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  1. #481
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    I was being sarcastic

    @blake, I didn't see the first 3 that way, I didn't see the usual retreat from Jones the way most do as he chops away at them, I saw a Reyes that countered and slipped counter punched and kept Jones at bay.

    Admittedly as he tired 4-5 he backed up more so but I dunno.

    The talk of heavyweight for Jones after this fight is laughable imo. Imagine if Reyes had KO power at all this fight would have ended rd1-3.
    jones would do well at heavyweight standing. heavyweights just arent as fast as reyes, at least since cain fell under the usada bus. but i do think he gets ragdolled in the clinch there and likely doesnt make it back to his stool if he gets put on his back.
    You think Jones has enough power standing to go toe to toe with a real heavyweight?

    I think he would actually do well getting off the ground vs a real heavyweight who is slower but again that's back to stand up and unless he fight one with a weak chin, again I cant see him winning.

    Submissions maybe?

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    jones would do well at heavyweight standing. heavyweights just arent as fast as reyes, at least since cain fell under the usada bus. but i do think he gets ragdolled in the clinch there and likely doesnt make it back to his stool if he gets put on his back.
    You think Jones has enough power standing to go toe to toe with a real heavyweight?

    I think he would actually do well getting off the ground vs a real heavyweight who is slower but again that's back to stand up and unless he fight one with a weak chin, again I cant see him winning.

    Submissions maybe?

    dude those standing elbows would give anyone problems. you think derek lewis is getting out of the way of that? jones is going to make him look like he's fighting underwater.

    mt dudes like stipec are going to be less available but there are so many soft fights for him at hw.
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  3. #483
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    You think Jones has enough power standing to go toe to toe with a real heavyweight?
    He wouldn't need to. He's faster, longer, quicker, and has better cardio than almost all of them. His pace will destroy most of them, and he'll certainly take the judges cards easily enough. Elbows, knees, his knee-destroying kicks, the leg kicks in general...

    Jones ain't a power guy. Since he beat Chael in that squash match like 6-7 years ago, he has only 1 stoppage, and that was the 2nd Gustafsson fight, 2 if you count the NC where he stopped Cormier, and that was from a head kick that turned DC's brain to mush, and the fight ended soon after. He won 7 decisions in that time. Because he's a really smart fighter in a great camp who can adjust to anything, he's way more likely to finish someone the 2nd time he fights them than the first.

    Jones doesn't go toe to toe with anyone power-wise, because he never has to.
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    You think Jones has enough power standing to go toe to toe with a real heavyweight?
    He wouldn't need to. He's faster, longer, quicker, and has better cardio than almost all of them. His pace will destroy most of them, and he'll certainly take the judges cards easily enough. Elbows, knees, his knee-destroying kicks, the leg kicks in general...

    Jones ain't a power guy. Since he beat Chael in that squash match like 6-7 years ago, he has only 1 stoppage, and that was the 2nd Gustafsson fight, 2 if you count the NC where he stopped Cormier, and that was from a head kick that turned DC's brain to mush, and the fight ended soon after. He won 7 decisions in that time. Because he's a really smart fighter in a great camp who can adjust to anything, he's way more likely to finish someone the 2nd time he fights them than the first.

    Jones doesn't go toe to toe with anyone power-wise, because he never has to.
    I agree that is why I posed the Q to sonatine.

    My thing is he has no chance of surviving a real punch from a real heavyweight. He can chop away all he wants but if they connect its game over. Basically he would have to take on the smaller faster hit and run approach which is not what I want to see at heavyweight tbh. I wanna see to giants smash each other lol Its why we watch heavyweight anything.

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    he'd take Ls at hw but i expect not enough to keep him from owning the strap 3 or 4 times. least of all with this pool.
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    My thing is he has no chance of surviving a real punch from a real heavyweight.
    DC couldn't do it. He's as real as it gets. Underestimating Bones' chin is a really bad idea.
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    My thing is he has no chance of surviving a real punch from a real heavyweight.
    DC couldn't do it. He's as real as it gets. Underestimating Bones' chin is a really bad idea.
    Good point, I got nothin now. damn it

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    complicating matters, i feel like jones takes much fewer chances since gus pieced him up in that first fight. kids got great coaches and he listens to them, thats a fact.

     
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    Can someone explain to me how Joanna is +115 vs Weili Zhang?

    Who has she beaten besides Andrade last fight? Is the Coronavirus something that's on her mind? Shes 8 hrs from Wuhan but her camp is in Beijing I believe.

    Either I'm a fish but I have to think Joanna is good here, but the Romero and Adesanya fight is going to be better. I think Israel is too fast for Yoel and might keep him at bay from doing much damage.
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    UFC247...…..Bones vs Reyes...………………...Let's Roll with ValentinaShevchenko over Katlyn Chookagian…..gl
    Valentina Shevchenko (c) def. Katlyn Chookagian TKO (elbows and punches)

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    Can someone explain to me how Joanna is +115 vs Weili Zhang?

    Who has she beaten besides Andrade last fight? Is the Coronavirus something that's on her mind? Shes 8 hrs from Wuhan but her camp is in Beijing I believe.

    Either I'm a fish but I have to think Joanna is good here, but the Romero and Adesanya fight is going to be better. I think Israel is too fast for Yoel and might keep him at bay from doing much damage.
    Joanna got outpointed by Rose 2x. I like the champ here who will prob fail a USADA test at some point.

    Khabib less than -200 feels like stealing against a guy that can't wait to be flat on his back anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidewinder View Post
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    Can someone explain to me how Joanna is +115 vs Weili Zhang?

    Who has she beaten besides Andrade last fight? Is the Coronavirus something that's on her mind? Shes 8 hrs from Wuhan but her camp is in Beijing I believe.

    Either I'm a fish but I have to think Joanna is good here, but the Romero and Adesanya fight is going to be better. I think Israel is too fast for Yoel and might keep him at bay from doing much damage.
    Joanna got outpointed by Rose 2x. I like the champ here who will prob fail a USADA test at some point.

    Khabib less than -200 feels like stealing against a guy that can't wait to be flat on his back anyway.
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    They fought twice, one ko, one decision.
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