Fully story here: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...-100k-1718029/
Fully story here: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...-100k-1718029/
Looks like Doug's video broke down the numbers, while JNadez just has hearsay.
Doug came out with that video the next day with facts and figures and is very passionate about it. Someone who scammed someone doesn't do that. I believe Doug.
Watched both videos. My conclusion is JNandez is full of shit and Doug is right
JNandez responded by challenging Doug to a $50k boxing match...lmao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjQwPTWdMpE
What is the over under on how many back and forth videos these guys will make?
Over 4.5 -155 would be taken down at bovada in a half an hour.
I think this whole thing is a ruse to get clicks on their websites...and i'd bet a milly that "rick" is behind this whole fucking thing...
Doug went on Joeys podcast to respond to the new JNandez video
This is just a huge misundertanding. Doug sounds like he is being honest to me, J is clearly in his feelings and I was on his side until he challenged him to a fight. That is very immature imo.
A white man under paying a mexican.........why am I not shocked.........
Doug is an annoying troll but he is right here and Nandez sounds like a fool. He broke a bunch of terms they could have shit canned his contract earlier but instead he found the way out himself to go do his own thing when he didn't like the terms he was getting. He got his name out there and was trying to gain his new following of hardcore PLO players on to a new project but good luck with that.
I skipped through the Ingram podcast with Polk and the most interesting part to me was something many of us wanted to know about which is the cost of that More Rake Is Better billboard.
Doug said it was 5k for the spot for the month of June and about $6200 total to have the billboard done. Since nobody purchased the space afterwards the billboard stays up until someone else comes along so it stayed up for the entire WSOP. That is cheaper then I thought it would be.
I didn't get involved in this because I was on a trip in Alaska the week all this broke.
Anyway, I just caught up tonight.
Very convoluted and confusing story on both ends, but I agree with the consensus here: It appears Doug is in the right.
Also, JNandez apparently scammed some poor old lady who made scarves for him (for a relatively small amount of money), which is pretty much just LOL.
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...ng-me-1717795/
Oy, vey.
If you're ripping off little old ladies who make scarves for you, then you're probably the one in the wrong in a business dispute with Doug Polk.
Basically JNandez had "content creator's remorse", where he felt resentful that he was doing all the work and only getting about 25-30% of the revenue.
The problem with that logic is the fact that Polk (and to a lesser degree, Joey Ingram) ALREADY did the work building up their brands, thus getting JNandez's videos the credibility and exposure they needed.
Influence and promotion are huge when it comes to content of any kind.
Anyway, JNandez used an out-clause in the contract and left in the middle of the whole deal they had, which, while legal, pretty much left Upswing in the lurch. Somehow JNandez thinks he's owed $90k, but Polk did a pretty convincing job of showing that he was paid in full.
JNandez still made over $200k for not very much work, so I don't see why he's so bitter, especially since he was the one to terminate the contract.
Some criticized Doug for his response video, but I disagree. Responding to serious allegations about your business ethics is always important, especially if you have nothing to hide.
The only part where I found fault with Doug was the mostly-unrelated fact that he cybersquatted RunItOncePoker.com.
Doug's defense was that he wasn't attempting to mislead anyone, and it was just a site to troll Galfond (a competitor), but that's not a good excuse. Cybersquatting is always a douche move, especially against a competitor. I see Galfond has the domain back now, but Polk shouldn't have squatted that in the first place.
BUMP
This has come back to life, five years later. Perhaps Doug wasn't in the right as much as I thought.
Charlie Carrel is claiming this morning that JNanez sued Doug and won $150k, and that Doug kept the entire thing quiet. Doug isn't denying that he paid Jnandez, but is saying that Charlie's story isn't correct.
https://twitter.com/Charlie_Carrel/s...63688720576515
https://twitter.com/Charlie_Carrel/s...65739143839754
https://twitter.com/Charlie_Carrel/s...68760401674244
https://twitter.com/DougPolkVids/sta...70289011556352
https://twitter.com/DougPolkVids/sta...68641212129281
Charlie and Doug have a years-long history of bashing each other on Twitter, so Charlie is clearly posting this to make Doug look bad. But is he correct? Hard to tell. Seems he's at least somewhat correct.
Serious business!
https://twitter.com/JNandezPoker/sta...90671832125441
https://twitter.com/JNandezPoker/sta...90674449371136
https://twitter.com/JNandezPoker/sta...90677347635201
https://twitter.com/JNandezPoker/sta...90679830675457
https://twitter.com/JNandezPoker/sta...90682376617984
https://twitter.com/JNandezPoker/sta...90684725440513
https://twitter.com/JNandezPoker/sta...90687300722690
https://twitter.com/JNandezPoker/sta...90689783779328
https://twitter.com/JNandezPoker/sta...90692258394114
https://twitter.com/MazeOrBowie/stat...96521229479937
https://twitter.com/JNandezPoker/sta...11519766962179
JNandez came with a 25-part tweet to continue explaining. Dude needs a blog. But here it is.
https://twitter.com/JNandezPoker/sta...13295554539521
https://twitter.com/JNandezPoker/sta...13300617150470
https://twitter.com/JNandezPoker/sta...13308427112448
https://twitter.com/JNandezPoker/sta...13312797409280
https://twitter.com/JNandezPoker/sta...14000764092416
https://twitter.com/JNandezPoker/sta...14004660436992
https://twitter.com/JNandezPoker/sta...14009182068736
https://twitter.com/JNandezPoker/sta...14012428283906
https://twitter.com/JNandezPoker/sta...14017658769408
https://twitter.com/JNandezPoker/sta...14022410641410
https://twitter.com/JNandezPoker/sta...14027460677632
https://twitter.com/JNandezPoker/sta...14032313487361
https://twitter.com/JNandezPoker/sta...14037090787331
And then a 25-tweet Part 3 lol
https://twitter.com/JNandezPoker/sta...33725552410632
https://twitter.com/JNandezPoker/sta...33728375144448
https://twitter.com/JNandezPoker/sta...33730963062784
https://twitter.com/JNandezPoker/sta...33733454462977
https://twitter.com/JNandezPoker/sta...33735761321984
https://twitter.com/JNandezPoker/sta...33738240159744
https://twitter.com/JNandezPoker/sta...33740727369728
https://twitter.com/JNandezPoker/sta...33743151710208
https://twitter.com/JNandezPoker/sta...33746012196868
https://twitter.com/JNandezPoker/sta...33748524580865
https://twitter.com/JNandezPoker/sta...33750995030016
https://twitter.com/JNandezPoker/sta...33753633243139
https://twitter.com/JNandezPoker/sta...33756103704578
https://twitter.com/JNandezPoker/sta...67281702891520
https://twitter.com/JNandezPoker/sta...04151052550148
https://twitter.com/DougPolkVids/sta...87750375997440
https://twitter.com/DougPolkVids/sta...89928343851010
https://twitter.com/berkey11/status/1651392036686405633
https://twitter.com/uncrncap/status/1651396520044797967
By the way, if you're reading this thread and the tweets aren't displaying, give it a bit. Twitter is slow with embedding tweets (their issue, not PFA's), and since there's so many here, it lags a bit.