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    Best ways to Seven Stars or "Diamond in a Day" for Caesars properties around the US

    ** Updated March 8, 2024 **

    One of the most frequent questions I get from people is, "How do I get Seven Stars or Diamond in the cheapest way?"

    This isn't an easy question to answer, because it depends where you live. If you are too far away from the best video poker games at Caesars properties, then it won't be cost-effective to travel across the country for a slightly better paytable than your local Caesars casino!

    Therefore, I will use this thread to list the BEST video poker games to play in order to earn Diamond or Seven Stars.

    Before we begin, here are some IMPORTANT facts which are universal to all Caesars properties:

    - You earn Diamond once you reach 15,000 tier credits in a calendar year. You earn Seven Stars once you reach 150,000 tier credits in a calendar year.

    - Most Caesars video poker machines earn one tier credit per $10 wagered in video poker. However, many properties have degraded this on the "better" video poker machines! If you see a notice on the machine that you earn tier credits more slowly (for example, one tier credit every $25 wagered), do not play these machines! With only a few exceptions as noted, the ones I will be listing below are all one tier per $10 wagered.

    - In order to earn tier credits most efficiently, you must earn the maximum number of bonus tier credits each time you play. This means that you must earn EXACTLY 2500 or 5000 tier credits in a day. This is because 2500 tier credits in a day earns you 5000 bonus credits, and 5000 tier credits in a day earns you 10,000 bonus credits. However, any credits earned beyond that will NOT earn you any further bonus credits! For example, playing 4,999 tier credits will still only earn you 5000 bonus tiers (the same as if you had only played 2500), and 12,000 tier credits would still earn you only 10,000 bonus tiers (the same as if you had only played 5000). Again, plan to play EXACTLY 2500 or EXACTLY 5000 tier credits in a day.

    - You can earn "Diamond in a Day" by earning 5000 base tier credits in one day (after the 10,000 bonus tiers). You can earn Diamond in two days by earning 2500 base tier credits each day.

    - It is important to understand that the "expected losses" are likely to be MUCH greater if earning Diamond, as you are unlikely to hit a royal, which accounts for about 2% of the machine's return. Also, if you fail to hit a royal while earning Seven Stars, you will REALLY suffer. If you do not hit a royal while earning Diamond, your expected loss will be approximately an additional $1,000 above what's listed. If you do not hit a royal while earning Seven Stars, your expected loss will be approximately an additional $10,000 above what's listed.

    - A "Caesars day" typically begins at around 6am and ends at 5:59am. It almost never begins and ends at midnight! This is important to keep in mind. Furthermore, each casino has different hours for when their "day" begins. Some are 3am, some are 4am, some are 5am, and some are 6am. Check with whichever casino you play to find this out, if you plan to play into the wee hours of the night. Keep in mind that the hours of the "Caesars day" are constant in each market. So if one casino in Vegas is 6:00am to 5:59am, so will the rest of the Caesars casinos in Vegas.

    - If the next "Caesars day" crosses over while you're playing, you must remove your card, wait 30 seconds, and put it back in, in order for the tier credits to count towards the "new day". So if you inserted your card slightly before 6am, make sure to re-insert it before playing after 6am, if this casino's day starts at 6am.

    - You should always play maximum credits, or you will get screwed when you hit a royal flush.

    - It is good practice to remove your card and put it back in about once per hour or so. When you do so, make sure that it shows your tier credits properly for that day on the little screen next to where you insert your card. If it's not correct, take out the card and reinsert it. If it's still not correct, go to Caesars Rewards and have them check on it. If you do not do this, it's possible you will get screwed out of the tier credits you earned, and it will be a huge pain in the ass to reinstate them.

    - If you played the previous day, it is wise to make sure the screen shows the proper date and the fact that you've earned 0 tiers for the current day. For example, if it's March 20, and if the screen says, "On March 19, you earned 7500 tier credits", then it's still "stuck" on the previous day. You will want to take out your card and put it back in, and look for it to say "On March 20, you earned 0 tier credits" before earning anything toward the current day.

    - Once earned, you keep your status until January 31, TWO calendar years later. For example, any status earned in 2020 will last until January 31, 2022. Therefore, it is not wise to earn Diamond or Seven Stars at the end of the year. Wait until the beginning of the next year to do it!

    Make sure you fully understand all of the above before attempting to earn Diamond or Seven Stars optimally!

    It is also important that you know the proper strategy for each video poker game:

    Jacks or Better: http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-...r/9-6/optimal/

    Bonus Poker: http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-...nus-poker/8-5/

    Double Bonus Poker Strategy: http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-...le-bonus/10-7/

    Double Double Bonus Poker Strategy: http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-...ble-bonus/9-6/

    Triple Double Bonus Poker Strategy: https://www.realmoneyaction.com/vide...oker-strategy/

    Deuces Wild Strategy: http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-...ll-pay/simple/

    You are allowed to print these out and bring them to the machine.

    You can also just bring these up on your phone. Technically this may not be allowed (because your phone is an "electronic device"), but I doubt anyone will care, since these are not interactive and are equivalent to a printed strategy card.

    If you do not play correct strategy, you will waste a lot of money, so make sure you have these either memorized or available to consult!

    In the next post, I will list each market where I know the games are good enough to be worth earning Diamond or Seven Stars.

    If your market is not listed, I either don't know it well enough, or you simply don't have a good option to earn Diamond or Seven Stars cheaply.

    I am also only listing options where one can earn at least 2500 tiers in a day without investing an insane number of hours in a day.

    I am assuming that the average video poker player can play about 500 hands per hour. It will take $25,000 of play ("coin-in") to earn 2500 tier credits in a day. So at a $1 machine ($5 per hand when maximum credits is played), this would take 5,000 hands -- or 10 hours for the average person to achieve. For this reason, I am making this the "cutoff", as I don't think it's realistic to expect anyone to play more than 10 hours in a day.

    On the flip side, I am not listing the very high limit machines (anything more than $5/credit), because their variance is too high for most players.



    Ways to Get Diamond Cheaply Without Gambling

    If you want to earn Diamond without playing, there are two ways. First off, you can get a status match with Wyndham, or you can get a status match to your existing players club card at non-Caesars casinos (you will need to show up and ask if your card can be matched). However, as of March 2022, things have changed. You can only status match with Wyndham if you either earned the status there, or got it via a credit card benefit. You can do the Wyndham match every year.

    Second, you can attempt to status match from other casinos. You can read about this here, but only new Caesars Rewards cards are eligible, and it only lasts for a year.

    Note that as of 2024, the "Founders Card" no longer gets you Caesars Diamond, so I have removed that section from this guide.

    Be aware that earning Diamond through a status match will NOT get you any freeplay or extra comps unless you earn them through play. However, you will get all of the basic Diamond benefits, which is the most important thing here.

    Feel free to add to or correct my list, which is updated as I get information.

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    Las Vegas (Updated December 29, 2022)

    The Las Vegas market has been degraded, and it's been this way for awhile.

    The sad truth is that it's just not very cost-effective to earn your status in Vegas.

    But if that's your only option, here's what you can play:

    There are some 9-5 Jacks or Better machines at $10/tier (98.45%), but honestly they aren't worth playing. These can be found at Horseshoe, Paris, Rio, and Caesars. You're better off playing 9-6 Jacks (found at Caesars) for 99.54% at $25 per tier credit earned, which will result in a lower average loss. These are all in the high limit room, and should be easy to locate.

    Additionally, there's this at Flamingo:


    Flamingo

    7-5 Super Double Double Bonus, 1-play, $1 per credit, progressive (98.61%, plus add 0.01% for every $20 you see the Royal above $4000). This game is similar to Double Double bonus, except the top payouts are higher. I do not have an optimal strategy to give you, so you should play it as you would Double Double Bonus. Might be worth trying if the progressive is high. If you see the Royal at $4780, it's a 99% game. This will earn credits slowly because it's only $1 per credit.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $695
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $6950

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    Lake Tahoe (updated December 28, 2022)

    Lake Tahoe was long of the best options you had to earn Diamond or Seven Stars at Caesars. Unfortunately, they removed the good machines (99.54% return and above) in December 2022, and this market is now just mediocre.

    In case you're wondering, semi-nearby Harrah's Northern California (Ione) has no machines which are even semi-decent, so don't bother with that property.



    Harrah's Lake Tahoe

    25-15-9-4-4 Deuces Wild ("LV Airport Deuces") $1/credit 1-play (98.91% return). Will take you 10 hours or so to earn 2500 tier credits -- maybe more if you're not that familiar with Deuces. At the California Bar.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $545
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $5450



    Harvey's Lake Tahoe

    8-5 Bonus Poker 1-play, $1 per credit (99.17% return). There are six $1 progressive machines near the poker room (they are slant tops). There are four upright $1/$2/$5 machines (1 play) near the elevators. This is a 99.17% theoretical return, and is the best machine in Tahoe, but the $1/credit thing will make earning very slow.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $415
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $4150

    9-6 Double Double Bonus, $1/$2/$5 per credit (98.98% return). There are some of these near the poker room, and others by the elevator. This is the best option if you want to earn Diamond relatively quickly (will take about 2 hours at $5/credit).
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $510
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $5100

    9-5 Jacks or Better 3 play, $0.25/$0.50/$1 per credit (98.45% return). Located by elevators. This will take you about 3.5 hours if you triple play at the $1 level, but this isn't a very good return. Still better than Double Double Bonus if you don't have that much tougher strategy memorized.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $775
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $7750

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    Laughlin (Updated December 29, 2022)

    Harrah's Laughlin still has a few playable machines. Laughlin is located 95 miles southeast of Las Vegas, and is kind of like a mini-Vegas aimed at working class people. There's also the Colorado River there. It gets brutally hot in the summer, sometimes topping 120.

    8-5 Bonus Poker $5/$10 per credit, 1-play (99.17% return). There are only two of these in the high limit room. The rest of the machines on property pay below 98.5%.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $415
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $4150




    Tropicana Laughlin is now a Caesars property.

    8-5 Bonus Poker $1/$2/$5 per credit, 1-play (99.17% return). You can find that machine in the Grand Junction high-end area surrounding the bar. The rest of the machines on property pay below 98.5%.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $415
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $4150

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    Reno

    (Added December 28. 2022)

    Caesars increased its presence in Reno by their merger with Eldorado Gaming. They closed Harrah's Reno, but now have Circus Circus Reno, Eldorado Reno, and Silver Legacy. Circus Circus is useless for video poker, but Eldorado is the best option in the country right now.


    El Dorado

    8-5 Super Aces, $1 per credit, 5-25 coins (99.94% return). This is a great game. It has almost 100% return, relatively intuitive strategy (a little harder than regular bonus poker), and you can do 25 coins, meaning you can effectively play $25 per hand (same as $5/credit). Super Aces is a form of bonus poker which rewards quad aces extra -- half of a royal flush payout! Located near Starbucks. You do not need a kicker to get a big payout. However, don't get too excited by the extremely low "average losses" below. The quad aces comprises a whopping 9.5% of the game's return, so it becomes a horrible 90.5% payout average if you don't hit quad aces! And if you don't hit a royal or quad aces, your return will average 88.5%
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $30
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $300

    Joker Poker 2 Pair or Better, $1 per credit, 5-25 coins (99.92% return). This is a tough game to master, so you should probably avoid it. If you want to give it a shot, learn ALL of the strategy listed in this link. Similar to above, you can play 25 coins, which is effectively a $5/credit game. Located near the "Treasures of the El Dorado" area, and also some bartops.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $40
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $400

    9-5 White Hot Aces, $5/$10 per credit (99.80% return). Good alternative to Super Aces. Also gives bonus for certain kinds of quads, mainly aces. The strategy can be found here. Located in high limit room. If you fail to hit 4 aces, your return will be reduced by 5.6%, and failing to hit quad 2s-4s will reduce your payout by another 6.3%, so the variance can be fairly high on this game.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $100
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $1000

    9-5 Triple Bonus Plus, $5/$10 per credit (99.80% return). Due to the identical paytable, this is the identical game to the above 9-5 White Hot Aces. See the entry above for the info and strategy. These can be found in the high limit room. There are also some 25-coin 25c/50c/$1 machines located near the "Treasures of the El Dorado" area, and on some bartops.

    25-16-10-4-4 Deuces Wild ("Not So Ugly Deuces") $1/$5/$10 per credit (99.73% return): Lots of these machines around, some being 25c/50c/$1 machines with 25 or 50 coin options. You will find these at bartops, near the poker room, near the players club, and in high limit. Strategy for this game is here. Good game for lower variance and high returns.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $135
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $1350

    9-6 Bonus Deluxe $5/$10 per credit (99.64% return): Same strategy as Double Double Bonus Poker. Located in high limit room.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $180
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $1800

    9-6 Royal Aces Bonus $5/$10 per credit (99.58% return): Same strategy as Double Double Bonus Poker. Located in high limit room.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $220
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $2200

    9-6 Jacks or Better, $1-$10 per credit (99.54% return): Tons of these around, including high limit room.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $230
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $2300



    Silver Legacy

    9-5 Triple Bonus Plus, $1 per credit (99.80% return). The best returning machine, but it's only $1, so it will be slow. Gives bonus for certain kinds of quads, mainly aces. The strategy can be found here. Located near the escalator to Circus Circus. If you fail to hit 4 aces, your return will be reduced by 5.6%, and failing to hit quad 2s-4s will reduce your payout by another 6.3%, so the variance can be fairly high on this game.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $100
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $1000

    25-16-10-4-4 Deuces Wild ("Not So Ugly Deuces") $1 per credit (99.73% return): You will find these just outside the high limit area. Strategy for this game is here. Low variance but slow due to $1/credit.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $135
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $1350

    9-6 Bonus Deluxe 25c/50c/$1 per credit (99.64% return): Plays up to 25 coins, so it's like $5/credit at the $1 level. Same strategy as Double Double Bonus Poker. Located between craps tables and the men's room.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $180
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $1800

    9-6 Jacks or Better, $1 3-5 play, $0.10 100-play, $0.25 50-play (99.54% return): Located just outside high limit room. The 10c machine isn't low limit, as you can 100-play it, which ends up $50/hand (equivalent to playing $10/credit single play). This is the one to play if you want a simple strategy and high return.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $230
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $2300

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    Southern California (Updated November 24, 2023)

    It's hard to believe that the state of California, with its extensive list of casinos (second only to Nevada), has only two Caesars properties, and only one in the southern part of the state.

    Harrah's Resort Southern California, formerly known as Harrah's Rincon, is located in northern San Diego County.

    Unfortunately, all of the good video poker is gone from this property. The other Caesars property in the state, Harrah's Northern California, also has nothing playable.

    Bottom line: Don't try to earn Diamond or Seven Stars at either California property!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Lake Tahoe

    Harrah's Lake Tahoe

    9-6 Jacks or Better $1 or $2 per credit, 3/5 play (minimum $15 per hand (99.54% return). Boring, yet efficient. I suggest these machines unless you want to get adventurous with the very slightly "better" machines listed below. If you do 5-play at $1/credit, you can earn 5000 tiers in just 4 hours or so. Even with 3-play, it will only take you about 6 1/2 hours. Make sure the paytables are 9-6, and not 9-5, as some machines in high limit are 9-5 (that is, 5 for the flush instead of 6).
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $230
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $2300


    9-6 Jacks or Better $0.25/$0.50/$1 per credit, 50 play (minimum $62.50 per hand, 99.54% return). If you like multiplay machines, this one is for you. Variance is similar to the 3/5 play game listed above. Despite the seemingly cheap $0.25/credit minimum, this machine racks up tier credits QUICKLY due to the mandatory 50-play. You can knock out 5000 tiers in about 2 hours. Located in high limit area.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $230
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $2300


    9-6 Jacks or Better $5 per credit, 1 play (99.54% return). If you don't like multiplay, there is a simple 1-play $5 machine located at the Highlander Bar on the 18th floor. This is a different atmosphere than the casino, as you'll be playing at an out-of-the-way bar with about 10 machines total (even though there are only 2 of this type), and it will feel more like you're hanging out at a neighborhood bar, rather than playing at a large casino. One advantage of playing up here is that they serve a $5 late-night breakfast until 6am, right at the machine. You can also order a few non-breakfast items, such as chicken strips. The downside is that you may run into distracting and drunk bar people next to you, especially on Friday and Saturday nights.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $230
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $2300

    Harrah's Reno has downgraded its paytables recently. Do not play there. Drive the hour to Tahoe to play these.
    I just got back from a trip to Harrah's Tahoe. I was already well on my way to Diamond (the wrong way -- just from spending money in Vegas), but wanted to try and get the final 4000 tier credits at Harrah's before my next trip to Vegas. My boyfriend was a little apprehensive about the hotel based off the exterior look, but the Executive room (which have 2 bathrooms) was quite nice.

    The 50 play machine towards the back of the High Roller area (on the right of the cashier) is a ton of fun! I unfortunately didn't find it until after losing a few hundred at one of the machines closer to the front which didn't seem to have the right pay table, but as soon as I hit a Royal on the 50 play, I was back in the green.

    I ended up earning 1000 tier credits twice (on 2 separate days, so I got the 1000 bonus tier credits each time) after playing the 50 play machine with minimum bets for around an hour. Ended up getting 4000 total tier credits (pushing me to Diamond) and I actually made $100. I'll definitely go back as soon as my Diamond expires to do Diamond in a Day.

    Thanks for the tips! Quick questions -- my Total Rewards account says Diamond will expire on January 31st, 2018. Can I assume that it'll actually be 2019 considering I just earned it? Also, does anyone know the hours for the Diamond check-in in Vegas? I recall seeing it was open only on certain days...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tahoediamond View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Lake Tahoe

    Harrah's Lake Tahoe

    9-6 Jacks or Better $1 or $2 per credit, 3/5 play (minimum $15 per hand (99.54% return). Boring, yet efficient. I suggest these machines unless you want to get adventurous with the very slightly "better" machines listed below. If you do 5-play at $1/credit, you can earn 5000 tiers in just 4 hours or so. Even with 3-play, it will only take you about 6 1/2 hours. Make sure the paytables are 9-6, and not 9-5, as some machines in high limit are 9-5 (that is, 5 for the flush instead of 6).
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $230
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $2300


    9-6 Jacks or Better $0.25/$0.50/$1 per credit, 50 play (minimum $62.50 per hand, 99.54% return). If you like multiplay machines, this one is for you. Variance is similar to the 3/5 play game listed above. Despite the seemingly cheap $0.25/credit minimum, this machine racks up tier credits QUICKLY due to the mandatory 50-play. You can knock out 5000 tiers in about 2 hours. Located in high limit area.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $230
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $2300


    9-6 Jacks or Better $5 per credit, 1 play (99.54% return). If you don't like multiplay, there is a simple 1-play $5 machine located at the Highlander Bar on the 18th floor. This is a different atmosphere than the casino, as you'll be playing at an out-of-the-way bar with about 10 machines total (even though there are only 2 of this type), and it will feel more like you're hanging out at a neighborhood bar, rather than playing at a large casino. One advantage of playing up here is that they serve a $5 late-night breakfast until 6am, right at the machine. You can also order a few non-breakfast items, such as chicken strips. The downside is that you may run into distracting and drunk bar people next to you, especially on Friday and Saturday nights.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $230
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $2300

    Harrah's Reno has downgraded its paytables recently. Do not play there. Drive the hour to Tahoe to play these.
    I just got back from a trip to Harrah's Tahoe. I was already well on my way to Diamond (the wrong way -- just from spending money in Vegas), but wanted to try and get the final 4000 tier credits at Harrah's before my next trip to Vegas. My boyfriend was a little apprehensive about the hotel based off the exterior look, but the Executive room (which have 2 bathrooms) was quite nice.

    The 50 play machine towards the back of the High Roller area (on the right of the cashier) is a ton of fun! I unfortunately didn't find it until after losing a few hundred at one of the machines closer to the front which didn't seem to have the right pay table, but as soon as I hit a Royal on the 50 play, I was back in the green.

    I ended up earning 1000 tier credits twice (on 2 separate days, so I got the 1000 bonus tier credits each time) after playing the 50 play machine with minimum bets for around an hour. Ended up getting 4000 total tier credits (pushing me to Diamond) and I actually made $100. I'll definitely go back as soon as my Diamond expires to do Diamond in a Day.

    Thanks for the tips! Quick questions -- my Total Rewards account says Diamond will expire on January 31st, 2018. Can I assume that it'll actually be 2019 considering I just earned it? Also, does anyone know the hours for the Diamond check-in in Vegas? I recall seeing it was open only on certain days...
    Hi.

    Welcome to the site.

    Yes, your Diamond will last until January 31, 2019. It will renew automatically on Feb 1, 2018. You won't need to do anything.

    Your Total Rewards card/account only lists the following year, presumably to encourage people to keep earning. But if you're at 15,000 or more tier credits at any point in 2017, then you will have Diamond until 1/31/19.

    Glad you hit that Royal.

    I ran 150,000 tier credits (50,000 base tiers) during my January trip and didn't hit a single royal, despite doing it primarily on $1 5-play.

    Needless to say, I lost.

    I have a problem hitting royals. I hit 6 in one trip to Harrah's Rincon in 2015. I've hit zero royals in all other sessions combined in my lifetime.

    All rooms in Harrah's Lake Tahoe have 2 bathrooms. I really like that. Bill Harrah was obsessed with that at the time he built it. I've never seen any other property like that.

    Unfortunately, the dining options are pretty lousy there, especially late at night and early in the day. The American River Cafe is decent, but the hours are very short. The steakhouse is way too expensive. And yeah, you can get a cheap breakfast or snack at the Highlander Bar from 11pm-6am. But for the most part, the options are pretty lame and sparse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Unfortunately, the dining options are pretty lousy there, especially late at night and early in the day. The American River Cafe is decent, but the hours are very short. The steakhouse is way too expensive. And yeah, you can get a cheap breakfast or snack at the Highlander Bar from 11pm-6am. But for the most part, the options are pretty lame and sparse.
    According to several bartenders (Tony, Mike) at Harrah's Lake Tahoe, American River Café will revert back to 24 hours starting Memorial Day weekend. The Highlander Bar's late night menu (11PM-6AM), including the popular $4.99 traditional breakfast, will be eliminated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    I ran 150,000 tier credits (50,000 base tiers) during my January trip and didn't hit a single royal, despite doing it primarily on $1 5-play.

    Needless to say, I lost.
    whoa.. $500k coin-in through $1 5play 9/6 JoB w/o a Royal?
    100k hands (aka 20k screens of 5play) is about 2.5 Royal cycles. ouch...

    why did you play this instead of $5 nsud at Cherokee?
    lower variance?
    or you prefer not risk driving an hr on icy roads from the airport to Cherokee?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Northern California, Reno, and Lake Tahoe (updated January 10, 2020)

    Harrah's Lake Tahoe

    9-6 Jacks or Better $0.25/$0.50/$1 per credit, 8-50 play (minimum $10 per hand, 99.54% return). If you like multiplay machines, this one is for you. Variance is similar to the 3/5 play game listed above. Despite the seemingly cheap $0.25/credit minimum, this machine racks up tier credits QUICKLY. Minimum 8-play ($10/hand), maximum 50-play ($62.50 play) . You can knock out 5000 tiers in about 2 hours. You will find four of these machines, all in the high limit room. Two are upright machines against a wall in kind of the center of the room. The other two are "slant tops" machines where you sit lower, and are located near the high limit cashier's area.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $230
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $2300

    9-6 Jacks or Better 3/5/10 play, $1/$2 per credit (99.54% return). These are also multiplay machines, but fewer hands at a time. There are two of these located in the high limit area against the far wall nearest the walkway. There are five machines which look identical, but only two of them (the second and the fourth) have this paytable. Make sure to verify the 9/6 paytable before playing!
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $230
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $2300
    Long time lurker, but I have used this thread to diamond in a day for a awhile; Thanks everyone! Figure I would contribute after my latest trip to Tahoe. I was kind of crunched for time but I spent awhile wandering around trying to find the 9-6 3/5/10 play machines and believe these machines have been moved out of the HL pit and placed in the corner near hotel check-in with worse payouts . The 50 Play machine and 100$ min 9-6 machines still exist but the smaller variance multi play machines appear to be gone.

    Interestingly though, there are now two combo machines facing the walkway near where the 3/5/10 play machines used to be that are pretty good for slightly smaller stakes and much lower variance than the 50-play. Both are single hand versions of the Rio/Planet Hollywood 9-5 JoB Double Super Times Pay 7 coin payout 2$ a token, if playing regular Super times Pay JoB its 5$ tokens 5 per game.

    After doing some quick napkin math, I ended up playing the 9-6 job 50-play machine in spite of the radically higher variance since since at 14$ a pull for double super times pay even playing at a very fast pace would take something like 5 hours to get the 5000 TCs. If I had more time, next time I might do that approach after re-verifying all the math the multiplier for DSTP is just more fun .

     
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    https://www.wyndhamhotels.com/wyndha...s/status-match

    I think Wyndham and Caesars still match each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigerpiper View Post
    https://www.wyndhamhotels.com/wyndha...s/status-match

    I think Wyndham and Caesars still match each other.
    No, this doesn't work unless you "earned" your Wyndham Diamond in some way that wasn't from a status match.

    This means you need to have become Wyndham Diamond by either getting their business credit card or by staying the required number of nights at Wyndham properties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marasma View Post
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    Northern California, Reno, and Lake Tahoe (updated January 10, 2020)

    Harrah's Lake Tahoe

    9-6 Jacks or Better $0.25/$0.50/$1 per credit, 8-50 play (minimum $10 per hand, 99.54% return). If you like multiplay machines, this one is for you. Variance is similar to the 3/5 play game listed above. Despite the seemingly cheap $0.25/credit minimum, this machine racks up tier credits QUICKLY. Minimum 8-play ($10/hand), maximum 50-play ($62.50 play) . You can knock out 5000 tiers in about 2 hours. You will find four of these machines, all in the high limit room. Two are upright machines against a wall in kind of the center of the room. The other two are "slant tops" machines where you sit lower, and are located near the high limit cashier's area.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $230
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $2300

    9-6 Jacks or Better 3/5/10 play, $1/$2 per credit (99.54% return). These are also multiplay machines, but fewer hands at a time. There are two of these located in the high limit area against the far wall nearest the walkway. There are five machines which look identical, but only two of them (the second and the fourth) have this paytable. Make sure to verify the 9/6 paytable before playing!
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $230
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $2300
    Long time lurker, but I have used this thread to diamond in a day for a awhile; Thanks everyone! Figure I would contribute after my latest trip to Tahoe. I was kind of crunched for time but I spent awhile wandering around trying to find the 9-6 3/5/10 play machines and believe these machines have been moved out of the HL pit and placed in the corner near hotel check-in with worse payouts . The 50 Play machine and 100$ min 9-6 machines still exist but the smaller variance multi play machines appear to be gone.

    Interestingly though, there are now two combo machines facing the walkway near where the 3/5/10 play machines used to be that are pretty good for slightly smaller stakes and much lower variance than the 50-play. Both are single hand versions of the Rio/Planet Hollywood 9-5 JoB Double Super Times Pay 7 coin payout 2$ a token, if playing regular Super times Pay JoB its 5$ tokens 5 per game.

    After doing some quick napkin math, I ended up playing the 9-6 job 50-play machine in spite of the radically higher variance since since at 14$ a pull for double super times pay even playing at a very fast pace would take something like 5 hours to get the 5000 TCs. If I had more time, next time I might do that approach after re-verifying all the math the multiplier for DSTP is just more fun .
    Trying to get to Diamond by the end of the year, tonight I played the Harrah’s Tahoe $2 10 Play Jacks OB in the high limit room (9-6). I was dealt a hearts steel wheel for $5000! I’d a taken a pic but my phone was in the car. Dropped a grand back getting my tier credits up, but still a nice night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Las Vegas

    The Las Vegas market has been degraded, and it's been this way for awhile.

    The sad truth is that it's just not very cost-effective to earn your status in Vegas.

    But if that's your only option, here are a few games you can play:


    Planet Hollywood
    Double Super Times Pay 9-5 Jacks or Better: $1/credit, 3/5/10 play machine, 7 credits per hand when max play (this means minimum $21 per hand). 98.95% return. More variance than regular Jacks or Better, but same strategy. You're paying two credits extra for a "multiplier" which comes on every so often, which is actually a net positive for you. Best machine for racking up tier credits quickly, as you can earn 5000 tier credits in about two hours on 10-play mode. Located in High Limit room. Make sure it's Double Super Times Pay, and the 9-5 paytable. These are in the "All Star II" machines. There are also $2 and $5 3/5/10 play variants of this, but that's really introducing a lot of variance.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $525
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $5,250


    Rio
    Double Bonus Poker: $1/credit, 1 play. 99.11% return. This will earn tier credits slowly, and will take about 10 hours of play to earn 2500 tiers. But this is technically the highest returning machine in Vegas that gives you a tier credit per $10 wagered. Note that this is Double Bonus Poker, not Double Double Bonus. These are located between the Buffet and the All American Grille. The paytable is 9 for a full house, 7 for a flush, 5 for a straight, quads at 50/80/160, and 55 for a straight flush. Verify these payouts before playing.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $445
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $4450

    I will be in Vegas later this month and was considering trying Diamond in a Day on VP and would likely go with PH DSTP JOB 9/5. But see on VPFree Caesar's has a 3 play spin poker $1 JOB at 9/5 as well that appears to be $10 coin in per tier credit. Does anyone have any thoughts on playing this machine for DIAD? I would think it would be comparable to 3 play in the DSTP at PH. Since I'm staying at Caesar's it will be a little more convenient to log some hours on that machine. Appreciate any thoughts thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frontlinewinner View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Las Vegas

    The Las Vegas market has been degraded, and it's been this way for awhile.

    The sad truth is that it's just not very cost-effective to earn your status in Vegas.

    But if that's your only option, here are a few games you can play:


    Planet Hollywood
    Double Super Times Pay 9-5 Jacks or Better: $1/credit, 3/5/10 play machine, 7 credits per hand when max play (this means minimum $21 per hand). 98.95% return. More variance than regular Jacks or Better, but same strategy. You're paying two credits extra for a "multiplier" which comes on every so often, which is actually a net positive for you. Best machine for racking up tier credits quickly, as you can earn 5000 tier credits in about two hours on 10-play mode. Located in High Limit room. Make sure it's Double Super Times Pay, and the 9-5 paytable. These are in the "All Star II" machines. There are also $2 and $5 3/5/10 play variants of this, but that's really introducing a lot of variance.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $525
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $5,250


    Rio
    Double Bonus Poker: $1/credit, 1 play. 99.11% return. This will earn tier credits slowly, and will take about 10 hours of play to earn 2500 tiers. But this is technically the highest returning machine in Vegas that gives you a tier credit per $10 wagered. Note that this is Double Bonus Poker, not Double Double Bonus. These are located between the Buffet and the All American Grille. The paytable is 9 for a full house, 7 for a flush, 5 for a straight, quads at 50/80/160, and 55 for a straight flush. Verify these payouts before playing.
    Average loss getting to Diamond: $445
    Average loss getting to Seven Stars: $4450

    I will be in Vegas later this month and was considering trying Diamond in a Day on VP and would likely go with PH DSTP JOB 9/5. But see on VPFree Caesar's has a 3 play spin poker $1 JOB at 9/5 as well that appears to be $10 coin in per tier credit. Does anyone have any thoughts on playing this machine for DIAD? I would think it would be comparable to 3 play in the DSTP at PH. Since I'm staying at Caesar's it will be a little more convenient to log some hours on that machine. Appreciate any thoughts thanks.
    Yes, there is a 3-play Super Times Pay Spin Poker at Caesars, which is 9-5 and supposedly gives one tier per $10.

    The return on that machine is 98.72%, versus 98.95% on the PH machine which is Double Super Times Pay.

    I will say that the variance in Super Times Pay is less, because you're only putting in a sixth credit instead of a sixth AND seventh credit. So that is one nice feature of the machine versus the higher-return PH one.

    Keep in mind, though, that the variance will still be high.

    One problem with Diamond in a Day is that you're not very likely to hit a royal. If you fail to hit one, you need to knock about 2% off your expected return, which means you will lose over $1600 on average in such a situation. Then if you run below expectation with the whole Super Times Pay multiplier, or if you just don't hit your proper share of other payouts, you can easily lose over $2500.

    So keep that in mind.

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    I just returned from Vegas and while playin the slots at Paris and other Caesar's properties I noticed that while playing you aren't awarded bonus tier credits while playing like they did in the past. The total tier credits earned was about 50% less than I have earned in previous years for same amount of play making it less likely I will keep my diamond status. Something has changed. Will be interested to know if Druff experience is the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IamGreek View Post
    I just returned from Vegas and while playin the slots at Paris and other Caesar's properties I noticed that while playing you aren't awarded bonus tier credits while playing like they did in the past. The total tier credits earned was about 50% less than I have earned in previous years for same amount of play making it less likely I will keep my diamond status. Something has changed. Will be interested to know if Druff experience is the same.
    You should have gone to Total Rewards and asked.

    You can still e-mail them through the Contact Us form and ask what your tier credits earned each day were, and what bonus you earned from it.

    Bonus tier credits are the same in 2017 as they have been the past few years.

    It's possible you got screwed in some way.

    This is why I advise people to pull their card every so often, put it back in, and make sure it reports the proper number of tiers earned.

    I once watched a guy at Rincon play 5000 tiers in one sitting, never pull his card to check, and then it registered him as playing zero! I told him to go to Total Rewards. He went there, and they said they were "looking into it". He wasn't happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by frontlinewinner View Post


    I will be in Vegas later this month and was considering trying Diamond in a Day on VP and would likely go with PH DSTP JOB 9/5. But see on VPFree Caesar's has a 3 play spin poker $1 JOB at 9/5 as well that appears to be $10 coin in per tier credit. Does anyone have any thoughts on playing this machine for DIAD? I would think it would be comparable to 3 play in the DSTP at PH. Since I'm staying at Caesar's it will be a little more convenient to log some hours on that machine. Appreciate any thoughts thanks.
    Yes, there is a 3-play Super Times Pay Spin Poker at Caesars, which is 9-5 and supposedly gives one tier per $10.

    The return on that machine is 98.72%, versus 98.95% on the PH machine which is Double Super Times Pay.

    I will say that the variance in Super Times Pay is less, because you're only putting in a sixth credit instead of a sixth AND seventh credit. So that is one nice feature of the machine versus the higher-return PH one.

    Keep in mind, though, that the variance will still be high.

    One problem with Diamond in a Day is that you're not very likely to hit a royal. If you fail to hit one, you need to knock about 2% off your expected return, which means you will lose over $1600 on average in such a situation. Then if you run below expectation with the whole Super Times Pay multiplier, or if you just don't hit your proper share of other payouts, you can easily lose over $2500.

    So keep that in mind.
    Just checked VPFREE2 again. It turns out the Super Times Pay is only 1-play, though it does have a $2/credit option.

    I would suggest just avoiding this machine and running the credits at Planet Hollywood, which is both faster and has a better overall return.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post

    Yes, there is a 3-play Super Times Pay Spin Poker at Caesars, which is 9-5 and supposedly gives one tier per $10.

    The return on that machine is 98.72%, versus 98.95% on the PH machine which is Double Super Times Pay.

    I will say that the variance in Super Times Pay is less, because you're only putting in a sixth credit instead of a sixth AND seventh credit. So that is one nice feature of the machine versus the higher-return PH one.

    Keep in mind, though, that the variance will still be high.

    One problem with Diamond in a Day is that you're not very likely to hit a royal. If you fail to hit one, you need to knock about 2% off your expected return, which means you will lose over $1600 on average in such a situation. Then if you run below expectation with the whole Super Times Pay multiplier, or if you just don't hit your proper share of other payouts, you can easily lose over $2500.

    So keep that in mind.
    Just checked VPFREE2 again. It turns out the Super Times Pay is only 1-play, though it does have a $2/credit option.

    I would suggest just avoiding this machine and running the credits at Planet Hollywood, which is both faster and has a better overall return.

    VPFree2 is incorrect on this one (perhaps due formatting constraints). This machine at Caesars Palace is a $1|$2 denom 9/5 JoB Spin Poker w/Super Times Pay. 9 lines and a max bet of 54 credits (up to $108/spin). You can play as few as 6 credits (1 line, STP feature active). Location is the small high limit room in front of the main cashier, between two All-Star Poker II machines.

    The best game at the Rio is 99.17% Bonus Poker at the $1 denom, single line. This bank of machines awards full Tier Credits ($10 for 1 TC) and is located directly in front of the Sports Bar.

    Information is accurate as of March 31, 2017 (I played on both VP machines to qualify for the "Quest For Rewards" promotion).

    An update for Atlantic City: Bally's Park Place offers single line $5|$10 denom 9/7/5 Double Bonus Poker (99.11%), awarding full Tier Credits, in the high limit room.
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