Dude enters Aria $125 tourney, gets seated at $25,000 High Roller instead --- GOES WITH IT!

[Forum Wars]

Now banhammered from Aria. He stacked 3 regulars (including Tom Marchese) before a tally at Aria showed a monetary discrepancy and Aria is accusing him of knowingly playing when he should have pointed out their mistake to them (apparently he was given the wrong seat ticket from Aria).

Obviously, some other High Roller regular players are now trying to get refunds. MGM: We won't simply stand by and be undermined by Caesars for fail...we want our piece too!

Another curious thing here is how this is not seemingly being covered in the mainstream poker media...not interesting enough? Or is something more nefarious going on?

Story's on 2+2 if you want to read more...

[lewfather]

obv this clown knew what was going on, especially when he gathers his surroundings and sees a bunch of pros butttt i think if aria is dumb enough to fuck up the ticket, he should be allowed a 1x pass for being stupid enough to try. ill accept him being bounced for the day but 86'd for life over this would be a real shitty move on aria's part. i saw a tweet from bonomo saying it was like 7hrs in when they figured it out and bounced his ass.

[OSA]

I wish this had happened to me when I played this tourney last week. However, I would have tried to get a refund before the tourney started.

Is Tom Dwan playing this event? Pics are appreciated

[garrett]

The greatest part of this story is the $125 donkament 'fish' (or is he) bounced numerous 25k regs. And in a tiny tourney, where they mostly all swap %'s and protect one another. The Arias lack of quality control and $24,875 mistake is the real mistake here.

And lol, nice to know the $125 donkament strat is the way to go vs. 25k 'ballers'. He stacked them and racked them apparently <3 !!!

Druff find out who this guy is and get him on radio please. So much gold in this story.

[Dan Druff]

I wish this had happened to me when I played this tourney last week. However, I would have tried to get a refund before the tourney started.

Is Tom Dwan playing this event? Pics are appreciated

If you got a ticket to this event and thought you could get a refund for the full $25k (thus profiting $24,875), but then noticed you were seated in between Tom Dwan and Tony Dunst, what would you do?

[OSA]

I wish this had happened to me when I played this tourney last week. However, I would have tried to get a refund before the tourney started.

Is Tom Dwan playing this event? Pics are appreciated

If you got a ticket to this event and thought you could get a refund for the full $25k (thus profiting $24,875), but then noticed you were seated in between Tom Dwan and Tony Dunst, what would you do?

Good q. I would take refund and just try to hit on them on break or when they went to the bathroom. 25k is just to big of a payout to ignore.


However, I would take the 25k to a cash game where they are sitting and just fold majority of hands and hit on them at the table.

[DRK Star]

Multiple people have referred to this guy as a "fish". Just because he isnt paying 25K to get into a tourney, doesnt mean he is a fish. His buy-in amount has nothing to do with his skill level.

[unchainedghost]

Multiple people have referred to this guy as a "fish". Just because he isnt paying 25K to get into a tourney, doesnt mean he is a fish. His buy-in amount has nothing to do with his skill level.

The will to put up 25k is the true skill

[Forum Wars]

I deciphered that last tweet from Justin Bonomo below to mean Aria "pulled the guy out" right away when they realized their own ticket error and forgot to (or just didn't think to) stop play at that time --- letting his chips blind down freely to the players at his former table who were gunning for them, at least for a few rounds. That seems unfair to the other tables, even if it only happened with part of his abandoned stack.

Only after some time of bleeding chips that should have already been marked "invalid" did they do something: they took them out of play...and I assume they adjusted the prize pool down.

[DRK Star]

It would be nice to know how they came to the determination that he deserved to be banned for life. Did he act at that table, at the end, as if he knew and was trying to get away with something? Did he ever say anything to anyone that would prove that he knew what he was doing was wrong?

Also, what did the ticket look like? Did it clearly indicate what event he just bought in to? In large font, or was it barely noticeable? I have played several times where I paid, they gave me a ticket, I never looked at it, and just sat at the table and gave it to the dealer when he asked.

[BeerAndPoker]

The guy shouldn't be banned for life for Aria's fuck up. If anything they should be happy they caught this even though it took several hours thanks to someone who was incompetent to let it happen in the first place.

I'm sure he realized but still Aria made the mistake and should have pulled the guy, gave him his $125 for the event he didn't play, and comp him very nicely for wasting his time because even though it's 99% likely he knew it's still Aria who fucked it up in the first place.

If this was JRB who obviously knew about it I bet they comp him hard because the Aria cherry picks their favorites and has done that shit for years.

[BetCheckBet]

Ban for life seems appropriate. Or they could have forced him to pay 25k entry. In terms of case law around this you are normally on the hook if you take too much money. EG bank mistakenly gives you several thousand dollars you are forced to pay it back and can even be criminally charged for it in some cases if you don't. The same goes if your employer accidently pays you too much.

And obviously the guy knew...

[DRK Star]

I disagree with that logic. If you KNOW that you are owed 3K and your employer pays you 10K, you know that there is an error.

If you pay 125 to play poker, and sit down at a table full of people to play poker, how are you supposed to know that the buy in was 25K? You would only know that if you read the ticket (which would have hopefully said 25K buyin) or someone at the table said Hey, this is a 25K buyin. There is no other evidence you would visibly/verbally get to determine its a 25K table.

And you cant argue that he would have known that the other players at the table are 25K game players. There are just too many unknowns yet that have not come out.

If they are banning him, you can only speculate that they had evidence that he should have known and was willfully and intentionally trying to cheat. Its not for certain though.

[TheXFactor]

Any casino is going to ban for life any player who takes advantage of a cashier error.
I've seen it happen repeatedly at many casinos.

A regular casino player goes to cash in chips, cashier gives him $400 more then they should have, about 4 hours later they ask for the money back saying the cashier made a mistake, he says "fuck off", they ban him from playing on their property for life.

A regular casino player has his girlfriend/wife cash out his chips for him, casino has him banned for life. (Floyd Mayweather does this all the time, casino doesn't do shit)

A regular casino player hit the jackpot repeatedly on high-limit slots/video poker, casinos employees fucked up because machines were set so that the casino didn't have a huge advantage. Casino player get banned for life from all properties, banned for life for winning.

Casinos assume zero responsibility for anything, while the player is always liable for everything.

[Shizzmoney]

I wish this had happened to me when I played this tourney last week. However, I would have tried to get a refund before the tourney started

#optimalstrategy

BTW story of the year...love the continued shunning of accountability casinos are having when THEY fuck up.

Embedded Tweet

https://twitter.com/stealthmunk/status/604816558314000385, but from a marketing perspective: admit the mistake, freeroll the guy, and maybe you get some feel good PR for it.

Any casino is going to ban for life any player who takes advantage of a cashier error.
I've seen it happen repeatedly at many casinos

Can they come after you legally after the fact for the cash+damages? Or all they can do is 86 a person for doing that?

[Corrigan]

It would be nice to know how they came to the determination that he deserved to be banned for life. Did he act at that table, at the end, as if he knew and was trying to get away with something? Did he ever say anything to anyone that would prove that he knew what he was doing was wrong?

Also, what did the ticket look like? Did it clearly indicate what event he just bought in to? In large font, or was it barely noticeable? I have played several times where I paid, they gave me a ticket, I never looked at it, and just sat at the table and gave it to the dealer when he asked.

Can you go back to talking about how this guy wouldn't be a fish in a $25k event.

[ThreeBet]

It would be nice to know how they came to the determination that he deserved to be banned for life. Did he act at that table, at the end, as if he knew and was trying to get away with something? Did he ever say anything to anyone that would prove that he knew what he was doing was wrong?

Also, what did the ticket look like? Did it clearly indicate what event he just bought in to? In large font, or was it barely noticeable? I have played several times where I paid, they gave me a ticket, I never looked at it, and just sat at the table and gave it to the dealer when he asked.

Can you go back to talking about how this guy wouldn't be a fish in a $25k event.

Thinking that somebody not playing in a $25k would automatically be a fish in said event is horrible logic.

[Forum Wars]

#optimalstrategy

BTW story of the year...love the continued shunning of accountability casinos are having when THEY fuck up.

Embedded Tweet

https://twitter.com/stealthmunk/status/604816558314000385, but from a marketing perspective: admit the mistake, freeroll the guy, and maybe you get some feel good PR for it.

Any casino is going to ban for life any player who takes advantage of a cashier error.
I've seen it happen repeatedly at many casinos

Can they come after you legally after the fact for the cash+damages? Or all they can do is 86 a person for doing that?

Here's an admittedly VERY shady way the rogue player could've made out extremely well by keeping quiet and finding himself an unscrupulous partner at his table:

The key is to look at how his chips were treated by Aria at different points in time. Before being exposed, all chip movements into and out of his stack "counted" for full value (just think about the three players who got stacked for a specific example). It is at this point that the rogue needs to needs to get rid of his stack *** before being discovered and while the chips still represent full paid-in value *** to make this ruse work.

The biggest obstacle would would be befriending an unethical "partner" at the same table he was playing at to dump ALL his chips to (hey, I didn't say it would be easy, but the unethical partner is being offered a lot of value here). This could be done anytime before being discovered...even at the very beginning of the tourney. Selling his stack to the unethical partner for just half its value could net him, say, $12,500 (while the unethical partner gets $12,500 in "value" for this half-priced, $25K add-on).

If this all transpired before he was found out, Aria would most definitely have just let the tourney go on (while perma-banning Mr. Rogue) --- but they'd probably never have a way of knowing about the scam - ever.

[Shizzmoney]

According to Justin Bonomo:

Looks like Aria is going to comp the players that busted to Mr. $125. Not the full $25k, but some real value (3-5kish).

[Corrigan]

Can you go back to talking about how this guy wouldn't be a fish in a $25k event.

Thinking that somebody not playing in a $25k would automatically be a fish in said event is horrible logic.

No - I am using the fact that he regged for a $125 tourney.