What would your roll have to be- cash version

So I was wondering how people approach cash game sessions? Mainly how many buy ins do you normally take (or limit yourself to with stop loss), and what are your realistic and unrealistic expectations? I will clarify a bit. If you are a completely recreational player and just going out for a long session on Friday night, what are the outcomes you expect? If you sit down at $2/5 how many buy ins do you bring? What is a realistic goal? Are you trying to win 20bb, 100bb, 500bb? What is a realistic goal and then what is the best night anyone has had from a bb perspective?

This only came up because my "buddy" played a cash game on Wednesday after work. $1/2 and in 2.5 hours he profited $1100. 550bb seems silly to me in that type of setting.

Your buddy is likely a fish that ran good. Its not uncommon to see fish at 1/2 with 3k stacks.

So only bad players win big at cash games? Hmmm, I was unaware of that one

Delaware won 40 straight sessions in a row playing limit live


respect the GODFATHER

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Originally Posted by jsearles22

So only bad players win big at cash games? Hmmm, I was unaware of that one

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I never said that, but winning 550 bbs in 2.5 hrs with the fact that 99% of live players suck and it sounds like hes a rec player. Id be willing to wager hes pretty bad.

Do recreational players think in terms of buy ins won? I never have.

If I go to the local casino to play 1-2 no limit with a 200 buy in, I'll probably have 400 on me. I do have an ATM card, though. I think 200 profit is a good night. If there is a bunch of faggots with headphones and hoodies playing 1-2 and hollywooding, I usually just spill my drink all over the table and go play Pai Gow.

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Originally Posted by ToasterOven

Do recreational players think in terms of buy ins won? I never have.

If I go to the local casino to play 1-2 no limit with a 200 buy in, I'll probably have 400 on me. I do have an ATM card, though. I think 200 profit is a good night. If there is a bunch of faggots with headphones and hoodies playing 1-2 and hollywooding, I usually just spill my drink all over the table and go play Pai Gow.

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This was more what i was looking for! So two bullets and winning a buy in is a decent night? I would probably agree with that assesment

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Originally Posted by ToasterOven

Do recreational players think in terms of buy ins won? I never have.

If I go to the local casino to play 1-2 no limit with a 200 buy in, I'll probably have 400 on me. I do have an ATM card, though. I think 200 profit is a good night. If there is a bunch of faggots with headphones and hoodies playing 1-2 and hollywooding, I usually just spill my drink all over the table and go play Pai Gow.

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I look for guys wearing headphones. Thats a huge sign that their a fish.

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Originally Posted by ToasterOven

Do recreational players think in terms of buy ins won? I never have.

If I go to the local casino to play 1-2 no limit with a 200 buy in, I'll probably have 400 on me. I do have an ATM card, though. I think 200 profit is a good night. If there is a bunch of faggots with headphones and hoodies playing 1-2 and hollywooding, I usually just spill my drink all over the table and go play Pai Gow.

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I look for guys wearing headphones. Thats a huge sign that their a fish.

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Hey Shady, remember in the other thread when you said you could not win at cash? Maybe the BS you are slinging ITT is the reason why! Headphone wearers are fish now? And only fish win. Got it

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Originally Posted by ToasterOven

Do recreational players think in terms of buy ins won? I never have.

If I go to the local casino to play 1-2 no limit with a 200 buy in, I'll probably have 400 on me. I do have an ATM card, though. I think 200 profit is a good night. If there is a bunch of faggots with headphones and hoodies playing 1-2 and hollywooding, I usually just spill my drink all over the table and go play Pai Gow.

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I look for guys wearing headphones. Thats a huge sign that their a fish.

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I'm more concerned with having a terrible time. Usually those guys never know when it's on them, then tank on every decision and say "one time" and "sick" 50 times a hand.

For me, it's not about who is a fish. I want to enjoy myself. I like people that act quickly and join in on the conversation.

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Originally Posted by jsearles22

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Originally Posted by ShadyJ

I look for guys wearing headphones. Thats a huge sign that their a fish.

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Hey Shady, remember in the other thread when you said you could not win at cash? Maybe the BS you are slinging ITT is the reason why! Headphone wearers are fish now? And only fish win. Got it

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Poker is a game of information. Anytime I see someone wearing headphones I know they suck or they dont care about money. You miss out on so much information its really bad to do. It started with people seeing pros in tourneys wearing headphones on tv. Theres a big difference between tourneys and cash games. In tourneys you spend alot of time at the same table with the same people so its not as big of a deal.

In cash games players come and go and you can leave whenever you want so you're not stuck playing 12 hours where you're going to have alot of down time. If you see anyone wearing headphones in a cash game I promise you they suck. They dont know it but they do.

In live games your hud is your eyes and ears, and if you dont use them then you suck its pretty simple.

I never said I couldnt beat cash games. I said I would have a higher win rate playing online mtts then cash. The difference between me and everyone else is Im good enough to realize this. If i think I can take 3 years off and play better then guys whove been playing the last 3 years would just be my ego talking. I havent stoved shoving ranges. I havent done equity calcs. I havent studyied the game like I use to. I havent had any coaching. A huge part of my cash game success was from coaching. I didnt understand deep stack betting lines when I grinded mtts. Its a completely different game.

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Originally Posted by ShadyJ

I look for guys wearing headphones. Thats a huge sign that their a fish.

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I'm more concerned with having a terrible time. Usually those guys never know when it's on them, then tank on every decision and say "one time" and "sick" 50 times a hand.

For me, it's not about who is a fish. I want to enjoy myself. I like people that act quickly and join in on the conversation.

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I get it. Its hard sometimes. Live players are clueless they do whatever they see on tv.

My casino switched to an hourly rake for a while and it was awful because ever since high stakes poker these young kids cant bet an even number. They have to grab different color chips. They dont realize they slow the game down by betting 11 instead of 10 so the dealer has to make change for everyone that calls. You cant explain it to them either because they all do it. The speed of the game is the worst part of live play. That said Ive never called the clock on anyone ever but im happy as fuck when other people do it.

Holy shit shut it the fuck down shady. We get it, youre a super elite low limit indian casino grinder. Everyone with headphones sucks. Uh huh.

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Originally Posted by varys

Holy shit shut it the fuck down shady. We get it, youre a super elite low limit indian casino grinder. Everyone with headphones sucks. Uh huh.

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Really faggot? This site is dead and im passing on usefull information to fags like you, so bow down to Shady bitch.

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Holy shit shut it the fuck down shady. We get it, youre a super elite low limit indian casino grinder. Everyone with headphones sucks. Uh huh.

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ShadyJ nothin but love for you


but my God...if you care about rake when you are playing live cash then EAD


when I play live poker, the last thing I'm thinking about is the rake the casino is dragging you cheap fuck

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Holy shit shut it the fuck down shady. We get it, youre a super elite low limit indian casino grinder. Everyone with headphones sucks. Uh huh.

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ShadyJ nothin but love for you


but my God...if you care about rake when you are playing live cash then EAD


when I play live poker, the last thing I'm thinking about is the rake the casino is dragging you cheap fuck

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Timed rake in nl is a big deal. If you play timed rake and sit there while guys hollywood and do dumb shit like bet different amounts it will bother you. You cant multitable the goal is to get as many hands as possible with timed rake. Thankfully they switched back because timed sucks in nl.

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Originally Posted by jsearles22

So I was wondering how people approach cash game sessions? Mainly how many buy ins do you normally take (or limit yourself to with stop loss), and what are your realistic and unrealistic expectations? I will clarify a bit. If you are a completely recreational player and just going out for a long session on Friday night, what are the outcomes you expect? If you sit down at $2/5 how many buy ins do you bring? What is a realistic goal? Are you trying to win 20bb, 100bb, 500bb? What is a realistic goal and then what is the best night anyone has had from a bb perspective?

This only came up because my "buddy" played a cash game on Wednesday after work. $1/2 and in 2.5 hours he profited $1100. 550bb seems silly to me in that type of setting.

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1 night expectations are kind of dumb because 1 night means nothing in the grand scheme of things.

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Originally Posted by Tyde

ShadyJ nothin but love for you


but my God...if you care about rake when you are playing live cash then EAD


when I play live poker, the last thing I'm thinking about is the rake the casino is dragging you cheap fuck

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Timed rake in nl is a big deal. If you play timed rake and sit there while guys hollywood and do dumb shit like bet different amounts it will bother you. You cant multitable the goal is to get as many hands as possible with timed rake. Thankfully they switched back because timed sucks in nl.

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if you are sitting in a live cash game and stressing about the rake, then you are a total fucking fag

notice I am not calling you a fag personally

but if you go to grind live poker...then suck it up

house always gets their cut...quit crying about rake for fucks sake

concentrate on winning so much money the rake doesn't even matter

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Originally Posted by jsearles22

So I was wondering how people approach cash game sessions? Mainly how many buy ins do you normally take (or limit yourself to with stop loss), and what are your realistic and unrealistic expectations? I will clarify a bit. If you are a completely recreational player and just going out for a long session on Friday night, what are the outcomes you expect? If you sit down at $2/5 how many buy ins do you bring? What is a realistic goal? Are you trying to win 20bb, 100bb, 500bb? What is a realistic goal and then what is the best night anyone has had from a bb perspective?

This only came up because my "buddy" played a cash game on Wednesday after work. $1/2 and in 2.5 hours he profited $1100. 550bb seems silly to me in that type of setting.

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1 night expectations are kind of dumb because 1 night means nothing in the grand scheme of things.

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jsearles is kind of dumb in the grand scheme of things

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Originally Posted by jsearles22

Hey Shady, remember in the other thread when you said you could not win at cash? Maybe the BS you are slinging ITT is the reason why! Headphone wearers are fish now? And only fish win. Got it

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Poker is a game of information. Anytime I see someone wearing headphones I know they suck or they dont care about money. You miss out on so much information its really bad to do. It started with people seeing pros in tourneys wearing headphones on tv. Theres a big difference between tourneys and cash games. In tourneys you spend alot of time at the same table with the same people so its not as big of a deal.

If you see anyone wearing headphones in a cash game I promise you they suck. They dont know it but they do.
In live games your hud is your eyes and ears, and if you dont use them then you suck its pretty simple.

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So everyone who wears headphones sucks? Please get in my game. I always wear them. They actually help me concentrate by drowning out the myriad of distractions at the table. I feign disinterest, but am keenly aware of what is going on at the table. What you don't see me doing is watching TV, chatting up other players or surfing the net on my phone. You can actually pick up more tells by observing your opponents' body language, and after a while, you become very adept at lip reading.

With that being said, there is only one true way to evaluate your opponents' skill level, and that is by observing their betting patterns. You do not need to listen to them to get this information. While the other players are watching the flop, I am watching my opponents. Same on the turn and river. 99% of my opponents do not.

If you think I suck, all the better. I've made a ton of money from my opponents underestimating my play. I am not a pro, just a very solid amateur who has played all over California, Nevada, and Arizona for over 20 years. I have never been on the rail or asked another player to stake me. As for what I try to win in a night, I never think in those terms, because every game is different. I go to the table thinking that I will try and play my "A game". As TJ once said, doing so consistently is the hardest thing to do in poker.