    The difficult question nobody can answer is, "What if you become Diamond DURING the stay?"

    You will get different answers to this one. My recommendation if that happens is to go to the front desk, and say, "I'm Diamond, but somehow I'm being charged resort fees. Can you fix this?" Then hand them your Diamond card. If they ask when you became Diamond, you can lie and say it was before the stay but after the booking (they probably won't be able to tell).

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheXFactor View Post


    *Seven Stars Membership is by Invitation Only

    Is it worth it?

    Trying to get Seven Star Membership?

    Or because of new restrictions maybe it's no longer worth it unless you're really a high roller?
    Since the degradation of benefits, Seven Stars isn't worth earning anymore.

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    Would advise you guys to not bother with 7s in the future. I earned about 90% of my points thru video poker and the rest via wsop.com and random table games. Email is so poorly worded it looks like he made it up on the spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biznitch View Post
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    Would advise you guys to not bother with 7s in the future. I earned about 90% of my points thru video poker and the rest via wsop.com and random table games. Email is so poorly worded it looks like he made it up on the spot.
    So basically CET is saying despite the fact you dropped enough Coin In to qualify if you don't keep spending more and more and being a bigger fucking degenerate each trip then fuck you.. That's amazing indeed.. I don't know of any other program that says you have to actually spend more each trip then the previous otherwise we don't want your business.. JFC this is going to blow up in Ceasers face and I cant wait to see it happen..
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    Question does this scheme have any chance for Diamond status (no resort fee on upcoming trip being the goal)? Not sure if anyone has tried to get the TR status upgrade from flashing another rewards card.

    Going to Vegas by myself in October to burn some excess vacation time, and I have booked 7 nights free (comp) at different casino's 3 of those nights will be at Bally's, but have to pay resort fee.

    I don't normally go to Harrah's properties anymore due to the paid parking situation and prefer to stick with MGM for my limited trips where I can park for free from my mlife Gold status. I always rent a car in vegas and go at least twice per year for many years. When I don't take my wife I look to stay cheaply as I am only in the room to sleep.

    According to this promotion below my mlife gold can be granted diamond upgrade at Harrahs at least temporarily which may remove the resort fees until they figure out I am not giving much action mostly playing poker.

    Any chance I could apply for this upgrade on a Sunday and try to use it for waiving the resort fee when I check out on Thursday. I guess even if I have to wait until next trip to use it would be worth having. I ordered a total rewards credit card just to get out of paying for parking. Thanks


    https://www.caesars.com/total-reward...d-tier-upgrade

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    Quote Originally Posted by JTJTJTJT View Post
    Question does this scheme have any chance for Diamond status (no resort fee on upcoming trip being the goal)? Not sure if anyone has tried to get the TR status upgrade from flashing another rewards card.

    Going to Vegas by myself in October to burn some excess vacation time, and I have booked 7 nights free (comp) at different casino's 3 of those nights will be at Bally's, but have to pay resort fee.

    I don't normally go to Harrah's properties anymore due to the paid parking situation and prefer to stick with MGM for my limited trips where I can park for free from my mlife Gold status. I always rent a car in vegas and go at least twice per year for many years. When I don't take my wife I look to stay cheaply as I am only in the room to sleep.

    According to this promotion below my mlife gold can be granted diamond upgrade at Harrahs at least temporarily which may remove the resort fees until they figure out I am not giving much action mostly playing poker.

    Any chance I could apply for this upgrade on a Sunday and try to use it for waiving the resort fee when I check out on Thursday. I guess even if I have to wait until next trip to use it would be worth having. I ordered a total rewards credit card just to get out of paying for parking. Thanks


    https://www.caesars.com/total-reward...d-tier-upgrade
    Yes, you can upgrade to Diamond through a status match and that will remove resort fees.

    Here is more information on it: https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...tus-quot-match

    Also, if you're in Atlantic City, there are even more options: https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...major-programs

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    Thanks Druff good info. Looks like Caesars lowered their standards on this down to Mlife gold which is only a mid tier level. In fact anyone can get mlife gold easily without any play, we got it from the hyatt credit card. Once I get diamond, could use do the same trick with it to get upgraded cards at other properties as long as they are still trying to steal customers from each other.

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    Hi Druff,I am asking if there are any updates to the Las vegas scene situation due to i cannot travel for awhile. thanks, see you at the WSOP...I pray.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shoeshine box View Post
    Hi Druff,I am asking if there are any updates to the Las vegas scene situation due to i cannot travel for awhile. thanks, see you at the WSOP...I pray.
    P.H. has a promotion that if you get 5k tier credits in 24 hrs you get the Diamond card. 5k tier credits +10k bonus. video poker=1 tier credit for every 10$ in. will reset Jan 1,2020. Before i jump in i thought i would run it by you again here. Is it worth it? Or is a M card w/same play better? Thanks.

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