DNC Debate tonight

[sonatine]

A lot of people are just kinda blowing this off but it might turn into a royal shit show.

The DNC is quite obviously doing everything it can to keep people distracted/disengaged until they can quietly focus on pitting Hills against Trump, which would effectively guarantee victory and quite probably forever define the Republican party as a fringe joke. EG:

- Scheduling the first debate on like the biggest shopping day in the country pretty much.

- Trying to straight up shutter Sander's campaign based on one (1) staffer wandering into a bunch of Clinton voting data on a website that was so broken that it allowed them to simply mouse click their way in.

There is a real possibility tonight that Sanders takes the gloves off and basically brutalizes Clinton so badly that despite the DNC effectively rigging him out of contention, he makes it impossible for the moderates to vote for her in numbers adequate to neutralize the Republican base tea-tard clown show.

Obviously watching the free UFC tonight instead of this faggot parade but I do plan on taping it and fast forwarding to the parts where the blood drains out of Hillary's face because ~draamaaaaaaaaaaaa~.

[lol wow]

this was literally the fattest post ive ever read

[ThisGuyisWhat]

Why did they schedule it for another Saturday night? It's almost as if they don't want the American people exposed to Hillary Clinton. I wonder why... I am trying to think of a good reason, but can't.

I wonder how they will address the allegations against Bernie Sanders. In the first Democratic debate when they asked Bernie about the Clinton email scandal he down played it and said everybody should just move on.

Personally, I would love them to address this head on and for Sanders and Clinton to both comment on it.

It is not fair that the Republican debates are confrontational and the moderators ask questions that set up the candidates to clash. I have yet to see that in a Democratic debate and would really appreciate if I saw it tonight. I will not be watching though, but I will probably go back and watch on YouTube sometime this week.

[sonatine]

Honestly I cant imagine how this is going to shake out. Youre totally right; the Republican debates were absolutely engineered to promote a confrontational discourse. How do you provoke Clinton into ripping on Sanders over the (totally manufactured) drama about accessing her voting records after Sanders white knighted her already over the email flack?

Really intrigued. The biggest complaint about Clinton is that shes a political predator with absolutely no character. Taking the bait and going after Sanders will pretty much weld her to that image.

[tgull]

Why are you so convinced Trump will not win? The conservative base did not show up for McCain or Romney and they only lost by a couple points. No minority is ever going to vote Republican, so pandering to them is a giant loser. The only chance Republicans have will be Trump, maybe Cruz. If they do not energize the blue collar worker they have no chance.

The reason Reagan crushed in the 80s was only because he energized the car worker, who generally flipped from Democrat to Republican. You can see the Trump strategy here.

[sonatine]

Trump's extremism. Its like he has Tourettes. There are only so many people who are willing to vote their amusement, regardless if they agree or not.

[sonatine]

I was alive for Reagan although I dont remember his campaign, but I dont recall him ever being as grotesque as Trump on his absolute worst, most bellicose day. Invoking Reagan's name as a justification for Trump's validity as a contender is pure PR.

[sonatine]

Lastly Reagan had a lot of political experience and connections to cash in on.

Name a single Republican whose going to stand tall and say "Trump is the future of our party, vote Trump." It would be political suicide.

[ToasterOven]

Why are you so convinced Trump will not win? The conservative base did not show up for McCain or Romney and they only lost by a couple points. No minority is ever going to vote Republican, so pandering to them is a giant loser. The only chance Republicans have will be Trump, maybe Cruz. If they do not energize the blue collar worker they have no chance.

The reason Reagan crushed in the 80s was only because he energized the car worker, who generally flipped from Democrat to Republican. You can see the Trump strategy here.

The "conservative base didn't show up" is a total myth. Read intelligent pollsters on this nonsense. That myth is pushed by right wingers with an agenda.

Cruz and Trump will do the worst of any Republican, but if you were smart enough to find information you'd be too smart to vote for Trump. So there's the rub.

[sonatine]

Seriously show me a conservative whose like "Romney? Nah.. But Trump is really speaking my language!"

[Daly]

Obviously watching the free UFC tonight instead of this faggot parade......

[tgull]

Trump has definitely tapped into the right wing spirit, and the Independent vote. The Republican establishment has failed since 1992. Now, you can say what about GW Bush? Well, he won by a sliver in 2004 and really lost by a sliver in 2000. McCain and Romney were soundly beaten.

My point is, the only way a Republican is ever going to win is to energize the Right Wing. And this is probably the last election a Republican will be considered in the next 40 years. The system is set up for takers, people that want something for nothing.

Trump, or Cruz is probably the last legitimate Republican to ever possibly win. We'll be a one nation party in a few years. I will have plenty of money, so I don't give a shit, but I'd hate to be a 22 year old mechanic at the moment, he will have a hard time surviving in this new USA.

[Tellafriend]

Trump has definitely tapped into the right wing spirit, and the Independent vote. The Republican establishment has failed since 1992. Now, you can say what about GW Bush? Well, he won by a sliver in 2004 and really lost by a sliver in 2000. McCain and Romney were soundly beaten.

My point is, the only way a Republican is ever going to win is to energize the Right Wing. And this is probably the last election a Republican will be considered in the next 40 years. The system is set up for takers, people that want something for nothing.

Trump, or Cruz is probably the last legitimate Republican to ever possibly win. We'll be a one nation party in a few years. I will have plenty of money, so I don't give a shit, but I'd hate to be a 22 year old mechanic at the moment, he will have a hard time surviving in this new USA.

100% accurate. Demographics dictate our declining future. Lots more takers than workers. This isn't your father's Country anymore.

[shortbuspoker]

Fuck the democratic debate. Cowboy is fighting for free on Fox tonight.

[vegas1369]

If you are comparing any meaningful aspect of the Trump or Cruz campaigns to anything to do with the campaign and presidential run of Reagan, you are a clueless fucking idiot, clear and simple.

[ToasterOven]

Seriously show me a conservative whose like "Romney? Nah.. But Trump is really speaking my language!"

Fox, talk radio and right wing internet has successfully blurred what is "conservative" in the age of Obama. You could do well as a hack Republican politician by being against anything Obama was for. It served to elevate idiots without knowledge of their own ideology to positions of power and influence. These are the people that support Trump as a "real conservative", even though none of Trump's policy ideas are actually conservative at all.

[vegas1369]

To add to that, to vote for any of these GOP "candidates" leading in the polls, you are basically voting for a level of fascism not seen in this country for over 60 years. I don't support the far left or the socialist movement either, both sides leave me equally disgusted, but at least the far left aren't bigoted, evangelical wingnuts who literally lie through their teeth constantly knowing their voting base is too fucking stupid and blinded by their ideology that they won't take one second to fact check. These fucks want to bring us back to the 50's.

It's truly a shame there isn't a middle of the road candidate that we can at least have some sort of faith in. Hillary IMO represents the closest thing to that, but she is so tied up in special interests that she basically represents the lesser of all evils. Shitty thing to have to vote for, but again, at least she isn't insane like literally EVERY single candidate in the GOP.

[sonatine]

Conservativism, Trump style....

Trump Voter: Hey I voted for you and now the dollar is cratering and you raided social security to pay for a war in some sandy African shithole where my children got suicide bombed and I cant pay for my chemo since you repealed Obamacare.

Trump: Gotta break some eggs...

[ToasterOven]

To add to that, to vote for any of these GOP "candidates" leading in the polls, you are basically voting for a level of fascism not seen in this country for over 60 years. I don't support the far left or the socialist movement either, both sides leave me equally disgusted, but at least the far left aren't bigoted, evangelical wingnuts who literally lie through their teeth constantly knowing their voting base is too fucking stupid and blinded by their ideology that they won't take one second to fact check. These fucks want to bring us back to the 50's.

It's truly a shame there isn't a middle of the road candidate that we can at least have some sort of faith in. Hillary IMO represents the closest thing to that, but she is so tied up in special interests that she basically represents the lesser of all evils. Shitty thing to have to vote for, but again, at least she isn't insane like literally EVERY single candidate in the GOP.

Rubio is a great example....

What is the greatest threat facing America? Rubio, "The debt". What are your two signature policy initiatives? Rubio,"Increasing military spending and a 10 trillion dollar tax cut". Fucking nonsense.

[Dan Druff]

To add to that, to vote for any of these GOP "candidates" leading in the polls, you are basically voting for a level of fascism not seen in this country for over 60 years. I don't support the far left or the socialist movement either, both sides leave me equally disgusted, but at least the far left aren't bigoted, evangelical wingnuts who literally lie through their teeth constantly knowing their voting base is too fucking stupid and blinded by their ideology that they won't take one second to fact check. These fucks want to bring us back to the 50's.

It's truly a shame there isn't a middle of the road candidate that we can at least have some sort of faith in. Hillary IMO represents the closest thing to that, but she is so tied up in special interests that she basically represents the lesser of all evils. Shitty thing to have to vote for, but again, at least she isn't insane like literally EVERY single candidate in the GOP.

Hillary is an extremely shady person (even by political standards) who will bring a lot more problems to the Presidency than just special interests.

Regarding fascism... I guess you haven't seen the left's recent assault on free speech and free expression, being done in the name of "preventing hate speech".

Also, do you think the recent rise in crime (after a 23-year decline EVERY SINGLE YEAR from 1991-2013) might connected to the recent vilification of police by the left? Many theories are being thrown about to explain the abrupt rise in violent crime, but this is the best one. You can't even blame the economy or the plight of the poor, as that situation has existed in worse form several times since 1991, and yet crime kept declining steadily. I am all for exposing and stamping out police brutality, but it seems as if the police as a whole are being vilified for a few bad apples (out of hundreds of thousands of police officers nationwide), and the "victims" being glorified tend to be career criminals or other thugs who were causing their own problems.

The left can't even bring themselves to say "Islamic terrorism" or "radical Islam" without panicking about inciting "Islamophobia".

We are among a new age of casting the villain into the victim. We are now at the point where we dance around the truth if speaking about it will offend a certain group.

I know you said you aren't a leftist (and I believe that), but if you think Republicans represent fascism, you need to take another look. Fascist governments have very often come from the left.