Police officer grabs female high school student out of desk & slams her to ground -- justified?

[Dan Druff]

This is creating controversy, in the latest round of the "aggressive white police officer versus unruly black citizen" social media battle.



At first glance, this seems outrageous. A police officer just picking up a girl out of her desk and slamming her to the ground? What could possibly justify this?

But the explanation starts to make a hell of a lot more sense, and upon thinking about it, I mostly side with the officer.

Apparently this girl was disrupting the class and the teacher told her to leave the class. We have all seen this happen before. In fact, some of us have been the ones told to leave class.

But what I've never seen before is the student REFUSING to leave. So what happens at that point? If an unruly student basically says, "Fuck you, I'm staying right here", then SOMEONE needs to physically move her.

When I was in school in the '70s and '80s, this would have been done by a school employee, such as the assistant principal or campus supervisor. If you sat there like an asshole and wouldn't budge, an adult would have come over, grabbed your ass out of the desk, dragged you out, and that would have been that.

However, this was actually taken one legal step further by assigning the task to a police officer -- someone authorized by the law to use necessary force to physically move people who are refusing to move from a place they are not allowed to be.

So the girl disrupted class, was asked to leave, wouldn't leave, and the cops were called. The cop asked her to leave, and she still wouldn't go.

So what should the guy have done at that point? Nicely requested it 100 more times?

The only real question here is if the officer used too much force. Should he have just pulled her out of the desk, rather than lifting her up and slamming her to the ground? Probably. But I don't have any sympathy for someone who creates a disruption, refuses to leave, and then bitches about the manner that they are handled when physically removed by the cops. You've basically created your own problem.

Unfortunately the media is having a field day with this, and is engaging in the usual white-versus-black and anti-police rhetoric.

[sonatine]

I think all students need to be slammed to the ground and dragged out of classrooms by cops, not just black ones.

[Dan Druff]

Very simple way to avoid getting physically harmed by police:

Respect their orders, and NEVER physically fight with them.

I don't know why some people have such a hard time understanding this.

[limitles]

Great read Todd.

This girl was the smartest in her class
as she has just won the lawsuit that will
allow her to attend any University that will have her
and or buy that house on the hill.

Video is sickening

[Lord of the Fraud]

She is a 14yo 'child'

Unless she was being violent, there is zero justification for using the type of force which was used by that grown man.

[Dan Druff]

She is a 14yo 'child'

Unless she was being violent, there is zero justification for using the type of force which was used by that grown man.

So what should have been done?

Should everyone have just sat there all day until she was ready to move? None of the other students have a right to an education?

How exactly was this situation to end unless there was some kind of physical altercation to forcefully remove her?

Honestly if there was a lot more consequence like this for teenage punks who think they own the world and can disrupt everything at will, society would be much better as a whole.

I can tell you that if this shit happened in the '70s or '80s, everyone (including the student lifted out) would know that this was a fitting consequence, it would be a topic of conversation for one day, and everyone would move on.

Now every disruptive asshole and criminal gets to play victim.

[simpdog]

They should have removed other students from the situation first.

Otherwise not tooooo far out of line.

[4Dragons]

She is a 14yo 'child'

Unless she was being violent, there is zero justification for using the type of force which was used by that grown man.

So what should have been done?

Should everyone have just sat there all day until she was ready to move? None of the other students have a right to an education?

How exactly was this situation to end unless there was some kind of physical altercation to forcefully remove her?

Honestly if there was a lot more consequence like this for teenage punks who think they own the world and can disrupt everything at will, society would be much better as a whole.

I can tell you that if this shit happened in the '70s or '80s, everyone (including the student lifted out) would know that this was a fitting consequence, it would be a topic of conversation for one day, and everyone would move on.

Now every disruptive asshole and criminal gets to play victim.

I've seen a lot of weird shit in my day, a lot of it was mental illness that caused the behavior from people. I'm not saying that in this case that something wasn't criminal, but with the circumstances I would hope that someone with that authority would treat the individual as disturbed. He treated the kid as a threat, and now he'll never work again, because she was a lot of things.. but not a threat.

[Lord of the Fraud]

She is a 14yo 'child'

Unless she was being violent, there is zero justification for using the type of force which was used by that grown man.

So what should have been done?

Should everyone have just sat there all day until she was ready to move? None of the other students have a right to an education?

How exactly was this situation to end unless there was some kind of physical altercation to forcefully remove her?

Honestly if there was a lot more consequence like this for teenage punks who think they own the world and can disrupt everything at will, society would be much better as a whole.

I can tell you that if this shit happened in the '70s or '80s, everyone (including the student lifted out) would know that this was a fitting consequence, it would be a topic of conversation for one day, and everyone would move on.

Now every disruptive asshole and criminal gets to play victim.

Force should of been attempted, but not to the degree which was used... If she still dug in after that. Then parents should be called and a temporary or permanent expulsion should follow.

What I also found a little odd was the reaction of her classmates to what was going on. It was like they pretended nothing was happening. Maybe it was shock or fear. But looked a bit weird anyway.

[v12cl]

[RealTalk]

yes druff, this neanderthal cop had no other way to physically remove this girl from her desk or the classroom besides rag-dolling her 8 feet across the room...

here he is deadlifting 635lbs



i suppose the girl's friend who was appalled and said "what the fuck" was a justifiable arrest as well, definitely a good use of taxpayer resources.

those numerous civil rights complaints and lawsuits against this guy in the last decade is all just a big misunderstanding too, im sure. just a coincidence.

let someone treat ben like this, im sure you'd be ok with it if he was just being an asshole teenager.

[ToasterOven]

Very simple way to avoid getting physically harmed by police:

Respect their orders, and NEVER physically fight with them.

I don't know why some people have such a hard time understanding this.

She has a unique physical fighting style sitting there in a desk.

[Dan Druff]

So what should have been done?

Should everyone have just sat there all day until she was ready to move? None of the other students have a right to an education?

How exactly was this situation to end unless there was some kind of physical altercation to forcefully remove her?

Honestly if there was a lot more consequence like this for teenage punks who think they own the world and can disrupt everything at will, society would be much better as a whole.

I can tell you that if this shit happened in the '70s or '80s, everyone (including the student lifted out) would know that this was a fitting consequence, it would be a topic of conversation for one day, and everyone would move on.

Now every disruptive asshole and criminal gets to play victim.

Force should of been attempted, but not to the degree which was used... If she still dug in after that. Then parents should be called and a temporary or permanent expulsion should follow.

What I also found a little odd was the reaction of her classmates to what was going on. It was like they pretended nothing was happening. Maybe it was shock or fear. But looked a bit weird anyway.

They had no reaction likely because they had seen this crazy bitch act up time and time again, and weren't surprised that she finally got what was coming to her.

You say the parents should have been called. How do you know they could be reached? Or that they could get down there quickly? For many parents it would take over an hour to get down to the school, even if they left work immediately.

I don't have sympathy for someone forcibly removed when they are intentionally disrupting something and planting themselves where they shouldn't be. I'm not saying they should shoot the person or do something way over-the-top, but an "aggressive removal" (which is what I would call this) is fine, and in fact might teach the person a good lesson.

Once again, if you are going to be an asshole and disrupt something with no regard for everyone else there, you have to accept the consequences of injuries you might suffer when you're forcibly removed.

You can't create a disturbance, refuse to leave, disobey police orders, and then cry that you weren't gently escorted out in the most sensitive way possible.

[Dan Druff]

yes druff, this neanderthal cop had no other way to physically remove this girl from her desk or the classroom besides rag-dolling her 8 feet across the room...

here he is deadlifting 635lbs



i suppose the girl's friend who was appalled and said "what the fuck" was a justifiable arrest as well, definitely a good use of taxpayer resources.

those numerous civil rights complaints and lawsuits against this guy in the last decade is all just a big misunderstanding too, im sure. just a coincidence.

let someone treat ben like this, im sure you'd be ok with it if he was just being an asshole teenager.

If teenage Ben planted disrupted class and planted himself at the desk, and refused to remove even when the police told him to, I wouldn't feel bad for him if the police lifted out of the desk and slammed to the ground.

I'd actually think it would be a positive, as it would teach him a lesson not to do that kind of shit in the future.

[TheXFactor]

This is creating controversy, in the latest round of the "aggressive white police officer versus unruly black citizen" social media battle.


At first glance, this seems outrageous. A police officer just picking up a girl out of her desk and slamming her to the ground? What could possibly justify this?

But the explanation starts to make a hell of a lot more sense, and upon thinking about it, I mostly side with the officer.

Apparently this girl was disrupting the class and the teacher told her to leave the class. We have all seen this happen before. In fact, some of us have been the ones told to leave class.

But what I've never seen before is the student REFUSING to leave. So what happens at that point? If an unruly student basically says, "Fuck you, I'm staying right here", then SOMEONE needs to physically move her.

When I was in school in the '70s and '80s, this would have been done by a school employee, such as the assistant principal or campus supervisor. If you sat there like an asshole and wouldn't budge, an adult would have come over, grabbed your ass out of the desk, dragged you out, and that would have been that.

However, this was actually taken one legal step further by assigning the task to a police officer -- someone authorized by the law to use necessary force to physically move people who are refusing to move from a place they are not allowed to be.

So the girl disrupted class, was asked to leave, wouldn't leave, and the cops were called. The cop asked her to leave, and she still wouldn't go.

So what should the guy have done at that point? Nicely requested it 100 more times?

The only real question here is if the officer used too much force. Should he have just pulled her out of the desk, rather than lifting her up and slamming her to the ground? Probably. But I don't have any sympathy for someone who creates a disruption, refuses to leave, and then bitches about the manner that they are handled when physically removed by the cops. You've basically created your own problem.

Unfortunately the media is having a field day with this, and is engaging in the usual white-versus-black and anti-police rhetoric.

Probably because you are Racist!!!

Next time a police officer pulls you over for speeding, would it be okay for the cop to beat your ass with a stick?


Take the Racist Test...

http://www.helloquizzy.com/tests/the...t-are-you-test

http://www.quibblo.com/quiz/34t0lr/Are-You-A-Racist

[Dan Druff]

Still waiting for the critics to give a good suggestion how to handle this.

All we have so far is "call the parents", which isn't a viable solution for reasons I already stated.

You have to use force to remove someone who will not move. Period.

This had to get physical in some way. For some reason a lot of people don't want to accept this, and feel that the girl should have been able to basically create a long standoff and ruin everyone else's right to an education while she does.

Sorry, life shouldn't work that way. If you are disrupting something and will not leave, the police should have a right to forcibly remove you.

[RealTalk]

Force should of been attempted, but not to the degree which was used... If she still dug in after that. Then parents should be called and a temporary or permanent expulsion should follow.

What I also found a little odd was the reaction of her classmates to what was going on. It was like they pretended nothing was happening. Maybe it was shock or fear. But looked a bit weird anyway.

They had no reaction likely because they had seen this crazy bitch act up time and time again, and weren't surprised that she finally got what was coming to her.

You say the parents should have been called. How do you know they could be reached? Or that they could get down there quickly? For many parents it would take over an hour to get down to the school, even if they left work immediately.

I don't have sympathy for someone forcibly removed when they are intentionally disrupting something and planting themselves where they shouldn't be. I'm not saying they should shoot the person or do something way over-the-top, but an "aggressive removal" (which is what I would call this) is fine, and in fact might teach the person a good lesson.

Once again, if you are going to be an asshole and disrupt something with no regard for everyone else there, you have to accept the consequences of injuries you might suffer when you're forcibly removed.

You can't create a disturbance, refuse to leave, disobey police orders, and then cry that you weren't gently escorted out in the most sensitive way possible.

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[Dan Druff]

This is creating controversy, in the latest round of the "aggressive white police officer versus unruly black citizen" social media battle.


At first glance, this seems outrageous. A police officer just picking up a girl out of her desk and slamming her to the ground? What could possibly justify this?

But the explanation starts to make a hell of a lot more sense, and upon thinking about it, I mostly side with the officer.

Apparently this girl was disrupting the class and the teacher told her to leave the class. We have all seen this happen before. In fact, some of us have been the ones told to leave class.

But what I've never seen before is the student REFUSING to leave. So what happens at that point? If an unruly student basically says, "Fuck you, I'm staying right here", then SOMEONE needs to physically move her.

When I was in school in the '70s and '80s, this would have been done by a school employee, such as the assistant principal or campus supervisor. If you sat there like an asshole and wouldn't budge, an adult would have come over, grabbed your ass out of the desk, dragged you out, and that would have been that.

However, this was actually taken one legal step further by assigning the task to a police officer -- someone authorized by the law to use necessary force to physically move people who are refusing to move from a place they are not allowed to be.

So the girl disrupted class, was asked to leave, wouldn't leave, and the cops were called. The cop asked her to leave, and she still wouldn't go.

So what should the guy have done at that point? Nicely requested it 100 more times?

The only real question here is if the officer used too much force. Should he have just pulled her out of the desk, rather than lifting her up and slamming her to the ground? Probably. But I don't have any sympathy for someone who creates a disruption, refuses to leave, and then bitches about the manner that they are handled when physically removed by the cops. You've basically created your own problem.

Unfortunately the media is having a field day with this, and is engaging in the usual white-versus-black and anti-police rhetoric.

Probably because you are Racist!!!

Next time a police officer pulls you over for speeding, would it be okay for the cop to beat your ass with a stick?


Take the Racist Test...

http://www.helloquizzy.com/tests/the...t-are-you-test

http://www.quibblo.com/quiz/34t0lr/Are-You-A-Racist

No, it wouldn't be appropriate for the cop to beat me for speeding, because I don't present any threat when I am pulled over.

I follow instructions, do not infringe upon the rights of others, and do not fight anyone.

This is why I will never get beaten by police officers during any kind of encounter with them. Plenty of law-abiding black people can also say the same.

[Lord of the Fraud]

Force should of been attempted, but not to the degree which was used... If she still dug in after that. Then parents should be called and a temporary or permanent expulsion should follow.

What I also found a little odd was the reaction of her classmates to what was going on. It was like they pretended nothing was happening. Maybe it was shock or fear. But looked a bit weird anyway.

They had no reaction likely because they had seen this crazy bitch act up time and time again, and weren't surprised that she finally got what was coming to her.

You say the parents should have been called. How do you know they could be reached? Or that they could get down there quickly? For many parents it would take over an hour to get down to the school, even if they left work immediately.

I don't have sympathy for someone forcibly removed when they are intentionally disrupting something and planting themselves where they shouldn't be. I'm not saying they should shoot the person or do something way over-the-top, but an "aggressive removal" (which is what I would call this) is fine, and in fact might teach the person a good lesson.

Once again, if you are going to be an asshole and disrupt something with no regard for everyone else there, you have to accept the consequences of injuries you might suffer when you're forcibly removed.

You can't create a disturbance, refuse to leave, disobey police orders, and then cry that you weren't gently escorted out in the most sensitive way possible.

If I can't presume her parents can be called then you can't presume she has form for this type of behaviour.

IF she was just having a very bad day and had no previous..... Would that much force still be justifiable? Because you're presuming a lot of things.

[ToasterOven]

Shut it down, Druff.