Originally Posted by El Gallo
Easily in the Top 5 of the worst posts I've ever read anywhere. Wow! I have nothing else of value to add... as you were sir.
You're entitled to your opinion, but I posted about 7 shitposts that were just fucking terrible two days ago, so if THIS post is one of the top 5 worst, IN YOUR OPINION, your opinion is either awful, or your exaggerating.
(Sit this one out, Gallo. You deserve a rest.)So....I am the numbskull, because YOU have the opinion that it needs to be changed....even though lawyers and judges completely disagree with you, and have for decades, Im the numbskull and you are the wise old sage?
And notice how you used the word "seemingly"? Just because YOU think its brutal, doesnt mean its LEGALLY brutal, therefore, your opinion is moot.
If the CPD had any true leadership or legal representative, they would be up in front explaining how the Use Of Force model works, and shut the public's outrage down, but they are under Rahm's control, and cant do anything. The head of FOP is in his pocket.
You fucking idiot!!! Just because something is *currently* LEGAL *doesn't* means the broader public will any longer *accept* it! The police work for the *public*, not the other way around! Get that through your thick fucking skull! Because no amount of "explaining" by police chiefs will turn back the public sentiment clock on this matter!
And if you don't understand how changes in public sentiment cause changes in public policy regarding the legality of the use of force by the authorities, not so long ago on a cultural evolutionary scale, this was a legal form of punishment in the Western societies for certain non-capital offenses.
Seriously... WAKE the fuck UP!
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You need to wake up, Mumbles.
You dont fully understand what happened, and you dont realize what police are allowed to do TO PROTECT THEMSELVES.
Because all you see is a guy headstomping some guy on the street....judges view this differently, and if the cop is allowed to use FORCE to defend himself, You cant change this law!
What are you going to do....change it so it says, Well, they can defend themselves, but they must use their elbows, their pinky fingers, or a 12 pound ham.
You have to leave it ambiguous. Hillariously, you arent at all defending the cop, FROM THE ILLEGAL and DEADLY ACTIONS taken upon him by a DANGEROUS FELON.
blame the cops....ignore the asshole breaking the law.
thats where the state of the nation is, Gallo, in case you were doing some research on that.
Trump 2016
at the risk of going full drk, i didn't think what happened in that video was excessive. the guy was actively resisting arrest and basically wrestling with the officer (who is carrying a gun). not sure what was running through that officer's mind, but if i was in his shoes, i would have been afraid that he would have tried to reach for my gun and shot me. officers have been killed in similar situations, not to mention the fact that there's an angry mob forming.
Honestly, what did the cops do wrong here? He was dealing drugs, the offer told him you're under arrest for breaking the law, the guy then assaulted the police offer and refused to be subdued... the cops did 0 wrong here.
Not all cops are saints, but the good ones vs the bad ones is like 99% vs 1%. Anyone who thinks differently I hope is robbed and pistol whipped heeb style while a group of cops watch.
With all that said, seriously DRK... shut it down.
Honestly, what did the cops do wrong here? He was dealing drugs, the offer told him you're under arrest for breaking the law, the guy then assaulted the police offer and refused to be subdued... the cops did 0 wrong here.
Not all cops are saints, but the good ones vs the bad ones is like 99% vs 1%. Anyone who thinks differently I hope is robbed and pistol whipped heeb style while a group of cops watch.
With all that said, seriously DRK... shut it down.
With all due respect, can you specifically indicate to me what about my responses makes you want me to "shut it down"?
Im serious
I just gave you and the others here, who are interested, a lot of information that most of you would not have known. I explained the details of the case, and when argued with, explained the complications with those arguments.
What am I doing that you disaprove of, and why is it so apparently difficult for you to just avoid reading what I wrote and move on to the next post?
why does the cop deserve jail time and which decisions were horrible?DRK Star: kid was an asshole. Cop deserves jail time. Horrible decisions.
much appreciated.
There you go again! Repeating the same old "It's legal!" argument without countering that I've said that the public doesn't fucking care that it is CURRENTLY legal. And that public sentiment will change the law, defacto or otherwise. Just like it did regarding this activity that was once legal in a large portion of the US for decades.
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depending on the state they were in, I dont know if he the cop, can just open the kids door, and then reach in and grab him like that.
He was very quick to use the taser, and then once the kid was on the ground, he could have stopped it, but he didnt. He kept it going. Was unnecessary. The kid was face down and not a threat and had no weapons. He carried the kid over to the grass, but just dropped him, callously on the ground, right on his face. He technically disobeyed the commands of the officer, but I dont know their rules for entering his car like that. I dont even know what he was pulled over for, so maybe that plays a role? If the kid visibly had a weapon in the car, the officer could have deemed the lengthy taser time necessary until he could determine if the kid had that weapon on him.
He should have called for back up and they could have carried the kid over, if he was going to struggle like that.
He should either be massively suspended, or lose his job. Turns out the kid is now in very serious condition.
thats the best I can say, with what little I know, and not asking cops for more info
For someone who seems actually quite smart, you make a bold -- and unsubstantiated claim. And one that conveniently sidesteps the well-known phenomenon called the "blue wall of silence." Which the required use of cams by police, body or otherwise, has troublingly exposed and challenged in recent years as more widespread that commonly thought.Honestly, what did the cops do wrong here? He was dealing drugs, the offer told him you're under arrest for breaking the law, the guy then assaulted the police offer and refused to be subdued... the cops did 0 wrong here.
Not all cops are saints, but the good ones vs the bad ones is like 99% vs 1%. Anyone who thinks differently I hope is robbed and pistol whipped heeb style while a group of cops watch.
With all that said, seriously DRK... shut it down.
http://m.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2...-silence-video
And here is a disgusting example of what happened to a good cop who challenged that "wall".
And another.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertsamah...all-of-silence
And let's not forget one whose story got made into a major motion picture.
But, go ahead. Keep deluding yourself. You aren't likely to targeted by the bad cops in NYC who get protected by the blue wall of silence. You're in the wrong income group. (You could easily hire a good lawyer who would give them trouble.)
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Handicap me?....
please respond
lol drk, when your IRL friends think you're going off the deep end, i think you need to take a good look at yourself. you're the only person who believes this shit you say. i think you need a break from the Internet, buddy. too many YouTube videos man. you've gone full mong.
To give you guys an idea as to how totally fucked up and ass backward this city is right now...the head of CPD just released the felon from the video. No charges were placed on him.
this is a felon, who was resisting arrest, choking and biting officers, and had 3 bags of heroin on him. The officer, of course, has been stripped of his powers and is on desk duty.
I cant even imagine what is going through the minds of all the officers in this department. If the gangs dont destroy this city, the CPD might beat them to it.
Cherry On Top: The Felon's name is Shaquille O'Neal
Last edited by DRK Star; 06-15-2016 at 09:38 PM.
that makes me sick
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...615-story.html
the comments section of the this article in the Chicago Tribune, sums things up nicely
at least he caught a kick to the head
Most likely the head of the CPD did right by the city, the department and the officers involved by letting the felon out. That is if they are able to dodge a few more law suits as a result. It also speaks volumes about how legal the actions of the officer were. It would have been nice if the head of the CPD had wasted time to go see the officers boo boo instead of making some efforts for the city to save money and secure some kinda future for the officers involved in the incident but sometimes the feelings of officers that are accused of police brutality just aren't a huge priority.
There's really nothing wrong with most use of force models and in this case unless Chicago uses some extra retarded model it's not an issue of the model but it's application. You see kicking alone can qualify as use of deadly force and in this case with a stomp in the head when the felon is already on the ground with a hard surface behind the back of his head it actually is seen as using deadly force. For it to be correct all other lesser alternatives should have been reasonably considered and exhausted prior the use of deadly force. When i can come up with about 27 things i could do between asking nicely and using deadly force then there might be a problem.
Reasonable elucidation regarding use of force standards in second paragraph. However, I take umbrage with a point you raise in the first paragraph, as visually explained here.
Law suits:
Lawsuits:
But other than that matter, well said!
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