Another black eye for DFS: Most recent DraftKings million dollars winner is a female contestant from "The Bachelor", who appears to have colluded with her husband

The following article breaks it down pretty well, so I won't bother writing it up here:

https://www.usbets.com/jade-roper-ba...ngs-collusion/

Cliffs: Jade Roper (now Jade Tolbert) was on the TV show "The Bachelor", and won the DraftKings Millionaire Maker this week. She is married to Tanner Tolbert, who previously appeared on "The Bachelorette".

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Both entered this week's contest on DraftKings, and each entered 150 lineups. Their lineups were configured in a way to where it looked more like 300 unique entries, to where there was such little duplication that it is almost statistically impossible for such uniqueness to occur without colluding together.

It's the DFS equivalent of multi-accounting.

Also, laughably one of Tanner's friends, who claimed to have been on the phone with him all day, accidentally congratulated HIM for winning, instead of Jade. Then he deleted his tweet. Oops!

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It is very likely that Jade won in name only, and that Tanner submitted both lineups in order to give himself double the chance of winning.

This is very embarrassing for DraftKings, where their first sort-of-famous-outside-of-DFS million dollar winner turned out to be a cheater.

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they are fucking morons...

if dipshit #1 didn't broadcast it on twitter congratulating the wrong person and if dipshit #2 (the woman) didn't brag about winning a million dollars on twitter I doubt that anybody would have cared enough to put this shit together...

another instance of social media being complete and utter fucking AIDS...

yes I think they deserve to face some sort of punishment because they are fucking stupid...yes this circumvention of entry limits goes on a lot and nothing is done, but in a short slate (only 4 games) like this it's even a bigger deal...I think it's scummy as shit to do this, but think the more egregious part of this being dumb enough to broadcast it on social media so the stat nerds can dig through your entries and figure out that 'yeah you probably constructed your lineups in a way that you cheated the entry limit laws (yes the entry limits aren't really imposed by the sites, rather by the states who gave the sites their license)'...

for your cliffs druff, you should say that they had mainly the same core of players in the RB/WR/TE/D spots, but the lack of duplication occurred in the QB spots where there was close to 0 overlap...that's where the cheating occurred...

i don't think it would be illegal if they said, "i'll take the saturday qbs and you take the sunday qbs, that gives one of us the best chance of hitting it." it's not illegal to share lineup information.

if it's not "the same person" playing both sets of entires, then i don't see how they did anything illegal by trying to maximize the chances that one of them hits it.

realistically, women know nothing about dfs so i'm sure they are all his entries, but still.

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i don't think it would be illegal if they said, "i'll take the saturday qbs and you take the sunday qbs, that gives one of us the best chance of hitting it." it's not illegal to share lineup information.

if it's not "the same person" playing both sets of entires, then i don't see how they did anything illegal by trying to maximize the chances that one of them hits it.

realistically, women know nothing about dfs so i'm sure they are all his entries, but still.

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no it's not but it's "illegal" to use two accounts to circumvent the 150 entry rule...

this is a pretty blatant case of that given how their QB exposure is split and how their other ownership lines up...

it should be fucking illegal to be stupid enough to brag about it...

is what it is...for as old as DFS is, it's still the wild west...even moreso than poker...tough to enforce any rules regarding lineup sharing, collusion, entry limits, etc...

easiest solve is to make contests 5-10 entry max, but that will never happen because that won't get them to large prize pools and will shrink their revenue base for their upcoming IPO...

my advice, if you're doing this milly maker think of it as a lotto ticket...if you really want to make money stick to small entry field tourneys with 1-3 max entries...you aren't gonna hit life changing money (but face it you aren't in these 100-200K fields), but you can hit for nice chunks of change...

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Originally Posted by blake

i don't think it would be illegal if they said, "i'll take the saturday qbs and you take the sunday qbs, that gives one of us the best chance of hitting it." it's not illegal to share lineup information.

if it's not "the same person" playing both sets of entires, then i don't see how they did anything illegal by trying to maximize the chances that one of them hits it.

realistically, women know nothing about dfs so i'm sure they are all his entries, but still.

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no it's not but it's "illegal" to use two accounts to circumvent the 150 entry rule...

this is a pretty blatant case of that given how their QB exposure is split and how their other ownership lines up...

it should be fucking illegal to be stupid enough to brag about it...

is what it is...for as old as DFS is, it's still the wild west...even moreso than poker...tough to enforce any rules regarding lineup sharing, collusion, entry limits, etc...

easiest solve is to make contests 5-10 entry max, but that will never happen because that won't get them to large prize pools and will shrink their revenue base for their upcoming IPO...

my advice, if you're doing this milly maker think of it as a lotto ticket...if you really want to make money stick to small entry field tourneys with 1-3 max entries...you aren't gonna hit life changing money (but face it you aren't in these 100-200K fields), but you can hit for nice chunks of change...

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sadly i was one holding call away from life changing money.

but let's just say me and a friend want as many chances to hit the million as possible so we discuss our lineups with each other and make sure there's no overlap.

would that be illegal?

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Originally Posted by GambleBotsChafedPenis

no it's not but it's "illegal" to use two accounts to circumvent the 150 entry rule...

this is a pretty blatant case of that given how their QB exposure is split and how their other ownership lines up...

it should be fucking illegal to be stupid enough to brag about it...

is what it is...for as old as DFS is, it's still the wild west...even moreso than poker...tough to enforce any rules regarding lineup sharing, collusion, entry limits, etc...

easiest solve is to make contests 5-10 entry max, but that will never happen because that won't get them to large prize pools and will shrink their revenue base for their upcoming IPO...

my advice, if you're doing this milly maker think of it as a lotto ticket...if you really want to make money stick to small entry field tourneys with 1-3 max entries...you aren't gonna hit life changing money (but face it you aren't in these 100-200K fields), but you can hit for nice chunks of change...

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sadly i was one holding call away from life changing money.

but let's just say me and a friend want as many chances to hit the million as possible so we discuss our lineups with each other and make sure there's no overlap.

would that be illegal?

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I think this whole thing comes down to are you and your friend doing that to circumvent the 150 max lineup rule? like are you gonna chop up the money at the end of it...if so then yes, it's against the law/rules (like i said pretty certain this is actually written into some state laws) since you are trying to circumvent the 150 max entry rule...but let's be really clear here, is this even remotely enforceable? LOL, fuck no...

the thing here is the optics are fucking terrible...you have a husband and wife making lineups that are pretty damn obvious an attempt to get around 150 max lineups...are we to believe a contestant on the bachelorette (or any woman for that matter) is going to slave away and make 150 lineups for wild card weekend? i'd say it's a pretty damn low probability, like zero...im sure there is a woman or two that crushes DFS by doing a ton of data analysis and mass multi entry, but I think DFS skews even more male than poker if that's even possible...so the chances that this woman is one of "the one or two" is lol low...i'd love to see if she actually knew a little about the NFL...

like i said they deserve to be punished because they're fucking stupid and couldn't keep their mouths shut and just had to announce it via social media, because you know, everybody has to know every time you take a shit or bang another ho...

and this whole thing wouldn't be an issue if government didn't get involved in DFS to begin with...this whole max entry thing is due to laws, not the company...you really think DK wants any entry limit caps? they'd love for pros to fire thousands of lineups into these things to juice up the prize pools...their sunday million would be a lot bigger for the entirety of the season...just another example how morons in the government try to fix shit they don't understand and make it worse...

If you find yourself betting the 150 limit you have a gambling problem.

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If you find yourself betting the 150 limit you have a gambling problem.

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in the milly maker it's $3,000...literal drop in the ol' bucket to what the top guys drop every week in the NFL...

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Originally Posted by blake

i don't think it would be illegal if they said, "i'll take the saturday qbs and you take the sunday qbs, that gives one of us the best chance of hitting it." it's not illegal to share lineup information.

if it's not "the same person" playing both sets of entires, then i don't see how they did anything illegal by trying to maximize the chances that one of them hits it.

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Coordinating lineups like this is expressly against the rules, as shown below.

Michael McCann is always a fun read, and is definitely worth checking out whenever any legal issues pop up in sports. Potentially the last relevant writer at Sports Illustrated.

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Here's the most relevant parts of the article, but click that shit and give the guy the page views anyway.

https://t.co/1aV807Uo2E

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If the two had, in fact, coordinated their combined 300 entries, they would have run afoul of DraftKings’s community guidelines. Those guidelines prohibit so-called “team-building complementary lineups” when two or more people “serve to work together AND execute a strategy that may create any unfair advantage over individual play.

...it would have been okay if Roper Tolbert and her husband had together purchased 150 entries and coordinated their 150 total entries.
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However, it would not have been okay if Roper Tolbert and Tolbert had executed a strategy to double their odds for winning by getting 300 chances instead of 150. That would have constituted textbook collusion: two competing players conspiring to game the system and cheat other players.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-85HIs_wfMk

good watch if youre taking a 30 minute shit...

Cliffs:
*DK is a data company...
*Since it is a data company it can pull the records of players who have entered the same 50/50 or double up contests to see if they have the same lineup (you usually enter the "optimal" lineup based on projections in 50/50 contests because you only have to beat half the field...then you tweak for tournaments where you are incentivized to take chances on guys who might be lower owned, have a potential at a great game, but who carry a lot of variance in their results) and then pull the entries for the same players in single entry and limited entry (3 entry max) tournaments and see if their lineups are completely different...basically it means that the players would most likely be working together to enter optimal lineups in 50/50 contests and then tweaking their lineups so they don't have the same lineup in tournaments where it would be stupid to...
*given there are a lot of data points you could conclude at some sort of statistically significant rate the different "corporations" (for lack of a better term)…
*those "corporations" are treated as one entity...so if player A,B,C are a "corporation" once player A enters a single entry contest, then players B and C cannot...

im sure DK has enough data nerds there that this could be easily determined...then the questions become, 'is this enforceable' and 'is there a way to cheat this'?

at the end of the day im guessing DK doesn't want to go down this road...

It’s another black eye for legalized gambling, Druff.

How’s light regulation running these days? Regulation is just a front for generating government revenue.

Think of gaming commissions as trade associations and you will impress your civics teacher after recess

Btw, Gaming Commission in Cali is crackin heads over the Postle case?

Right.

The amazing thing here is that two high profile people thought they'd get away with this if they won. If Joe DFS Guy and his wife collude in the same fashion, nobody probably catches it, unless the dude is a well known DFS player.

But a married Bachelor/Bachelorette couple? GTFO. Obviously that's getting all kinds of attention if either of them wins, especially her.

WSOP bracelet winner (and Main Event final tablist) Max Steinberg put out a stupid take that scandals like this (and the 2015 insider picking) gave a "black eye" to the DFS industry and thwarted its "massive growth".

He later deleted the tweet.

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It’s another black eye for legalized gambling, Druff.

How’s light regulation running these days? Regulation is just a front for generating government revenue.

Think of gaming commissions as trade associations and you will impress your civics teacher after recess

Btw, Gaming Commission in Cali is crackin heads over the Postle case?

Right.

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Oh, San... I know you like to razz me about the light regulation thing, but you're getting it wrong.

Light regulation also needs to be effective regulation. If the regulation is nonexistent, weak, or bumbling, then it's not doing anyone any good. While the Nevada Gaming Commission is clueless when it comes to online poker, they're pretty effective when it comes to regulating brick-and-mortar casinos in Nevada. The NGC isn't just a "trade commission". The New Jersey Division of Gaming Enforcement is also fairly effective.

California is schizophrenic because it's a state which supposedly doesn't allow gambling, yet it's full of legal cardrooms and Indian casinos. These are all poorly regulated because the California Gambling Control Commission has designed itself to mostly be about protecting the interests of the state, rather than of the players. It's just a bad gaming commission. It's not an argument against regulation.

DFS also needs some real regulation. There's no question. Without regulation, we see what happens. You can't allow for-profit corporations to fairly interpret what is and isn't allowed when their decision process is solely driven by profit motives.

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Originally Posted by DonaldTrumpsHairPiece

If you find yourself betting the 150 limit you have a gambling problem.

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in the milly maker it's $3,000...literal drop in the ol' bucket to what the top guys drop every week in the NFL...

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For sure, was more referring to the common man. I wouldn't think these to D list celebs had $3k a week to set on fire. EACH

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no it's not but it's "illegal" to use two accounts to circumvent the 150 entry rule...

this is a pretty blatant case of that given how their QB exposure is split and how their other ownership lines up...

it should be fucking illegal to be stupid enough to brag about it...

is what it is...for as old as DFS is, it's still the wild west...even moreso than poker...tough to enforce any rules regarding lineup sharing, collusion, entry limits, etc...

easiest solve is to make contests 5-10 entry max, but that will never happen because that won't get them to large prize pools and will shrink their revenue base for their upcoming IPO...

my advice, if you're doing this milly maker think of it as a lotto ticket...if you really want to make money stick to small entry field tourneys with 1-3 max entries...you aren't gonna hit life changing money (but face it you aren't in these 100-200K fields), but you can hit for nice chunks of change...

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sadly i was one holding call away from life changing money.

but let's just say me and a friend want as many chances to hit the million as possible so we discuss our lineups with each other and make sure there's no overlap.

would that be illegal?

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If you are splitting the money post win, then yes it would be illegal ...

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Originally Posted by Sanlmar

It’s another black eye for legalized gambling, Druff.

How’s light regulation running these days? Regulation is just a front for generating government revenue.

Think of gaming commissions as trade associations and you will impress your civics teacher after recess

Btw, Gaming Commission in Cali is crackin heads over the Postle case?

Right.

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Oh, San... I know you like to razz me about the light regulation thing, but you're getting it wrong.

Light regulation also needs to be effective regulation. If the regulation is nonexistent, weak, or bumbling, then it's not doing anyone any good. While the Nevada Gaming Commission is clueless when it comes to online poker, they're pretty effective when it comes to regulating brick-and-mortar casinos in Nevada. The NGC isn't just a "trade commission". The New Jersey Division of Gaming Enforcement is also fairly effective.

California is schizophrenic because it's a state which supposedly doesn't allow gambling, yet it's full of legal cardrooms and Indian casinos. These are all poorly regulated because the California Gambling Control Commission has designed itself to mostly be about protecting the interests of the state, rather than of the players. It's just a bad gaming commission. It's not an argument against regulation.

DFS also needs some real regulation. There's no question. Without regulation, we see what happens. You can't allow for-profit corporations to fairly interpret what is and isn't allowed when their decision process is solely driven by profit motives.

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The Nevada Gaming Commission allowed the biggest cheaters in poker history into their "regulated" industry ... lol. The "they know nothing about online poker" excuse is such a fucking joke lol. Google for 2 minutes would have solved this, regulation does literally nothing in any industry and it has long been proven ... SEC is another lol example of what regulation does = nothing

Yes, Daily Fantasy Sports is a complete and total scam.

But we have known that for years.

Does anyone miss their bullshit commercials?

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She has hired sports attorney Alan Milstein.

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According to this Cardplayer article, the case likely will not make it to litigation.

The reasons:

1) All players agree to binding arbitration for any disputes prior to being able to play.

2) Draft Kings is going public, and pending litigation could delay the entire process, and force them to have to share otherwise confidential records in discovery, which could screw up their entire plan to go public if unflattering depictions of business practices are seen.

3) Draft Kings has a rule in place where any player may be required to submit an affidavit confirming they have followed all terms of service. If forced to do this, it could cause Jade Tolbert to commit perjury.

Bump.

DraftKings Strips Former ‘Bachelor’ Contestant of $1 Million Winning Prize Amid Cheating Allegations

https://www.actionnetwork.com/news/b...prize-cheating

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Almost three weeks after the biggest daily fantasy contest controversy yet, DraftKings ruled Saturday that two former “Bachelor” contestants cheated to win the $1 million prize.

“DraftKings has decided to update the standings for several contests,” the statement said. “All customers affected by the updated standings will be notified directly. It is our general policy not to comment further on such matters.”

A glance at the standings from the $1 million daily fantasy contest for the NFL Wild Card weekend now omits the winning score of Jade Roper Tolbert, the Bachelor contestant who won that week. An unidentified DraftKings player under the name spclk36 is now listed as the $1 million winner.

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