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    Are you for or against free speech?

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    I actually hope this [second impeachment] succeeds, because I want Trump put down politically like a sick, 14-year-old dog. ... I don't want him complicating the 2024 primary season. I just want him done.
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    Were Republicans cowardly or unethical not to go along with [convicting Trump in the second impeachment Senate trial]? No. The smart move was to reject it.

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    Amendment I

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


    I believe in the first amendment...which says Congress shall not abridge freedom of speech...but that is not the same as someone being able to say anything they want anywhere at anytime

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrenadaRoger View Post
    Amendment I

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


    I believe in the first amendment...which says Congress shall not abridge freedom of speech...but that is not the same as someone being able to say anything they want anywhere at anytime
    Perhaps you need to remember that constitutional law in the US is determined by the *court precedent* per case law, *not* simply by referring to the original text. Because the SCOTUS rulings on 1st Amendment rights extend to also limiting the ability of state and local government to ban speech.
    http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/...estions-speech

    And that is also why *local* governments can't ban those annoying sign spinners on sidewalks even if it has ordinances restricting billboards and business signage. Because case precedent has determined it to be a protected form of speech.
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    I actually hope this [second impeachment] succeeds, because I want Trump put down politically like a sick, 14-year-old dog. ... I don't want him complicating the 2024 primary season. I just want him done.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Were Republicans cowardly or unethical not to go along with [convicting Trump in the second impeachment Senate trial]? No. The smart move was to reject it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MumblesBadly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by GrenadaRoger View Post
    Amendment I

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


    I believe in the first amendment...which says Congress shall not abridge freedom of speech...but that is not the same as someone being able to say anything they want anywhere at anytime
    Perhaps you need to remember that constitutional law in the US is determined by the *court precedent* per case law, *not* simply by referring to the original text. Because the SCOTUS rulings on 1st Amendment rights extend to also limiting the ability of state and local government to ban speech.
    http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/...estions-speech

    And that is also why *local* governments can't ban those annoying sign spinners on sidewalks even if it has ordinances restricting billboards and business signage. Because case precedent has determined it to be a protected form of speech.
    mumbles, first you need to remember what you asked..."Do you support free speech?" i'd like you to please define what you mean by free speech...i gave you a hint by quoting the first amendment, which limits the ability of Congress to curtail free speech

    i will engage you no more on this topic
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    Quote Originally Posted by MumblesBadly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by GrenadaRoger View Post
    Amendment I

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


    I believe in the first amendment...which says Congress shall not abridge freedom of speech...but that is not the same as someone being able to say anything they want anywhere at anytime
    Perhaps you need to remember that constitutional law in the US is determined by the *court precedent* per case law, *not* simply by referring to the original text. Because the SCOTUS rulings on 1st Amendment rights extend to also limiting the ability of state and local government to ban speech.
    http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/...estions-speech

    And that is also why *local* governments can't ban those annoying sign spinners on sidewalks even if it has ordinances restricting billboards and business signage. Because case precedent has determined it to be a protected form of speech.
    Free speech is important. However I would like to propose another factor to take into consideration when putting this argument forward, and this would be the not wholly inappropriate or discourteous request for you to shut the fuck up.

     
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