http://www.wsop.com/2015/2015-wsop-schedule.pdf
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http://www.wsop.com/2015/2015-wsop-schedule.pdf
Me likee changes.
Lots of innovative changes here. They're trying a lot of different new things. I'll give them credit for that.
Expect a lot of logistical fail, especially at the new events.
Highlights:
- There are a record number of events (68)
- The massive Colussus event -- just a $565 buyin -- has 4 starting flights over two days, from May 29-30. You may enter all 4 starting flights if you bust. On the downside, they are charging a staggering 13% juice ($65) for this event. Yuck. By comparison, the juice is 10% on the $1000 events.
- Hyper Holdem takes place on May 31. They will finish in 2 days, as the levels are 20 minutes. I am against this. It ends up awarding a bracelet to a crapshoot type event, which cheapens the meaning of a bracelet.
- Limit Holdem now has 3 events. They re-added the $2500 Six-Max Event, taking place on June 7. The other two LHE events are the $1500 event on June 2 and the $10,000 championship on June 24. I have final tabled both of these (one in '05, the other in '13). I have never cashed the 6-Max, despite having the chip lead during mid Day 1 at least 3 different years of it.
- Millionaire Maker (June 5-6) and Monster Stack (June 12-13) are back
- There is now a "Super Seniors" event, which is what the regular Seniors event should be. The Super Seniors is 65+, while regular Seniors is just 50+. Both take place within 2 days of each other, June 19 and 21.
- "Extended Play" NLHE takes place on June 20. Levels are 90 minutes instead of 60. Basically it's the opposite of the Hyper event. Buyin is $1500.
- A weird event has been added called "DraftKings 50/50 NL Holdem", which has nothing to do with DraftKings except they are paying a lot of money to get their name on it. The twist here is that 50% of the field gets paid (!!). This one goes on June 27.
- An online event takes place on July 2nd, and a bracelet will be awarded. You play this on wsop.com. No structure provided yet.
- The "Lucky 7s" event begins on July 3rd. It costs $777, and the WSOP is charging 11% juice. Levels are 40 minutes on Day 1, and 60 on Day 2.
- On July 1, there is a "Bounty NL Holdem" event, where you get $500 per player you knock out. Buyin is $1500, so obviously it makes sense to call off very light against a shorter stack preflop.
Opinions?
I like some of these ideas, but not too thrilled about the increased rake for the sub-$1000 events, nor do I like a Hyper bracelet being awarded. I also think the $777 event is just a poor man's version of the Colossus event, and will be anticlimactic. The online event is also lame. There are enough online tournaments out there. Bracelets should be for live tournaments only.
I do like some of the innovative new events such as the Bounty, the mammoth sized Colossus, the extended play, and even the 50/50 event. That stuff all seems fun.
I will be posting my own personal schedule shortly. I will be playing more events than I did last year.
How are they going to control cheating in the online event with so many players playing from the same hotel?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
The online event makes no sense
Marketing Gimmick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shizzmoney
It is worth noting that both Senior events take place during the EDC weekend.
I should add, this will be my first wsop and I am only going out to fire four bullets at The Colossus, so good job wsop!
My 2 favorite events, the $1500 limit and pot limit hold'em are on back to back days. Sucks for me. At least they brought back the 6 handed limit event.
Event #55 = $1500 50% of the field get paid event for the WSOP is one big waste of time.
Get rid of Pot Limit Holdem already! Hardly anyone is playing that shit anymore and it's spread like nowhere else except at WSOP.
No offense Jayjami didn't even see that was one of your favorite events :)
There are a few things that I am really happy about.
1. That they are running the day 1's of the Colossus on Friday and Saturday and then combining everyone on Sunday. That helps so much with travel arrangements.
I can now book a flight home on Monday and if by some miracle I am still in the tournament it will be well worth skipping the flight home.
2. They put a $1500 O8 tournament on Thursday before the Colossus, that should be a great tournament with quite a few people looking for early action and being big fish in that tournament.
3. I can pair the Extended Play and the $1500 PLO8 tournament as a second trip if I want.
4. They added a new level in the middle and at the end of the tournament.
Things I don't like
1. In some of the limit events they are running off the 25 Chips before it makes sense so you end up with 200/300 and 300/500 level blinds which is just goofy.
2. They should have left Sunday of the Colossus to only the 2-7 Trip Draw tournament. They could still be looking close to 4,000 players on Sunday.
3. The 50/50 tournament, is that still going to reward a bracelet? It shouldn't, also that kind of tournament is really only good for the house and not the players.
No offense taken. I never played in the pot limit event until last year. I cashed and would have gone really deep if my JJ hadn't been run down by TT. I like it because literally 80% of the field has no idea what they are doing. OMG, all these NL kids with their 2.3x raises before the flop. Worst thing you can do in pot limit.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker
Before the TV explosion, pot limit was often the biggest game in many card rooms in the West. I prepared by playing about 50 computer simulated tournaments. That, with my past cash game experience, adequately prepared me for the event.
Same as always? Being in the same hotel/city is not much different from being on the same Internet, having a phone, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisp200How are they going to control cheating in the online event with so many players playing from the same hotel?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Can you post some pot limit tips?Quote:
Originally Posted by JayjamiNo offense taken. I never played in the pot limit event until last year. I cashed and would have gone really deep if my JJ hadn't been run down by TT. I like it because literally 80% of the field has no idea what they are doing. OMG, all these NL kids with their 2.3x raises before the flop. Worst thing you can do in pot limit.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker
Before the TV explosion, pot limit was often the biggest game in many card rooms in the West. I prepared by playing about 50 computer simulated tournaments. That, with my past cash game experience, adequately prepared me for the event.
Count me in the 80% who has no idea what he's doing.
Actually, Chris raises a good point.Quote:
Originally Posted by duped_samaritanSame as always? Being in the same hotel/city is not much different from being on the same Internet, having a phone, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisp200
There could easily be cheating, such as a better player taking over for one of his friends running deep. Or several people getting together in one room and coaching the player.
Yes, this could happen in any online tournament, but I think it's more likely to happen in a WSOP tournament where a bracelet is awarded and you will have a lot of very good players physically staying in one hotel.
I feel that the online tournament and hyper tournaments are really cheapening the meaning of the bracelets. Yes, there are also bracelets awarded in non-open events such as the ladies, casino employees, and seniors, but at least those are understood to be kind of "asterisk bracelets", where only a certain subset is allowed to play. The fact that open event bracelets are being awarded for these stupid tournaments kinda bothers me, especially as an existing bracelet holder.
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Originally Posted by JayjamiNo offense taken. I never played in the pot limit event until last year. I cashed and would have gone really deep if my JJ hadn't been run down by TT. I like it because literally 80% of the field has no idea what they are doing. OMG, all these NL kids with their 2.3x raises before the flop. Worst thing you can do in pot limit.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker
Before the TV explosion, pot limit was often the biggest game in many card rooms in the West. I prepared by playing about 50 computer simulated tournaments. That, with my past cash game experience, adequately prepared me for the event.
Why exactly is it bad to raise 2.3x in pot limit?
Some differences I can think of off the top.
1. like limit holdem you will be playing all the streets more often.
2. Waking up to a hand like aj suited utg with 12 big blinds in no limit would be an auto ship. In pot limit I would fold to avoid the awkwardness of putting in 25 percent of my stack and getting cold called.
3. No dudes rejamming their 24 big blinds all in in your face. This is why I ask jayjami why it's so important to have your standerd preflop open pot sized. The higher the raise the higher the reraise opportunity (I can see a guy chosing to ship in reraise if they can get over half their stack in the middle where fta smaller open might not give them this opportunity... early position early in tourney is probably the only time I'm potting it to open. I dint understand open pot in late stages.
4. Fold out suited connectery hands more often because a lot of dudes will be opening to 3.5x apparently.
5. Set mine the fuck out of old nits.
Here is the thread:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffCan you post some pot limit tips?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jayjami
Count me in the 80% who has no idea what he's doing.
http://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sho...t-Hold-em-Tips
Its also not in the spirit of the WSOP.Quote:
Originally Posted by abrown83
You can at least have a winner in Crazy Pineapple, or Chinese Poker (games that I believe should have a bracelet event).
But a 50/50 tournament? This concept was purely for online players who wanted a quick boost to a bankroll without having to commit much time to what a usual MTT time frame is. It's not really meant for live play.
They are essentially satellites (which, like this event, charges high rake). The WSOP is giving a "bracelet" in what is, essentially, a satellite event.
WSOP events should have a winner. That's the point of playing.
Are any of the other big rooms in town have a schedule out yet? Id like to limit a trip to a $1500 wsop buy in and maybe a $600 buy in at another location.
If you don't mind giving Shady Sheldon your money, the Venetian runs Deepstack III, the schedule is not out yet. You get a lot of play for your money and decent size fields.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daly
i do mind but that's exactly what I'm looking for. Maybe a colossus/PLO deep stack sandwitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by JayjamiIf you don't mind giving Shady Sheldon your money, the Venetian runs Deepstack III, the schedule is not out yet. You get a lot of play for your money and decent size fields.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daly
No open face chinese this year?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dalyi do mind but that's exactly what I'm looking for. Maybe a colossus/PLO deep stack sandwitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jayjami
DeepStack Extravaganza III
May 20th, 2015 - July 19th, 2015
http://www.venetian.com/assets/DSE_I...5-Schedule.pdf