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    The Secret Meeting that changed Rap Music and destroyed a generation

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    "The Secret Meeting that Changed Rap Music and Destroyed a Generation"
    Posted by Ivan at 1:34 PM
    This anonymous letter landed in my inbox about a minute ago:

    Hello,

    After more than 20 years, I've finally decided to tell the world what I witnessed in 1991, which I believe was one of the biggest turning point in popular music, and ultimately American society. I have struggled for a long time weighing the pros and cons of making this story public as I was reluctant to implicate the individuals who were present that day. So I've simply decided to leave out names and all the details that may risk my personal well being and that of those who were, like me, dragged into something they weren't ready for.

    Between the late 80's and early 90’s, I was what you may call a “decision maker” with one of the more established company in the music industry. I came from Europe in the early 80’s and quickly established myself in the business. The industry was different back then. Since technology and media weren’t accessible to people like they are today, the industry had more control over the public and had the means to influence them anyway it wanted. This may explain why in early 1991, I was invited to attend a closed door meeting with a small group of music business insiders to discuss rap music’s new direction. Little did I know that we would be asked to participate in one of the most unethical and destructive business practice I’ve ever seen.

    The meeting was held at a private residence on the outskirts of Los Angeles. I remember about 25 to 30 people being there, most of them familiar faces. Speaking to those I knew, we joked about the theme of the meeting as many of us did not care for rap music and failed to see the purpose of being invited to a private gathering to discuss its future. Among the attendees was a small group of unfamiliar faces who stayed to themselves and made no attempt to socialize beyond their circle. Based on their behavior and formal appearances, they didn't seem to be in our industry. Our casual chatter was interrupted when we were asked to sign a confidentiality agreement preventing us from publicly discussing the information presented during the meeting. Needless to say, this intrigued and in some cases disturbed many of us. The agreement was only a page long but very clear on the matter and consequences which stated that violating the terms would result in job termination. We asked several people what this meeting was about and the reason for such secrecy but couldn't find anyone who had answers for us. A few people refused to sign and walked out. No one stopped them. I was tempted to follow but curiosity got the best of me. A man who was part of the “unfamiliar” group collected the agreements from us.

    Quickly after the meeting began, one of my industry colleagues (who shall remain nameless like everyone else) thanked us for attending. He then gave the floor to a man who only introduced himself by first name and gave no further details about his personal background. I think he was the owner of the residence but it was never confirmed. He briefly praised all of us for the success we had achieved in our industry and congratulated us for being selected as part of this small group of “decision makers”. At this point I begin to feel slightly uncomfortable at the strangeness of this gathering. The subject quickly changed as the speaker went on to tell us that the respective companies we represented had invested in a very profitable industry which could become even more rewarding with our active involvement. He explained that the companies we work for had invested millions into the building of privately owned prisons and that our positions of influence in the music industry would actually impact the profitability of these investments. I remember many of us in the group immediately looking at each other in confusion. At the time, I didn’t know what a private prison was but I wasn't the only one. Sure enough, someone asked what these prisons were and what any of this had to do with us. We were told that these prisons were built by privately owned companies who received funding from the government based on the number of inmates. The more inmates, the more money the government would pay these prisons. It was also made clear to us that since these prisons are privately owned, as they become publicly traded, we’d be able to buy shares. Most of us were taken back by this. Again, a couple of people asked what this had to do with us. At this point, my industry colleague who had first opened the meeting took the floor again and answered our questions. He told us that since our employers had become silent investors in this prison business, it was now in their interest to make sure that these prisons remained filled. Our job would be to help make this happen by marketing music which promotes criminal behavior, rap being the music of choice. He assured us that this would be a great situation for us because rap music was becoming an increasingly profitable market for our companies, and as employee, we’d also be able to buy personal stocks in these prisons. Immediately, silence came over the room. You could have heard a pin drop. I remember looking around to make sure I wasn't dreaming and saw half of the people with dropped jaws. My daze was interrupted when someone shouted, “Is this a f****** joke?” At this point things became chaotic. Two of the men who were part of the “unfamiliar” group grabbed the man who shouted out and attempted to remove him from the house. A few of us, myself included, tried to intervene. One of them pulled out a gun and we all backed off. They separated us from the crowd and all four of us were escorted outside. My industry colleague who had opened the meeting earlier hurried out to meet us and reminded us that we had signed agreement and would suffer the consequences of speaking about this publicly or even with those who attended the meeting. I asked him why he was involved with something this corrupt and he replied that it was bigger than the music business and nothing we’d want to challenge without risking consequences. We all protested and as he walked back into the house I remember word for word the last thing he said, “It’s out of my hands now. Remember you signed an agreement.” He then closed the door behind him. The men rushed us to our cars and actually watched until we drove off.

    A million things were going through my mind as I drove away and I eventually decided to pull over and park on a side street in order to collect my thoughts. I replayed everything in my mind repeatedly and it all seemed very surreal to me. I was angry with myself for not having taken a more active role in questioning what had been presented to us. I'd like to believe the shock of it all is what suspended my better nature. After what seemed like an eternity, I was able to calm myself enough to make it home. I didn't talk or call anyone that night. The next day back at the office, I was visibly out of it but blamed it on being under the weather. No one else in my department had been invited to the meeting and I felt a sense of guilt for not being able to share what I had witnessed. I thought about contacting the 3 others who wear kicked out of the house but I didn't remember their names and thought that tracking them down would probably bring unwanted attention. I considered speaking out publicly at the risk of losing my job but I realized I’d probably be jeopardizing more than my job and I wasn't willing to risk anything happening to my family. I thought about those men with guns and wondered who they were? I had been told that this was bigger than the music business and all I could do was let my imagination run free. There were no answers and no one to talk to. I tried to do a little bit of research on private prisons but didn’t uncover anything about the music business’ involvement. However, the information I did find confirmed how dangerous this prison business really was. Days turned into weeks and weeks into months. Eventually, it was as if the meeting had never taken place. It all seemed surreal. I became more reclusive and stopped going to any industry events unless professionally obligated to do so. On two occasions, I found myself attending the same function as my former colleague. Both times, our eyes met but nothing more was exchanged.

    As the months passed, rap music had definitely changed direction. I was never a fan of it but even I could tell the difference. Rap acts that talked about politics or harmless fun were quickly fading away as gangster rap started dominating the airwaves. Only a few months had passed since the meeting but I suspect that the ideas presented that day had been successfully implemented. It was as if the order has been given to all major label executives. The music was climbing the charts and most companies when more than happy to capitalize on it. Each one was churning out their very own gangster rap acts on an assembly line. Everyone bought into it, consumers included. Violence and drug use became a central theme in most rap music. I spoke to a few of my peers in the industry to get their opinions on the new trend but was told repeatedly that it was all about supply and demand. Sadly many of them even expressed that the music reinforced their prejudice of minorities.

    I officially quit the music business in 1993 but my heart had already left months before. I broke ties with the majority of my peers and removed myself from this thing I had once loved. I took some time off, returned to Europe for a few years, settled out of state, and lived a “quiet” life away from the world of entertainment. As the years passed, I managed to keep my secret, fearful of sharing it with the wrong person but also a little ashamed of not having had the balls to blow the whistle. But as rap got worse, my guilt grew. Fortunately, in the late 90’s, having the internet as a resource which wasn't at my disposal in the early days made it easier for me to investigate what is now labeled the prison industrial complex. Now that I have a greater understanding of how private prisons operate, things make much more sense than they ever have. I see how the criminalization of rap music played a big part in promoting racial stereotypes and misguided so many impressionable young minds into adopting these glorified criminal behaviors which often lead to incarceration. Twenty years of guilt is a heavy load to carry but the least I can do now is to share my story, hoping that fans of rap music realize how they’ve been used for the past 2 decades. Although I plan on remaining anonymous for obvious reasons, my goal now is to get this information out to as many people as possible. Please help me spread the word. Hopefully, others who attended the meeting back in 1991 will be inspired by this and tell their own stories. Most importantly, if only one life has been touched by my story, I pray it makes the weight of my guilt a little more tolerable.

    Thank you.

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    Seems likely that it could be true. I'm sure I've heard of privately run prisons before but truly know nothing about them. Gonna do some further reading on the subject.
    Very good read tho

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    Is this being posted as a creative writing exercise or what? If the author knew anything about hip hop, they would have said the meeting was in 1987. Rap became popular in spite of the music industry, which didn't really embrace it until the mid 90s. And it has been steadily watered down into unlistenable pop ever since.

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    If it wasn't for this meeting, mostly rappers would have been talking about their love for their mamas and their respect for the community.

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    Story is pretty laughable. Obviously a lot of white guys like Jimmy Iovine got rich because of his Death Row/Interscope deal, but the music changed because of the crack epidemic, and the artists coming of age to describe living in a post-crack environment. The white guys got on board because, relatively speaking, it was much cheaper music to bring to market than the traditional emerging band model. The ghetto pre-crack, and post-crack, were very different beasts, and the music simply evolved with it.

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    "The Secret Meeting that Changed Rap Music and Destroyed a Generation"
    Posted by Ivan at 1:34 PM
    This anonymous letter landed in my inbox about a minute ago:

    Hello,

    After more than 20 years, I've finally decided to tell the world what I witnessed in 1991, which I believe was one of the biggest turning point in popular music, and ultimately American society. I have struggled for a long time weighing the pros and cons of making this story public as I was reluctant to implicate the individuals who were present that day. So I've simply decided to leave out names and all the details that may risk my personal well being and that of those who were, like me, dragged into something they weren't ready for.

    Between the late 80's and early 90’s, I was what you may call a “decision maker” with one of the more established company in the music industry. I came from Europe in the early 80’s and quickly established myself in the business. The industry was different back then. Since technology and media weren’t accessible to people like they are today, the industry had more control over the public and had the means to influence them anyway it wanted. This may explain why in early 1991, I was invited to attend a closed door meeting with a small group of music business insiders to discuss rap music’s new direction. Little did I know that we would be asked to participate in one of the most unethical and destructive business practice I’ve ever seen.

    The meeting was held at a private residence on the outskirts of Los Angeles. I remember about 25 to 30 people being there, most of them familiar faces. Speaking to those I knew, we joked about the theme of the meeting as many of us did not care for rap music and failed to see the purpose of being invited to a private gathering to discuss its future. Among the attendees was a small group of unfamiliar faces who stayed to themselves and made no attempt to socialize beyond their circle. Based on their behavior and formal appearances, they didn't seem to be in our industry. Our casual chatter was interrupted when we were asked to sign a confidentiality agreement preventing us from publicly discussing the information presented during the meeting. Needless to say, this intrigued and in some cases disturbed many of us. The agreement was only a page long but very clear on the matter and consequences which stated that violating the terms would result in job termination. We asked several people what this meeting was about and the reason for such secrecy but couldn't find anyone who had answers for us. A few people refused to sign and walked out. No one stopped them. I was tempted to follow but curiosity got the best of me. A man who was part of the “unfamiliar” group collected the agreements from us.

    Quickly after the meeting began, one of my industry colleagues (who shall remain nameless like everyone else) thanked us for attending. He then gave the floor to a man who only introduced himself by first name and gave no further details about his personal background. I think he was the owner of the residence but it was never confirmed. He briefly praised all of us for the success we had achieved in our industry and congratulated us for being selected as part of this small group of “decision makers”. At this point I begin to feel slightly uncomfortable at the strangeness of this gathering. The subject quickly changed as the speaker went on to tell us that the respective companies we represented had invested in a very profitable industry which could become even more rewarding with our active involvement. He explained that the companies we work for had invested millions into the building of privately owned prisons and that our positions of influence in the music industry would actually impact the profitability of these investments. I remember many of us in the group immediately looking at each other in confusion. At the time, I didn’t know what a private prison was but I wasn't the only one. Sure enough, someone asked what these prisons were and what any of this had to do with us. We were told that these prisons were built by privately owned companies who received funding from the government based on the number of inmates. The more inmates, the more money the government would pay these prisons. It was also made clear to us that since these prisons are privately owned, as they become publicly traded, we’d be able to buy shares. Most of us were taken back by this. Again, a couple of people asked what this had to do with us. At this point, my industry colleague who had first opened the meeting took the floor again and answered our questions. He told us that since our employers had become silent investors in this prison business, it was now in their interest to make sure that these prisons remained filled. Our job would be to help make this happen by marketing music which promotes criminal behavior, rap being the music of choice. He assured us that this would be a great situation for us because rap music was becoming an increasingly profitable market for our companies, and as employee, we’d also be able to buy personal stocks in these prisons. Immediately, silence came over the room. You could have heard a pin drop. I remember looking around to make sure I wasn't dreaming and saw half of the people with dropped jaws. My daze was interrupted when someone shouted, “Is this a f****** joke?” At this point things became chaotic. Two of the men who were part of the “unfamiliar” group grabbed the man who shouted out and attempted to remove him from the house. A few of us, myself included, tried to intervene. One of them pulled out a gun and we all backed off. They separated us from the crowd and all four of us were escorted outside. My industry colleague who had opened the meeting earlier hurried out to meet us and reminded us that we had signed agreement and would suffer the consequences of speaking about this publicly or even with those who attended the meeting. I asked him why he was involved with something this corrupt and he replied that it was bigger than the music business and nothing we’d want to challenge without risking consequences. We all protested and as he walked back into the house I remember word for word the last thing he said, “It’s out of my hands now. Remember you signed an agreement.” He then closed the door behind him. The men rushed us to our cars and actually watched until we drove off.

    A million things were going through my mind as I drove away and I eventually decided to pull over and park on a side street in order to collect my thoughts. I replayed everything in my mind repeatedly and it all seemed very surreal to me. I was angry with myself for not having taken a more active role in questioning what had been presented to us. I'd like to believe the shock of it all is what suspended my better nature. After what seemed like an eternity, I was able to calm myself enough to make it home. I didn't talk or call anyone that night. The next day back at the office, I was visibly out of it but blamed it on being under the weather. No one else in my department had been invited to the meeting and I felt a sense of guilt for not being able to share what I had witnessed. I thought about contacting the 3 others who wear kicked out of the house but I didn't remember their names and thought that tracking them down would probably bring unwanted attention. I considered speaking out publicly at the risk of losing my job but I realized I’d probably be jeopardizing more than my job and I wasn't willing to risk anything happening to my family. I thought about those men with guns and wondered who they were? I had been told that this was bigger than the music business and all I could do was let my imagination run free. There were no answers and no one to talk to. I tried to do a little bit of research on private prisons but didn’t uncover anything about the music business’ involvement. However, the information I did find confirmed how dangerous this prison business really was. Days turned into weeks and weeks into months. Eventually, it was as if the meeting had never taken place. It all seemed surreal. I became more reclusive and stopped going to any industry events unless professionally obligated to do so. On two occasions, I found myself attending the same function as my former colleague. Both times, our eyes met but nothing more was exchanged.

    As the months passed, rap music had definitely changed direction. I was never a fan of it but even I could tell the difference. Rap acts that talked about politics or harmless fun were quickly fading away as gangster rap started dominating the airwaves. Only a few months had passed since the meeting but I suspect that the ideas presented that day had been successfully implemented. It was as if the order has been given to all major label executives. The music was climbing the charts and most companies when more than happy to capitalize on it. Each one was churning out their very own gangster rap acts on an assembly line. Everyone bought into it, consumers included. Violence and drug use became a central theme in most rap music. I spoke to a few of my peers in the industry to get their opinions on the new trend but was told repeatedly that it was all about supply and demand. Sadly many of them even expressed that the music reinforced their prejudice of minorities.

    I officially quit the music business in 1993 but my heart had already left months before. I broke ties with the majority of my peers and removed myself from this thing I had once loved. I took some time off, returned to Europe for a few years, settled out of state, and lived a “quiet” life away from the world of entertainment. As the years passed, I managed to keep my secret, fearful of sharing it with the wrong person but also a little ashamed of not having had the balls to blow the whistle. But as rap got worse, my guilt grew. Fortunately, in the late 90’s, having the internet as a resource which wasn't at my disposal in the early days made it easier for me to investigate what is now labeled the prison industrial complex. Now that I have a greater understanding of how private prisons operate, things make much more sense than they ever have. I see how the criminalization of rap music played a big part in promoting racial stereotypes and misguided so many impressionable young minds into adopting these glorified criminal behaviors which often lead to incarceration. Twenty years of guilt is a heavy load to carry but the least I can do now is to share my story, hoping that fans of rap music realize how they’ve been used for the past 2 decades. Although I plan on remaining anonymous for obvious reasons, my goal now is to get this information out to as many people as possible. Please help me spread the word. Hopefully, others who attended the meeting back in 1991 will be inspired by this and tell their own stories. Most importantly, if only one life has been touched by my story, I pray it makes the weight of my guilt a little more tolerable.

    Thank you.
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    Nothing wrong with a good conspiracy theory: In my quest to research this letter I did come across two interesting graphs, whether it was the rise of Gangsta Rap or simply some other variable(s) is open for debate

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    As far as the person who commented that he meeting should have been in 1987: In 1987 there were many competing schools of rap, and Gangsta Rap was a small, not too popular segment. Probably the best known "street" rappers at this time were Eric B and Rakim, Ice T, NWA, BDP, Public Enemy (and most of those could be classified as political rap).... But you had a lot of house music acts that were far more popular; Dj Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince, LL Cool J, Kurtis Blow, Whodini, Beastie Boys, Slick Rick, Run DMC, and so on. It was about 1989 that Gangsta Rap started to come into its own, and The Chronic was the album that saw it take over.

    I'll still take the Ultramagnetic MC's and EPMD over 99% of the shit they have put out since The Chronic.
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    Steve-o, I think a lot of that first graph is showing the effects of the drug war and mandatory minimums as well. That is the real money maker for private prisons. Shit, Clinton smoked weed (I do not believe a guy that says he did not inhale) and arrests jumped up to something like 700,000 people for herb alone on his watch. No Obama is doing the same shit. Smokes weed when he's young, grows up, enacts a heavy handed policy. Fuck all that noise.

    And much of the violence in the ghetto due to crack was because of turf wars. Legalize it and guess what....now when some guy gets ripped off he doesn't have to shoot up another corner, he can file a police report and get his shit back legitimately.

    Unfortunately in America the people that enact policies would rather go harder in the war on drugs then admit that they fucked up and passed bad legislation. Prohibition didn't work for alcohol, which causes more death than any illegal drug, actually it dwarfs that fucking number. But these motherfucker would rather live in denial. Kind of like the same fucks that teach abstinence only sexual education and then are shocked that kids are still fucking and getting knocked up/stds/etc.

    Denial, the American way.

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    There are a whole bunch of coalescing factors that play into the stats of the late 80's, early 90's. The only thing worse than organized crime is disorganized crime, and that period was full of it. Crack is just so incredibly profitable, and it takes a while for the hard fuckers to weed out the soft fuckers by elimination and create a hierarchy. CCA was the Blackwater of the mid 80's, and made the war on drugs profitable to investors, and the public yearned for it because shit was fucking crazy, so it was great timing for those who were in on the ground floor of CCA. A friend of mine's father is a psychiatrist who was affiliated with CCA from the start, and talked about how profitable private prisons were going to be back as far as '86 when I was over at their place in high school. They started out by getting their toes into juvenile facilities, halfway houses, etc., before opening full adult prisons. He didn't even like the idea, just saw it as the natural evolution of what was coming. Also, there is the factor the Freakonomics guys pointed out about the crime rate decline and the Roe babies that were never born which affects the stats going forward. The pro-prison argument is they have them off the street, but in reality, the drop in crime is a whole bunch of factors.

    The story just has a bad timeline because anyone who can recall that time can remember the feel of it, and the music was getting harder well before '91, and every black kid was wearing a big Africa necklace and a shirt that read,"it's a black thing, you wouldn't understand" iirc by the time I got to college in '89, so the gangster shit almost stemmed out of a black power-type movement. You had Public Enemy and Fear of a Black Planet with their S1W armbands, and NWA and all the other stuff emerging a few years before '91. No one was listening to soft rap at that time outside suburban kids, and it was well on it's way out, and wouldn't need a secret cabal to usher in what was already happening. Plus, if you're one of the top 25 shot callers in any industry that they invite because you shape influence that much, you're going to know the other 24. That story read like he was only familiar with some of the invitees, and feels like he's trying to imply the rest were C.I.A types or something, who really wouldn't have much sway over a group of guys that firmly established if it didn't make business sense anyways. Other factors like the Rodney King incident and the following LA riots, the OJ Simpson trial/verdict just kept fanning the flames of gangster rap through the 90's, and by then, it was established.
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    Complete and utter bullshit for SO many reasons I won't waste my time listing them all.

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    What a joke...

    Tupac, Biggie, and many other famous rappers wrote about crime and violence because that's what they knew, saw, and were surrounding by growing up in neighborhoods and projects that were far below the poverty line. Not because of some grand conspiracy to increase the revenue of private prisons.

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    I think the point isn't that Rapper's were making up their content... The point is that who got pushed changed. I would think it is very hard to succeed, even with tons and tons of talent if you don't get a proper push... This couldn't happen now-a-days because artists have so many outlets to get themselves in front of an audience that just didn't exist 20 years ago.

    This story sounds like a nice conspiracy theory, if things like crack didn't exist than this would sound much more believable but realistically someone can write the same article and replace rap music with violent TV or video games, doesn't make it true.

    I have no knowledge of private prisons, but it sounds like something that would be interesting to read about, my first impression is that it cant possibly be a good idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jasep
    I have no knowledge of private prisons, but it sounds like something that would be interesting to read about, my first impression is that it cant possibly be a good idea.
    Private prisons are ran by people like me (actually ran like I could be a warden or even higher) and are staffed by $8-$9/hr gaurds. If that doesnt sound like a recipe for failure than I dont know what does?
    It's hilarious that we as a society think everyone can be a dr, a lawyer, an engineer. Some people are just fucking stupid. Why can't we just accept that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpewArtist View Post
    What a joke...

    Tupac, Biggie, and many other famous rappers wrote about crime and violence because that's what they knew, saw, and were surrounding by growing up in neighborhoods and projects that were far below the poverty line. Not because of some grand conspiracy to increase the revenue of private prisons.

    I like how you said this. Many people will come out and say that Tupac shouldn't talk about being a gangster, because he wasn't one. It is true that he wasn't a gangster. Yes he did go to ballerina classes, and study at the Baltimore School of Arts, but he came from absolutely nothing. Whether or not he had a successful life is another story. Yet he was a genius when it came to painting a picture in your imagination through his work.

    It is pretty laughable that some people actually think this might be true. It reminds me of that weird part of Youtube with all the Illuminati conspiracy videos. The videos that "prove" Bam Margera was a solstice sacrifice, and "proof" the video feeds of the planes crashing into the towers on 9/11 are fake.

    Sure record labels try to mold an artist's persona to try and sell more records. But mold their artist because they hold an interest in private prisons? I feel that is a little far fetched.
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    The only meeting that really ever mattered in gangsta rap history was when Suge Knight was threatening to kill Vanilla Ice.
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    everything about op absolutely reeks of white college kid trying to make waves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtyB View Post
    Is this being posted as a creative writing exercise or what? If the author knew anything about hip hop, they would have said the meeting was in 1987. Rap became popular in spite of the music industry, which didn't really embrace it until the mid 90s. And it has been steadily watered down into unlistenable pop ever since.
    Pretty much what I was thinking.

    I remember the meteoric rise in popularity in gangsta rap in the late 1980s.

    The one thing I'll disagree with the above is your claim that the music industry didn't embrace it until the mid-1990s. That is false. Rap actually infiltrated Top 40 music the most in the year 1990. It was hard to listen to any Top 40 station in 1990 without running into rap within a few minutes. Being someone who never liked rap (but did like Top 40 at the time), I remember being really annoyed by this.

    The popularity of grunge starting in late 1991 put a damper on that, and rap actually lost some of its Top 40 appeal.

    But yeah, this story is definitely BS.

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    I doubt the story but there's no doubt that impressionable youth model their life styles after gangster rappers. I wish there was a way to see how many people are in prisons, in gangs, addicted to drugs, dead, and all the other crimes their music glamorizes in order to be a "real G".

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    everything about op absolutely reeks of white college kid trying to make waves.
    I would have said white stormfront posters.

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    Right Wing propaganda to influence those on the edge to vote republican.

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