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    I had it out with the tournament director of w.p.n..

    I rallied a whole bunch of posters to complain about th 3hour/5 hour late reg on the majority of there tournaments on all levels..

    Proclaiming that people would enter more tournaments and satellites if the late reg was 60 minutes across the board..

    He was worried about overlays...

    We insisted that it's a self fulfilling prophecy because that's what's stopping rec players in mass from buying in to higher tournaments, playing satellites and generally logging more hands..

    The #1 complaints about a.c.r is the late reg and the nit/rec ratio and that 60 minutes late reg would solve that problem even if they had to lower g.t.d accross the board..

    Cater to the rec,s and the nits will come..

    They insisted we were wrong there keeping 3 hour late reg???

    Any constructive opinions??

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    He was complaining about overlays...

    And that the 3 hour late reg helps reach g.t.d..,and they have a 200k.overlay problem.

    I explained that if he made everything 60 late and lowered the g.t.d.. that..

    1..The nits won't leave because it would bring a lot of new people in, and nits like that..

    2..the recs would be entering more tournaments and playing longer hours during the day.

    3...the average Mtt grinder would find it doable to enter at higher buy-in "thinking" they had a better chance at cashing.

    4.. people would play more satellite,s to the.by tournament because the 60 late instead of 5 hour late would make it more attainable.

    5..thus no more overlays and the g.t.d. would increase again.

    All you.guys are more experienced then me, where is my logic wrong because he still insist on 180 late or are they being dishonest some how??

    Please help refine my argument if I'm wrong or support my logic...
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    Yeah, you are wasting your time and uselessly barking up tree . Winnings admins have blinders on and all they can see is all that rake coming with all those rebuys addons etc. People have really tried to sway the admins but they are deadfast against any change and will not bend. Winning has its good sides like paying out fast but when it comes to listening to what players want they have earplugs , blinders on. Put your efforts elsewhere as they are wasted on this group.

     
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    To further make my point I expressed that he should make 1(one) monthly 50k with 60 late for 100$ buy in.. and have supporting satellites..

    You wouldn't get 500 entries...

    Of course you would so my logic is sound..

    They could do that a cross the board but for argument sake just one..

    I've gotten no response...

    Because that undermines there gimmick..

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    Update.....

    Winning_td personally assured me that a "large monthly" with a 60 late would be coming after the slow season..

    He has also started his own thread agreeing with some of our concerns and will post more g.t.d. tournaments with 60 late.

    I personally have no reason not to take him at his word..

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    UPDATED..

    Just though I would share this..

    I know acr has been getting a lot of complaints about there late reg..

    When I rejoined 2+2 last month I made that my primary focus albeit with a speratenesq style.

    The old late reg threads were dozens of pages,back.

    I started a couple of threads as well posting in older ones,about late reg and it's hurting traffic and why. I got a lot of people talking about it to the point the t.d. chimed in referring to my posts( kinda)..

    I'm happy to post he is creating a GI60 tournament series all with 60 late...

    I can't prove it but I will take some credit..

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    All the Daily tourneys should be down to 60 minutes to max 1:30 at most unless it's a major events I stopped playing there due to it. It's for re entry is what it is so more rake.

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    Yeah, I saw that thread where tournament director finally acquiesced to player demands and agreed to put in some hour rebuys. Lol about it being a victory its so ridiculous to have nothing but 3 hour plus rebuys. They had six hour rebuys for 1 dollar buyin 10ks . I may go back and play some tourneys there now. Big accomplishment to get winning mgmt to bend in any way shape or form.

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    Please do. The only way this works if there no overlay and traffic increases for mtt..

    So far so good. I only grind mtt but if this structure works on acr. It would be an awesome poker site..

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    I haven't looked for them yet, but I agree with the reasonable reg times. I deposited a few months back and was in a MTT where people were allowed to enter like 3 plus hours in. I understand the idea behind allowing this-that they are buying in short, have less edge, etc... but i'd prefer a shorter mtt.

    I'll look for these.

    There are some serious donks in these MTT's, and they rebuy which is good, but I dont want to spend hours for some bs prize pool.

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    I really think that the outcry to get rid of extended late reg has very little logive behind it. It's players complaining because things aren't the way the want them to be (the way they were before black friday). Also, I think many players just tilt during the last few levels of late reg because after looking at giant overlay in lobby for 2.5 hours quickly disappear they feel slowrolled

    Late reg allows for larger guarantees, this attracts more recreational players, and poker grows.

    Some tourneys do allow you to register too close to the money, creating postential freeroll for mincash. However, these are rare and most players who attempt this find themselves in a very -ev situation, which is overall good for the the "fish to reg" ratio.

    The biggest argument I can think of against extended re-entry structure is that solid regs will be re entering at higher frequency than fish, especially at the mid-higher stakes, thus making the fields "artificially" tougher.


    Not all WPN mtts have 3 hours of late reg.

    They have on demand mtts with less than an hour.

    Some of the r&a on mtts have 60 min late reg with 90 min of rebuys.

    They have dailys with smaller grts and shorter late reg.

    But for their biggest mtts on schedule, I think it's pretty obvious that if they shorten the late reg, they will need to either reduce the grt or be prepared to lose lots of $ on regular overlays.



    imo The one hour late reg series is just a backhanded way of showing the complainers why extended late reg is necessary for the playerpool they have today. I think the overall reaction will be very underwhelming compared to the 5 hour late reg series they ran a couple months ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by weeeeee View Post
    All the Daily tourneys should be down to 60 minutes to max 1:30 at most unless it's a major events I stopped playing there due to it. It's for re entry is what it is so more rake.
    Why should re-entry tournaments charge less rake than freeze outs?

    It's true for some reason the norm was established back before 2000 - The house makes their money in poker tournaments by taking a % of the the players total prizepool. The bigger the buyin, the more they got. UNLESS, it's a rebuy and add on, then they give a huge discount (over 70%) - and the percentage they make is not directly related to the amount wagered.


    If were going to complain about rake, it seems the more logical argument would be to reduce the % they take. The players who wager one entry, should not have to pay double the rake of someone who wagers two entries.

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    If your almost better off entering late andvshiving a couple of times instead of staring 3 hour early. Something is wrong.

    All this late reg is a gimmick perpertarated by poker companies against the players.

    If it's a mega daily,weekly or monthly tournament then late reg is fine only! If the blinds and starting starting stack truly benefits the player that started in time.

    Most reg,s agree as well as pros and all the rec,s..

    Recs do not renter multiple times in same tournament. They start a new one..

    The nit,s do. You have too much time on your hands. Get a girlfriend .

    The gi60 are doing very well by the way. They have a normal! Feel to then

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    Quote Originally Posted by thesparten View Post
    If your almost better off entering late andvshiving a couple of times instead of staring 3 hour early. Something is wrong.

    All this late reg is a gimmick perpertarated by poker companies against the players.

    If it's a mega daily,weekly or monthly tournament then late reg is fine only! If the blinds and starting starting stack truly benefits the player that started in time.
    This is an excellent example of the general reasoning used by most complainers. Please provide the logic behind your "If this, then that" rule.

    Calling it a gimmick is fine. WPN is trying to be as profitable as possible - which means they are trying to attract maximum players and create biggest mtts they can.


    Quote Originally Posted by thesparten View Post

    Most reg,s agree as well as pros and all the rec,s..

    Recs do not renter multiple times in same tournament. They start a new one..

    The nit,s do. You have too much time on your hands. Get a girlfriend .
    You can't be serious.

    If so, please provide evidence.

    Your entire argument so far is a total logic fail.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by duped_samaritan View Post
    I really think that the outcry to get rid of extended late reg has very little logive behind it. It's players complaining because things aren't the way the want them to be (the way they were before black friday). Also, I think many players just tilt during the last few levels of late reg because after looking at giant overlay in lobby for 2.5 hours quickly disappear they feel slowrolled

    Late reg allows for larger guarantees, this attracts more recreational players, and poker grows.

    Some tourneys do allow you to register too close to the money, creating postential freeroll for mincash. However, these are rare and most players who attempt this find themselves in a very -ev situation, which is overall good for the the "fish to reg" ratio.

    The biggest argument I can think of against extended re-entry structure is that solid regs will be re entering at higher frequency than fish, especially at the mid-higher stakes, thus making the fields "artificially" tougher.


    Not all WPN mtts have 3 hours of late reg.

    They have on demand mtts with less than an hour.

    Some of the r&a on mtts have 60 min late reg with 90 min of rebuys.

    They have dailys with smaller grts and shorter late reg.

    But for their biggest mtts on schedule, I think it's pretty obvious that if they shorten the late reg, they will need to either reduce the grt or be prepared to lose lots of $ on regular overlays.



    imo The one hour late reg series is just a backhanded way of showing the complainers why extended late reg is necessary for the playerpool they have today. I think the overall reaction will be very underwhelming compared to the 5 hour late reg series they ran a couple months ago.

    Who wants to play 8 hour plus tournaments for 10 dollar entries with nothing else on the menu? People who think that this will attract rec players must be taking some serious drugs and I would like to know why they aren't sharing. The only descent tournaments are buyins that are 50 dollars to 300 dollars. The rentrys don't factor in at these stakes because of the smaller pools of players and lesser amount of chips which do provide better play. The tournaments the recs are looking for are the 20 dollar buyin and less that are an abomination. Winning is doing nothing but paying out large overlays proving that their tournament structure is not what the players are looking for which is why they agreed to reduce to 1 hour renters. They need to attract more players then the current player pool as it is all regs with not too many of the rec type players . Every online poker site is reg infested unless you are a row player.

    People don't really tilt because overlays disappear. Usually after playing 3 plus hours a lot of people have maybe 3 times the original buyins and by the time the rebuy period is over that equates to 12 big blinds with the last entry rebuy people having 4 big blinds. I have seen it. People always say what great structure which is lol. The only people who are deep after last period of late entry are the top stacks. This is not great structure as all the fan boys of winning claim it to be.

    People tilt that have been playing for 3 plus hours because with blinds what they are, the people who have been playing for 3 hours are no better off then the late entries. Shitty poker if you ask me.

     
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    Excellent point!!!!

    Nobody is complaining about lowering the gtd to accommodate the gi60..

    They had a 2$ entry for a 200gtd. That hit almost 400.

    They even had a 30$ gi60 with a 600gtd that broke 1000.. And that was a small winnable field with the payout structure not being deluted by reentries. It was fun! not work or slots. The way poker should be.

    I'm not comparing acr to stars or being a nit.

    The td said that the gtd will be small at first and raise them accordingly..

    It's all working out. The nit who posted above Frank has to "get a life"..

    Who the fuck wants a 3 hour late with the same 5 people reentering multiple times and a half a dozen coming in last minute and shoving multiple times.

    You call that poker..

    Even druff on the last show had some issues with that. These nits call us complainers?!!? They are generally the anal retentive, passive aggressive complainers who truly believe " they don't complain more than most" in other words there nit,s..
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    I just got done playing my first 60 min late reg tourney and managed too cash in at 4th.
    I'd rather pay a higher entry fee for a smaller field and less of the over the top late reg shenanigans. It's just a better value. I'll be playing there a lot more now.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by blubbernuffle View Post
    I just got done playing my first 60 min late reg tourney and managed too cash in at 4th.
    I'd rather pay a higher entry fee for a smaller field and less of the over the top late reg shenanigans. It's just a better value. I'll be playing there a lot more now.
    Heck yeah. Gi60 rocj

    I did a 30$entry for a 600gtd. And if generally don'tplay that high(30$)

    It had like 35 entries. I played tight most of the time made a couple of bluffs, that worked. Didnt cash though. I think it was top 8 in the money.

    I made it out of the late. It was fun and felt like real poker. Not a rentry casino.

    I didn't cash but first was around 500 for 35 entries and 2.5 hours of play then I jumped into the 2$ 200 gtd that hit a 1000.. It was just fun

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    Quote Originally Posted by blubbernuffle View Post
    I just got done playing my first 60 min late reg tourney and managed too cash in at 4th.
    I'd rather pay a higher entry fee for a smaller field and less of the over the top late reg shenanigans. It's just a better value. I'll be playing there a lot more now.
    Heck yeah. The Gi60 rock

    I did a 30$entry for a 600gtd. And i generally don'tplay that high(30$)

    It had like 35 entries. I played tight most of the time made a couple of bluffs, that worked. Didnt cash though. I think it was top 8 in the money.

    I made it out of the late. It was fun and felt like real poker. Not a rentry casino.

    I didn't cash but first was around 500 for 35 entries and 2.5 hours of play then I jumped into the 2$ 200 gtd that hit a 1000.. It was just fun

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