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Agenda for today:

- WSOP Week 8 News:
-- WSOP officially announced to be moving to Bally's/Paris in 2022
-- German wins WSOP Main, 49-year-old amateur finishes 2nd
-- Josh Arieh edges Phil Hellmuth for 2021 WSOP Player of the Year
-- Negreanu blows 3-handed chip lead to finish off 1-for-26 in final tables at Rio

- Zach Gensler plays 124 straight hour poker session at Resorts World -- sort of

- Eli Elezra elected to Poker HOF, but what about the 2019 controversies regarding him owing lots of people money?

- Could "El Sueno", a planned large, Spanish-speaking casino resort in Beatty, Nevada actually be successful?

- Poker player scores $900k win at Caesars on $30k 2021 MVP bet for Shohei Ohtani

- Druff gives advice how to reach local phone reps at Las Vegas Caesars properties

-- Coronavirus news:
- COVID vaccine boosters available to everyone -- should you get it? Will this be every 6 months for the rest of time?

- Please suggest other good topics if you don't see them here!

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You're welcome. Fast for the second time in three weeks.

Really enjoyed the segment about your 24 hours with the whale. You must have been pounding him. Can't believe he stayed there that long.

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Heard the segment on COVID, thought I'd take you up on your call to challenge your conclusions Druff:

- Can you provide news articles or speech transcriptions where Biden or Fauci or the CDC unequivocally said that booster shots would not be needed? (I googled, and could not find any in my quick search)

- Encouraging people to make up their own minds on medical matters probably isn't a great idea; the cumulative knowledge of thousands of experts in the field are going to come to orders of magnitude better conclusions

- Have you considered that a contributing factor for the lack of COVID outbreaks in schools is that a huge majority of schools _do_ require social distancing and mask-wearing? Even though only 16 states have mask mandates, a huge majority of school districts require masks and social distancing, even in Arizona and Florida, the schools are defying the government and mandating masks

- You state the studies on masks are "flawed" -- I've linked to a whole lot of studies from all over the world in this thread: https://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sh...ainst-COVID-19 which of the studies are flawed, and why?

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Originally Posted by khalwat

Heard the segment on COVID, thought I'd take you up on your call to challenge your conclusions Druff:

- Can you provide news articles or speech transcriptions where Biden or Fauci or the CDC unequivocally said that booster shots would not be needed? (I googled, and could not find any in my quick search)

- Encouraging people to make up their own minds on medical matters probably isn't a great idea; the cumulative knowledge of thousands of experts in the field are going to come to orders of magnitude better conclusions

- Have you considered that a contributing factor for the lack of COVID outbreaks in schools is that a huge majority of schools _do_ require social distancing and mask-wearing? Even though only 16 states have mask mandates, a huge majority of school districts require masks and social distancing, even in Arizona and Florida, the schools are defying the government and mandating masks

- You state the studies on masks are "flawed" -- I've linked to a whole lot of studies from all over the world in this thread: https://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sh...ainst-COVID-19 which of the studies are flawed, and why?

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oh fuck off already faggot the vaccine doesn't work and they claimed 95%

eat shit dweeb

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Originally Posted by khalwat

Heard the segment on COVID, thought I'd take you up on your call to challenge your conclusions Druff:

- Can you provide news articles or speech transcriptions where Biden or Fauci or the CDC unequivocally said that booster shots would not be needed? (I googled, and could not find any in my quick search)

- Encouraging people to make up their own minds on medical matters probably isn't a great idea; the cumulative knowledge of thousands of experts in the field are going to come to orders of magnitude better conclusions

- Have you considered that a contributing factor for the lack of COVID outbreaks in schools is that a huge majority of schools _do_ require social distancing and mask-wearing? Even though only 16 states have mask mandates, a huge majority of school districts require masks and social distancing, even in Arizona and Florida, the schools are defying the government and mandating masks

- You state the studies on masks are "flawed" -- I've linked to a whole lot of studies from all over the world in this thread: https://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sh...ainst-COVID-19 which of the studies are flawed, and why?

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masks don't work either you deranged freak but after seeing you on the stream I understand why you want to wear one so bad

get over it faggot you're on the wrong side of science

More hysteria and little science. If kids were at notable risk of covid every parent on the planet would have their precious locked up at home wearing full PPE.

The proof is in the science. Children are at rare and uncommon risk of severe reaction to covid. This has been the CDCs comments since the beginning of the pandemic.

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Originally Posted by khalwat

Heard the segment on COVID, thought I'd take you up on your call to challenge your conclusions Druff:

- Can you provide news articles or speech transcriptions where Biden or Fauci or the CDC unequivocally said that booster shots would not be needed? (I googled, and could not find any in my quick search)

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At the time the Pfizer CEO announced the need for boosters, the CDC clearly stated that they have no reason to believe booster would be needed. They didn't go as far as saying the Pfizer CEO was wrong, but rather that they didn't see enough convincing evidence to believe it was needed. Note that this wasn't framed as, "It's possible but we don't have enough to verify it yet". It was definitely framed as, "We don't know what they're talking about, we don't see a need for this from what we know."

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Originally Posted by khalwat

- Encouraging people to make up their own minds on medical matters probably isn't a great idea; the cumulative knowledge of thousands of experts in the field are going to come to orders of magnitude better conclusions

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Only if the "experts" are:

1) Not of overwhelmingly one political background, and commenting on an issue with political ramifications
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2) Unwilling to engage in "noble lies" in order to convince the public to do the right thing

Both of the above have been problems during COVID. At the time the need for a booster was announced by the Pfizer CEO, much of the country wasn't vaccinated yet. There was a fear on the part of the Biden Administraiton and the CDC that admitting the need for a booster within 6 months would discourage vaccination in the first place.

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Originally Posted by khalwat

- Have you considered that a contributing factor for the lack of COVID outbreaks in schools is that a huge majority of schools _do_ require social distancing and mask-wearing? Even though only 16 states have mask mandates, a huge majority of school districts require masks and social distancing, even in Arizona and Florida, the schools are defying the government and mandating masks

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If mandatory masking would overwhelmingly prevent COVID to where it almost doesn't exist, then we would see almost no COVID cases in workplaces with mask requirements. Yet we still see tons of COVID in workplaces, and we saw even more prior to the vaccine existing. There is no example of a massive amount of unvaccinated people together for hours each day without a COVID problem, aside from schools. Clearly schoolkids just aren't transmitting at the same rate.

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Originally Posted by khalwat

- You state the studies on masks are "flawed" -- I've linked to a whole lot of studies from all over the world in this thread: https://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sh...ainst-COVID-19 which of the studies are flawed, and why?

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In that same thread, I posted this, regarding the Bangladesh study, which is often cited to back mask mandates: https://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sh...l=1#post996448

In a different thread, I posted this paper from the University of Minnesota (which obviously leans left, and the authors identify as pro-masking), which bashes all of the most popular pro-mask studies, and states that they are all flawed and too easily accepted due to politics: https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-pers...y-and-why-most

Here are some excerpts from it:

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Mask wearing has been an extremely polarizing and politicized topic across the world, but especially in the United States. Endless unrealistic expectations, along with gross misinterpretation and overconfidence, have been evident, including claims that masks alone would "flatten the curve," "end the pandemic," or "reduce the clinical severity of COVID-19." Now, one and a half years into the pandemic, if masks were as effective as many believed them to be, we should have seen significant impacts. But that has not been the case anywhere on the globe.
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It is time to lower the unrealistic expectations about masks—or any single intervention. Public health messaging needs to be focused on many interventions, starting with those at the top of the hierarchy. Masks offer very limited source control and personal protection and should not be considered a replacement for vaccination or equivalent to interventions such as limiting time and the number of people in a shared space or improving air movement.
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We are well past the emergency phase of this pandemic, and it should be well-known by now that wearing cloth face coverings or surgical masks, universal or otherwise, has a very minor role to play in preventing person-to-person transmission. It is time to stop overselling their efficacy and unrealistic expectations about their ability to end the pandemic.

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There was a lot more said about it in April which was even more negative.

But even on July 8, with Delta raging throughout the US, and with many (mostly elderly) Americans approaching 6 months from their second shot, this statement was released by the CDC/FDA:

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Joint CDC and FDA Statement on Vaccine Boosters

The United States is fortunate to have highly effective vaccines that are widely available for those aged 12 and up. People who are fully vaccinated are protected from severe disease and death, including from the variants currently circulating in the country such as Delta. People who are not vaccinated remain at risk. Virtually all COVID-19 hospitalizations and deaths are among those who are unvaccinated. We encourage Americans who have not yet been vaccinated to get vaccinated as soon as possible to protect themselves and their community.

Americans who have been fully vaccinated do not need a booster shot at this time. FDA, CDC, and NIH are engaged in a science-based, rigorous process to consider whether or when a booster might be necessary. This process takes into account laboratory data, clinical trial data, and cohort data – which can include data from specific pharmaceutical companies, but does not rely on those data exclusively. We continue to review any new data as it becomes available and will keep the public informed. We are prepared for booster doses if and when the science demonstrates that they are needed.

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https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2021/...-boosters.html

This was despite the fact that Pfizer determined as early as February that a booster was going to be necessary, and Israel started giving the booster in the same month as the FDA/CDC was denying Americans needed one.

Note the language above. They didn't say that the need for the booster was possible but not yet proven. They clearly said that fully vaxxed Americans DO NOT need a booster, which was a flat out lie. The final sentence said they were "prepared for booster doses if and when" that conclusion changed.

So we can believe one of two things here:

1) Pfizer, Moderna, and Israel all knew we needed boosters, but somehow top US scientists didn't.
-or-
2) They were lying to us because they wanted to encourage more first-time vaccination.


I'll let you guess which one is more likely.

Stock market cratered today over the new variant ….. at least that’s the narrative. Retailers all tanked.

Wife wanted to go shopping today. I said, “sure”. It was an absolute mob scene. (Natick/Framingham & Natick Mall for the Boston crew) Route 9 was a parking lot. Every parking lot was full. Just leaving a parking lot was like leaving Dodger stadium. Just stupid.

In the Mall it was elbow to elbow. People were queued up to enter stores. Long lines. The Lego Store was ridiculous - how long do these people wait to get in? It was interesting to see which stores had the longest lines to enter. Never saw anything like it.

I’ve waited during Covid to get into an Apple store but that’s pretty much it. This was insanity.

We bought some stuff and I waited an hour in Macy’s to get to the register. Wife went shopping while I rather happily stood and traded stock on my phone instead of shadowing her in the women’s section.

My hawt take? People have plenty of money and no fear of virus.

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At the time the Pfizer CEO announced the need for boosters, the CDC clearly stated that they have no reason to believe booster would be needed. They didn't go as far as saying the Pfizer CEO was wrong, but rather that they didn't see enough convincing evidence to believe it was needed. Note that this wasn't framed as, "It's possible but we don't have enough to verify it yet". It was definitely framed as, "We don't know what they're talking about, we don't see a need for this from what we know."

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Please provide links to the CDC site stating this, or articles written about the CDC saying this.

Receipts, not recollections.

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Only if the "experts" are:

1) Not of overwhelmingly one political background, and commenting on an issue with political ramifications
-and-
2) Unwilling to engage in "noble lies" in order to convince the public to do the right thing

Both of the above have been problems during COVID. At the time the need for a booster was announced by the Pfizer CEO, much of the country wasn't vaccinated yet. There was a fear on the part of the Biden Administraiton and the CDC that admitting the need for a booster within 6 months would discourage vaccination in the first place.

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Once again, the experts we are discussing are world-wide, the vast majority of which have no "political affiliation" or GAF about either the right or the left in the USA.

The idea that scientists in Singapore that are recommending masking have anything to do with any political party in the USA is patently silly.

As for the "noble lies", please provide receipts.

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If mandatory masking would overwhelmingly prevent COVID to where it almost doesn't exist, then we would see almost no COVID cases in workplaces with mask requirements. Yet we still see tons of COVID in workplaces, and we saw even more prior to the vaccine existing. There is no example of a massive amount of unvaccinated people together for hours each day without a COVID problem, aside from schools. Clearly schoolkids just aren't transmitting at the same rate.

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It's a far cry between "overwhelmingly prevent" (which I have not said) and "perfunctory" (which you have said on many occasions).

What I have said is that masks are not merely perfunctory, and people around the world who are wearing them are doing the right thing.

And the data backs that up.

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In that same thread, I posted this, regarding the Bangladesh study, which is often cited to back mask mandates:

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To the best of our current understanding, masks are the most effective layer of protection indoors:

https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj-2021-068302

Anyone who believes that masks are "perfunctory" need only look at this meta-study of 72 studies to see that masks are effective. All of the studies are cited in the text, so you're free to review them yourself.

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Mask wearing and covid-19 incidence—Six studies with a total of 2627 people with covid-19 and 389 228 participants were included in the analysis examining the effect of mask wearing on incidence of covid-19 (table 1). Overall pooled analysis showed a 53% reduction in covid-19 incidence (0.47, 0.29 to 0.75), although heterogeneity between studies was substantial (I2=84%) (fig 5)

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https://www.bmj.com/content/bmj/375/.../F6.medium.jpg

Additionally, while it is true that there are varying degrees of effectiveness of masks based on their composition, it is not true that N95 masks are the only type worth wearing:

https://medium.com/@asit.mishra76pi/...s-b2f66072f9f3

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Similarly, wearing a mask does not guarantee you absolute protection from Covid-19. That does not mean you should skip the protection a mask can afford you. The efficiency of your mask will depend on a number of things including how the mask is made. In this article we shall discuss a little bit about what makes a good mask.

It does not have to be a fancy one — N95 — any kind of face covering helps out a little.

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https://twitter.com/jljcolorado/stat...005452292?s=20

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

There was a lot more said about it in April which was even more negative.

But even on July 8, with Delta raging throughout the US, and with many (mostly elderly) Americans approaching 6 months from their second shot, this statement was released by the CDC/FDA:

Quote:

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Joint CDC and FDA Statement on Vaccine Boosters

The United States is fortunate to have highly effective vaccines that are widely available for those aged 12 and up. People who are fully vaccinated are protected from severe disease and death, including from the variants currently circulating in the country such as Delta. People who are not vaccinated remain at risk. Virtually all COVID-19 hospitalizations and deaths are among those who are unvaccinated. We encourage Americans who have not yet been vaccinated to get vaccinated as soon as possible to protect themselves and their community.

Americans who have been fully vaccinated do not need a booster shot at this time. FDA, CDC, and NIH are engaged in a science-based, rigorous process to consider whether or when a booster might be necessary. This process takes into account laboratory data, clinical trial data, and cohort data – which can include data from specific pharmaceutical companies, but does not rely on those data exclusively. We continue to review any new data as it becomes available and will keep the public informed. We are prepared for booster doses if and when the science demonstrates that they are needed.

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https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2021/...-boosters.html

This was despite the fact that Pfizer determined as early as February that a booster was going to be necessary, and Israel started giving the booster in the same month as the FDA/CDC was denying Americans needed one.

Note the language above. They didn't say that the need for the booster was possible but not yet proven. They clearly said that fully vaxxed Americans DO NOT need a booster, which was a flat out lie. The final sentence said they were "prepared for booster doses if and when" that conclusion changed.

So we can believe one of two things here:

1) Pfizer, Moderna, and Israel all knew we needed boosters, but somehow top US scientists didn't.
-or-
2) They were lying to us because they wanted to encourage more first-time vaccination.


I'll let you guess which one is more likely.

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Americans who have been fully vaccinated do not need a booster shot at this time.

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^ that's actually a very accurate statement. As of July 8, 2021 (the date of that press release), fully vaccinated individuals did not need a booster shot.

Also note at this time.

This is not them stating anything incorrectly, and it's nothing like how you characterized it: as a cynical "noble" lie to con the public. They did not unequivocally state that you would not need a booster shot.

That was your recollection, but not what was actually stated.