Originally Posted by
SysOp
LOL @ druff thinking he knows anything about unions or how people in them feel about their union. druff go fuck yourself and grind poker(which I'm sure you hate just as much as your programming job) and talk about things you know about like, who's tweeting about someone else and social justice whatever I'm done.
Shits complicated. Reading Union generalizations is painful and just plain simple.
I had to do a stint project managing electrical installation of some low voltage controls in high rises in Boston.
Boston is a union town. Period.
Different electrical contractors will bid the electrical installation for a building. They all use IBEW local 103 workers from the hall.
Once they pick up a guy from the hall they realize fairly quickly whether the guy has game and is someone they want to keep.
Understand that once a job is completed the electrical workers can get turned loose. They don't get paid if they don't work. If there are no construction projects they are fucked.
Now an electrical contractor will do everything in their power to get another project lined up and continue carrying the good foremen and crew. Turn the shitbags loose.
Local 103 quality was several orders of magnitude better than non Union shops that worked the suburbs. You spec a piece of work to be installed and they would do it right and to code. They didn't give a fuck if you or their shop priced it wrong. They would not cut corners. You would not rush them. They cared about their reputation and if you fucked with them on these issues the union would stomp you.
The good skilled guys wanted to continue working project to project uninterrupted.
Their apprentice training and classroom was Harvard compared to the scumbag non Union outfits.
Go to a non Union job and you would see workers throwing wire nuts down the hallway rather than walk it. Shitty tools and pressure from the owner always meant corners cut and hack work. They sucked and were a project managers nightmare.
Such generalizations about unions are just plain naive. Some are good and maybe some suck. Maybe there are other issues at play where no worker Union or otherwise could succeed.
The checks and balances that unions provide in a healthy economy is valuable and often in the consumers interest.