From The Penthouse To The Poorhouse: A WillieMcFuckMyLife Saga

[Krypt]

My friend got something injected in him to cure his alcoholism. Supposedly if he has a drop of booze enter his bloodstream he is most likely to have a stroke. So the fear of having a stroke prevents him to drink.


This is non fda approved obv and is probably bullshit but interesting in how some people deal with their issues.


He does coke every cpl weeks and smokes weed reg so I guess he just traded one vice for another

[Gordman]

My friend got something injected in him to cure his alcoholism. Supposedly if he has a drop of booze enter his bloodstream he is most likely to have a stroke. So the fear of having a stroke prevents him to drink.


This is non fda approved obv and is probably bullshit but interesting in how some people deal with their issues.


He does coke every cpl weeks and smokes weed reg so I guess he just traded one vice for another

[big dick]

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[limitles]

The only known and proven way to kick addiction is AA / NA. Sure every now and again an treatment center works, but its meetings every day that kick the cycle for most. The first 90 days is key and there is a meeting place probably five minutes away from you.

Williy, listen to this speaker, it helped me kick my Vodka addiction, and it helped others as well. I used to listen to this when I thought I would relapse and it kept me off the ledge. I still listen to it time to time as a reminder if nothing else.

http://www.xa-speakers.org/pafiledb....on=file&id=839

I just heard results of a scientic study that showed AA to be as effective as going solo.
It said that the majority of newcomers don't make it to a third meeting.
Problem being the substance abuse is often not the core issue.
Worked for my brother though.

[BetCheckBet]

The only known and proven way to kick addiction is AA / NA. Sure every now and again an treatment center works, but its meetings every day that kick the cycle for most. The first 90 days is key and there is a meeting place probably five minutes away from you.

Williy, listen to this speaker, it helped me kick my Vodka addiction, and it helped others as well. I used to listen to this when I thought I would relapse and it kept me off the ledge. I still listen to it time to time as a reminder if nothing else.

http://www.xa-speakers.org/pafiledb....on=file&id=839

I just heard results of a scientic study that showed AA to be as effective as going solo.
It said that the majority of newcomers don't make it to a third meeting.
Problem being the substance abuse is often not the core issue.
Worked for my brother though.

I work in the area so I feel qualified to comment. Yes AA and NA have shoddy evidence . That is in part because there haven't been studies and how groups are run vary widely. They are run by non professionals also. That being said there is evidence that they work very well in conjunction with individual therapy.

Some of my most successful clients have been into AA and NA big time. I think the big problem is that people think these groups are treatment when in reality they are more of a self help/support group. They are also great for people who have very low levels of social support or few sober friends.

[tgull]

I just heard results of a scientic study that showed AA to be as effective as going solo.
It said that the majority of newcomers don't make it to a third meeting.
Problem being the substance abuse is often not the core issue.
Worked for my brother though.

I work in the area so I feel qualified to comment. Yes AA and NA have shoddy evidence . That is in part because there haven't been studies and how groups are run vary widely. They are run by non professionals also. That being said there is evidence that they work very well in conjunction with individual therapy.

Some of my most successful clients have been into AA and NA big time. I think the big problem is that people think these groups are treatment when in reality they are more of a self help/support group. They are also great for people who have very low levels of social support or few sober friends.

No offense, but if you think AA is not functional and you are in the treatment business, its likely safe to assume you have a professional agenda. Everyone that goes to AA/NA and does not visit you, means money out of your industry. It's the age old battle between AA groups and treatment centers.

Yes, AA is run by non professionals / volunteers (ex drunks and addicts) and I was at meetings over time that candidly were dicey. In one particular meeting there was a guy running the meeting because the normal host did not show up. He was basically a doper and he very well might have been strung out. He had no business running a meeting and probably chased off some people. He was simply bizarre talking about shooting up outside a motel room, keep in mind this was AA not NA.

Anyway, I get your point, anything run by volunteers can get sketchy. But in my years in AA (and its been since 2010 since I went), most meetings were therapeutic. For no other reason it kept me occupied and away from the liquor store and casino.

[BetCheckBet]

I work in the area so I feel qualified to comment. Yes AA and NA have shoddy evidence . That is in part because there haven't been studies and how groups are run vary widely. They are run by non professionals also. That being said there is evidence that they work very well in conjunction with individual therapy.

Some of my most successful clients have been into AA and NA big time. I think the big problem is that people think these groups are treatment when in reality they are more of a self help/support group. They are also great for people who have very low levels of social support or few sober friends.

No offense, but if you think AA is not functional and you are in the treatment business, its likely safe to assume you have a professional agenda. Everyone that goes to AA/NA and does not visit you, means money out of your industry. It's the age old battle between AA groups and treatment centers.

Yes, AA is run by non professionals / volunteers (ex drunks and addicts) and I was at meetings over time that candidly were dicey. In one particular meeting there was a guy running the meeting because the normal host did not show up. He was basically a doper and he very well might have been strung out. He had no business running a meeting and probably chased off some people. He was simply bizarre talking about shooting up outside a motel room, keep in mind this was AA not NA.

Anyway, I get your point, anything run by volunteers can get sketchy. But in my years in AA (and its been since 2010 since I went), most meetings were therapeutic. For no other reason it kept me occupied and away from the liquor store and casino.

I said AA and NA are strong adjunct treatments but show questionable efficacy for being used as a primary treatment. This is not my opinion but that that of the research community. A big part of my job is linking clients with ongoing services so I refer many clients to AA and NA. But I've also seen some pretty stupid things like parents trying to get their 15 year old daughter to go to an adult group..

As I mentioned many of my successful clients go to AA. I just heard from one 18 year old last week who had just celebrated 8 months totally clean (and now running his own business) and AA was probably one of his biggest supports.

As for trying to get patients to come to me rather than AA/NA, sorry but LOL. The whole sector is overburdened and full of long waitlists. We want less clients not more...

[big dick]

I know a bunch of guys who got sober and have stayed sober via AA

[tgull]

No offense, but if you think AA is not functional and you are in the treatment business, its likely safe to assume you have a professional agenda. Everyone that goes to AA/NA and does not visit you, means money out of your industry. It's the age old battle between AA groups and treatment centers.

Yes, AA is run by non professionals / volunteers (ex drunks and addicts) and I was at meetings over time that candidly were dicey. In one particular meeting there was a guy running the meeting because the normal host did not show up. He was basically a doper and he very well might have been strung out. He had no business running a meeting and probably chased off some people. He was simply bizarre talking about shooting up outside a motel room, keep in mind this was AA not NA.

Anyway, I get your point, anything run by volunteers can get sketchy. But in my years in AA (and its been since 2010 since I went), most meetings were therapeutic. For no other reason it kept me occupied and away from the liquor store and casino.

As for trying to get patients to come to me rather than AA/NA, sorry but LOL. The whole sector is overburdened and full of long waitlists. We want less clients not more...

LOL, no offense but come on. Treatment officials have been trashing AA for years. I highly doubt when a patient whips out their credit card you guys are recommending AA. Nope, its $10K to start (and a healthy commission for the rep to be sure) to get into professional treatment. You get a millionaire parent in there with his 17 year old son its like a shark in water. And I am not trying to sound like a douche, I get it, its business, we all have to make money.

Addiction treatment is a business plain and simple. The broke ones you send to AA immediately. You have money, its treatment, and lots of it.

[BetCheckBet]

As for trying to get patients to come to me rather than AA/NA, sorry but LOL. The whole sector is overburdened and full of long waitlists. We want less clients not more...

LOL, no offense but come on. Treatment officials have been trashing AA for years. I highly doubt when a patient whips out their credit card you guys are recommending AA. Nope, its $10K to start (and a healthy commission for the rep to be sure) to get into professional treatment. You get a millionaire parent in there with his 17 year old son its like a shark in water. And I am not trying to sound like a douche, I get it, its business, we all have to make money.

Addiction treatment is a business plain and simple. The broke ones you send to AA immediately. You have money, its treatment, and lots of it.

Your assumption is incorrect and couldn't be further from the truth. Nor do many addiction treatments in Canada work that way (you are also assuming that treatment means rehab which for most it doesn't). But I won't derail Willies thread any further. Feel free to PM or start separate thread as I feel continuing would be disrespectful to Willie.

[BeerAndPoker]

Depends if he can play lower without getting bored losing the thrill of the game in doing so because from the sound of it in his original post he was winning perhaps on some big scores then ran badly probably making some bad decisions such as buying into the WSOP main event and shooting off a bunch of other money gambling in Vegas while there.

If he played that main event all on his own dime it probably was bad bankroll management. I don't know where Willie was financially but for example I wouldn't be entering the main all on my own dime with with $300k or less to my name and if he wasn't backed at all then I assume he had less then that. Having tens of thousands of dollars in a safe is what he says in his original post but that is a bit vague and sounds like it could be under 100k instead of a few hundred k which then he would likely say I had a few hundred k in my safe.

Some people when they have played that high before (no pun) if they have addictive personalities can't play lower using proper bankroll management. As I said I'm unaware of his past poker experience, use or lack their of with bankroll management,etc...

The wsop main event is the biggest value tournament of the year, so a good player could take a much more aggressive shot with their bankroll; knowing that if they brick it they can carry on playing at their usual lower stakes for the rest of the year. I'd shoot at it if I had $100k for example - $300k is just unnecessarily nitty.

The fact that he went broke several months later would suggest that he had nowhere near six figures too.

Not really talking just poker bankroll I'm talking that combined with life roll here but yes the Main Event is super soft for a $10k buyin.

Then the gambling afterwards where Willie says he blew through $15k and didn't care at the time was probably degening a bit. In that case he makes a mistake thinking because things were going so well for him the previous months leading up to the WSOP that they would continue that way so making that money back is not a problem. It all depends on how he built his roll to begin with whether it was from steady grinding it up or binking some good score in a MTT, pit game, BBJ,etc.

The events of losing $25k or more within a short period of time most likely helped lead to a downward spiral and a lot of that money he had in his box I'm assuming was a big percentage of his net worth.

Jungleman had $7 million or whatever on Full Tilt but it was some crazy amount like 95% of the money he had to his name in life which it was some crazy number so he wasn't looking out for his life roll enough to leave so much on there which it hurt him when the site went down just like Willie probably wasn't looking out for his future in that moment either. It's obvious Jungleman could get stakes so it's a bit different then Willie but just trying to explain why banks can actually be a good thing along with separating life money from your actual poker bankroll.

[tgull]

LOL, no offense but come on. Treatment officials have been trashing AA for years. I highly doubt when a patient whips out their credit card you guys are recommending AA. Nope, its $10K to start (and a healthy commission for the rep to be sure) to get into professional treatment. You get a millionaire parent in there with his 17 year old son its like a shark in water. And I am not trying to sound like a douche, I get it, its business, we all have to make money.

Addiction treatment is a business plain and simple. The broke ones you send to AA immediately. You have money, its treatment, and lots of it.

Your assumption is incorrect and couldn't be further from the truth. Nor do many addiction treatments in Canada work that way (you are also assuming that treatment means rehab which for most it doesn't). But I won't derail Willies thread any further. Feel free to PM or start separate thread as I feel continuing would be disrespectful to Willie.

Look man, I know what I am talking about. I have seen a lot of Mercedes in the parking lot of these treatment facilities and they are not driven by patients if you get my drift.

As far a Willy goes he will be fine. He just needs a few drinks get his head right in the short term and get to some AA/NA meetings in a couple weeks. I am all for the week long bender before you get your head right, just to get it out of your system. Set a date, get plastered and stick to the date when you get to it.

AA works, that is all I have to say.

[vegas1369]

Fight Willie! Don't let addiction own you my brother.

You have to WANT to be clean, not just say it, you need to WANT it more than anything.

As you know, there are going to be times, especially in the beginning of your sobriety, that the weakness is going to creep up on you and you are going to want to say "fuck it, I need the boot"... BUT FUCK THAT WILLIE!!! Stand up and say "FUCK YOU WEAKNESS, I'M MOTHER FUCKING WILLIE BAD ASS MOTHER FUCKING MCFUCKYOU, I DON'T NEED THIS SHIT!!!

Just deal with the ugliness of going clean in the beginning and be patient and strong. Slowly but surely you will gain back all that is lost, it's just going to take time. One day at a time my brother. Stay fucking strong.

[limitles]

Fight Willie! Don't let addiction own you my brother.

You have to WANT to be clean, not just say it, you need to WANT it more than anything.

As you know, there are going to be times, especially in the beginning of your sobriety, that the weakness is going to creep up on you and you are going to want to say "fuck it, I need the boot"... BUT FUCK THAT WILLIE!!! Stand up and say "FUCK YOU WEAKNESS, I'M MOTHER FUCKING WILLIE BAD ASS MOTHER FUCKING MCFUCKYOU, I DON'T NEED THIS SHIT!!!

Just deal with the ugliness of going clean in the beginning and be patient and strong. Slowly but surely you will gain back all that is lost, it's just going to take time. One day at a time my brother. Stay fucking strong.

I like it and hope it's an answer.

My problem is I end up hearing, "FUCK YOU, MUTHA FUCKIN LIBRARIAN!" "YOU GOIN TA BED EARLY AGIN TONIGHT?"
Logic wins most often and I'll grab a six pack.

[WillieMcFML]

DRK Star: Druff, change his title to MOTHER FUCKING WILLIE BAD ASS to help him remember this lesson

thanks, but there is nothing bad ass about being a fuckup

and thanks for the well wishes from everyone but this has always made me uncomfortable

like when i got clean the first time many years ago, people would tell me congrats, great job, etc

it's like "congrats, on being a loser, and then not being a loser anymore!"

[sonatine]

it happens.

that brand of shame spiral will keep you getting high infinite btw.

[delaware]

willie i was 60 when i was put on oxycodone. started with 10mg now i take 90 2 tim
es a day someday more. iam 68 now and cant walk without them and a canethis shit just dont let you go,this is just man made herion,if you can get by for 3 weeks without any your on your way to beino ok. but for 14 days your going tho hell. iam just to old to want to feel that bad. i have never done the real stuff and never will. you need those 2 weeks at home alone to have a chance. if you get that done just remember do it one time and you will have to start all over again. good luck willie your to young for this life

[Sanlmar]

it happens.

that brand of shame spiral will keep you getting high infinite btw.

No shit. Saw this and thought he was just being humble or contrite. But jeez this seems like he really feels this way.

We've all fucked up. Question is will your life continues to be a open festering puss filled wound instead of forming a good scar you can be proud of. It's the scars that make you interesting.

Edit: I've blown up my life's roll too - with kids & a mortgage. I win.

The heroin thing isn't that uncommon, I gather. So I bet it's tough but you aren't ready for some kind of "Fuck Up HOF". Son tells me stories about kids I know from travel teams and high school who got hurt (shoulders, knees) and ended up doing heroin once their opiate pain medication prescription ran out. It's really cheap.

Kids don't seem to have the same kind of stigma attached to others who have used.

You weren't looking for pity, you said. Cause you got that cornered. Bounce back and fuck what people think. Just give the others a few years and they'll have their own stories. If you ain't fucking up occasionally, you ain't livin.

I feel worse for guys like DRK and others who wrestle with pain every day and there isn't some 12 step plan that will end it. It does make their story more interesting though.

Only Druff can be perfect AND interesting.

[BetCheckBet]

DRK Star: Druff, change his title to MOTHER FUCKING WILLIE BAD ASS to help him remember this lesson

thanks, but there is nothing bad ass about being a fuckup

and thanks for the well wishes from everyone but this has always made me uncomfortable

like when i got clean the first time many years ago, people would tell me congrats, great job, etc

it's like "congrats, on being a loser, and then not being a loser anymore!"

It certainly can feel that way. And society has a way of stigmatizing mental health for sure. But I would ask would you think the same of someone who lost 100 pounds, went back to school, overcame homelessness, stopped being a deadbeat parent, etc. In the end success is success.

[MumblesBadly]

DRK Star: Druff, change his title to MOTHER FUCKING WILLIE BAD ASS to help him remember this lesson

thanks, but there is nothing bad ass about being a fuckup

and thanks for the well wishes from everyone but this has always made me uncomfortable

like when i got clean the first time many years ago, people would tell me congrats, great job, etc

it's like "congrats, on being a loser, and then not being a loser anymore!"

Willie, don't confuse a medical condition -- that is what you have because of the power of that drug -- with your worthiness. It may seem that way, but that is a lie that is swirling around in your head. A damn lie that has no place there.

So, tell that lie to fuck off. "Fuck off, lie!"
Because you ARE worthy. "Because I AM worthy!"