I reg on twoplustwo yest. Made 1 post critisizing full flush poker...this morning im banned for spaming????? Ban never to be lifted. What was that?????
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I reg on twoplustwo yest. Made 1 post critisizing full flush poker...this morning im banned for spaming????? Ban never to be lifted. What was that?????
lol welcome to pfa
It's a mob, and if it is any consolation I was banned years ago and literally have not even clicked that site since. I find it hilarious the ridiculous nature they fan boy some of them queers. None of them ever win bracelets, or really do anything but angle at "HSNL" on Pokerstars/FullTilt etc. And then become a thing of folklore. Only there though, which is kind of funny.
Anyway I digress, moral of the story is you are not missing much buddy. So f them, f their propaganda, long live the rebels and welcome to the darkside!
Thanks brother.... resistence is futile. ..thats what thay whant u to think. I wont click onbit again...
Pfa is the only place for free expression..tx todd.
amenQuote:
Originally Posted by thesparten
I would say that 95%+ on this board have been banned at 2+2 at some point. That site is a joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by thesparten
Dude you're not living right if you haven't pissed off somebody to be perma banhammered on an acct at least once. Druffs been banhammered more then once. In fact I think we both got banhammered around the same time recently both related to the crap involving the possibly skimming of the jackpot and promotional monies at a casino that caused a major blowup and shitdump by Mason who banned Druff for refusing to apologize for his comments ON PFA (not even for something he posted on 2+2), mine was originally a 24hr timeout but apparently after I blew up some shit here I got banhammered for life and honestly we all know who the spy is. At least Propoker has the balls to finally admit his accts existence on here. He was too afraid to before but it was pretty obvious one of the top end brown nosers for Mason Mallmutt were reading the posts over here and Mason rarely does the dirty work..Quote:
Originally Posted by thesparten
Personally I agree with what somebody said among several of them its a a big circle jerk of fanboys most of whom who have no chance in hell of ever binking a bracelet or any other major title. Still amazes me anybody take Mallmutt serious. Druff has more credibility on poker playing and theory then Mallmutt does (Bracelets for Druff 1 not to mention several cashes, meanwhile Mallmutt has NEVER cashed in a WSOP, EPT, WPT or anything in his bloody life, Shit Chinamaniac for that matter or hell MICON has more poker cred then Mallmutt). (no offense to china just pointing out how a fat no nothing cash nit has made a fortune riding the nutsack of a suspected pedophile in David Sklansky.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hockey GuyI would say that 95%+ on this board have been banned at 2+2 at some point. That site is a joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by thesparten
That was not the post that got you banhammered. You posted in the Magazine forum something off topic promoting ACR in NY so you confused the mod in there as the post resembled spam, and got swept up with some other Chinese spammers that hit at the same time.Quote:
Originally Posted by thesparten
The Magazine forum is the first open forum in the sidebar so it catches tons of spam.
So what is ACR?
Anybody believe PP doesn't know what ACR is, raise your hand. If he really doesn't then he should immediately resign as a mod on 2+2 for being that out if touch with online poker in the USA it current stands.
Forgive me for not instantly figuring it out. It is not a site that I have ever dealt with or looked into. But yes I figured it shortly after posting the question.Quote:
Originally Posted by ftpjesus
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Originally Posted by propokerForgive me for not instantly figuring it out. It is not a site that I have ever dealt with or looked into. But yes I figured it shortly after posting the question.Quote:
Originally Posted by ftpjesus
Evidence, once again, of the massive volume of clueless posters & moderators you have to plow through on that useless site.
If lightning strikes and something interesting turns up on 2+2, allow someone else to torch hours of their day trolling for it & repost it for you somewhere else.
Its a game of numbers. With over 400K registrations and 800K unique visitors a month not everyone is going to be a genius. Most of our users enjoy the diversity, some get overly worked up over "someone is wrong on the internet", some just like to whine and be miserable.Quote:
Originally Posted by SanlmarQuote:
Originally Posted by propoker
Evidence, once again, of the massive volume of clueless posters & moderators you have to plow through on that useless site.
If lightning strikes and something interesting turns up on 2+2, allow someone else to torch hours of their day trolling for it & repost it for you somewhere else.
I don't have a problem with 2+2 as a forum. I enjoyed participating there during the time periods when I wasn't banned. Yes, there are a lot of idiots there, but with a userbase that large, it's inevitable.
The problem is with who runs the place. I don't even think the mods there are the problem.
The problem rests with the ownership. Between the ridiculously obsessive spam policy (you can't link your own site or videos, even if completely relevant to the thread or useful to the public) and the petty, controlling attitude of Mason himself, it's amazingly easy to get banned from the place.
The funny thing is how I get along with most of the mods there (even TheEngineer now), and podcast host Adam Schwartz is a regular listener to PFA Radio.
And I've always been respectful of 2+2 rules and posted good content.
Yet I'm banned. Just ridiculous.
Well as others have stated at times unless you kiss Masons posterior you post at the whim of which side of the bed he got up on that morning. While I don't believe Mason is actively trolling silently on PFA and other sites, he has completely blown it in that at the heart of of PFA 2/2 and others all serve and exist at the pleasure of the community as a whole. If 2/2 suddenly lost it's Alexa rating Mason would have a coronary. I'm all for capitalism and monetizing content. My issue is he takes it to an extreme and when it comes to certain serious issues that blow up on here and there, Mason wants to pretend that everything on his site is gospel and he does a damn hell of a job trying to pretend even guys like Marco and Thomas among others don't exist in the small incesteous media market known as poker and gaming in general.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Bottom line, 4 censors way too much stuff & is way to free with perma-banning posters.
Ryback has a couple things wrong as does Druff.
Marco is a friend of 2+2 and we (myself, Mason and Mat) had lunch with him last week.
Thomas has been and is welcome to embed his own parody videos and video reports. There are several other instances where we allowed folks to link to their own articles. That flexibility has been present for a long time.
A person that has been a member for a while and is a consistent contributor of good content, is allowed leeway in linking off site. This is provided the info is important to the community and not spamming a site or product. Most folks that are in this category understand the self-promotion rules and have asked prior to posting their link for permission.
Someone that links to their own site on their first post, will get the banhammer, unless they are confirmed someone noteable with important info for the community. Without semi-strict rules about self promotion the site would be a spam fest. If you would like to see the self promotion policies they are in the last section of 2+2's T&C.
One thing you will never see is a member of 2+2 management or any of the mods enter someone else's site and link or direct traffic to 2+2. We expect the same courtesy, and will make exceptions for those that have been positive contributors to the site, like Marco and SrslySirius.
In some cases either myself, Kevmath, or other members will link off-site to someone's content when something important is worthy of discussion. We recognize the value of a good article or topic on some other site and love it when it generates discussion traffic on 2+2. Then we have a win-win, we both get added traffic.
You're full of shit to a certain extent PP.
Druff links threads from 2+2 to here all the time & has no problem when others do too. Even you could do it if you wanted. Try linking stuff from here to 2+2 & see what happens.
Your last line is where the crock of shit is. 2+2 doesn't give a fuck about any win-win. They use others' articles to drive traffic to 2+2 but try very hard not to let traffic get driven the other way & that's a fact. Look, I'm all for capitalism & monetizing the site, but fuck off with this win-win shit.
I could start an "Official 2+2 Podcast Thread" here & link every show & Druff wouldn't do a fucking thing because he's smart enough to realize there is some good content there worthy of discussion & not strictly motivated by the almighty dollar. If I(or anybody) did the same for an "Official PFA Pocast Thread" or even linked a specific podcast to a thread because it was relevant to the topic on 2+2, nobody would have to worry about linking more because it'd would be insta-deleted & whoever started it would probably be insta-perma-banned. It doesn't matter that I'm not in management or a mod here, nobody but Druff is, it would be insta-deleted.
Druff was banned for years from 2+2 for an idiotic personal vendetta, gets re-instated & then gets banned again for idiotic reasons & he still allows mods from that site(you) to freely have an account on his site & say whatever the fuck he wants & that's the way it should be.
Hockey, you seem to reply to me based on emotion and not facts.
Referring only to the win-win part of our discussion atm, at no time did I ever bring up or question Druff's policies on linking off-site, although I am sure there are a couple that would get deleted if posted, just as there are a couple sites that are filtered at 2+2. I did state 2+2's policy about our management and mods of not spamming our content to other sites. What other people link to is of interest to them and presumably the site they are on, and it that case it is not spam. When a site owner does it or the author of the material does it, it can be considered spam. As stated before, if we allowed this, NVG would be a spam fest, but we do make exceptions.
Looking right now at the first page of NVG, there are 9 threads that start with links off site or with other's embedded content. That is a fact. So where is the BS in my statement?
As far as Druff's banning, he will confirm that I was instrumental in getting him reinstated last time and facilitating the access to the Kilowatt account. My understanding of his current ban is that it is much bigger picture than just the Palms episode, and if he wants to discuss this with me privately, he has my email and I believe phone number. We generally do not publicly discuss banning with anyone but the one banned.
If only a couple things then that's an admission I was pretty spot on. Your statement about being a good member and contributing as well as noteable info is a laughable statement given the fact of Mason's treatment of Daniel Negreanu has at best been laughable. It would seem to me the treatment of DN proves most of my statements about Mason to the core. Its bad enough to arbitrarily get a hair up your ass and banhammer some random like ftpjesus and even to ban Druff which at least himself has some poker street cred but to bring down the hammer on the top money winner all time in poker (as of his 2nd place in this years 1M 1D finish) proves that "somebody" important has zero meaning in who is notable.Quote:
Originally Posted by propoker
Where do you get this stuff? Daniel was never perma banned and is still a member. You must have missed the Choice Center thread. It is widely known public information that he was given a one day temp ban a couple years ago, to which he admitted to me that his reaction was way over the top. As far as being a positive contributor to the community, I think you would be hard pressed to find any posts from him on 2+2 that weren't self-serving. There may be a few if you dig long and hard enough but they were few and far between.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryback_feed_me_more
Sorry, but some of what you're saying above isn't true.Quote:
Originally Posted by propoker
I would like to consider myself a positive contributor to 2+2 (when I was allowed to have an account there). I never engaged in self-promotion, and it was clear that my presence there was because I enjoyed taking part in the discussions, rather than for any financial gain.
Despite that, I was never allowed to post PFA links.
Others were (and still are) allowed to post PFA links, but not me., because I own PFA Which is ridiculous.
So I would write up a whole story about something (often BEFORE it is being covered very much on 2+2), and I'm not allowed to link everything I already wrote on PFA. Instead, I am stuck copying and pasting everything if I want it posted over there.
I received stern warnings in the few instances I tried to post any PFA links.
I think the 2+2 mods are smart enough to tell the difference between terrible spam attempts and legit posters linking to things they wrote on their own site.
So while I believe that certain 2+2 darlings like SrslySirius are granted exceptions (and deservedly so), the "spam" policy is much too tight.
And Mason himself is just so petty that you really have lost a lot of good posters due to his frivolous bans.
Todd, I think it is entirely true. It comes down to a few things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
As the owner of another forum, how do you not get this? You may disagree with this but there is also a frequency issue, as it did appear you wanted to spam links to PFA whenever possible. That was the perception anyway and the reason for the stern warnings.Quote:
One thing you will never see is a member of 2+2 management or any of the mods enter someone else's site and link or direct traffic to 2+2. We expect the same courtesy,
At any time did you PM myself or any other mod to ask us "hey, I've got some breaking news that I posted over at PFA, do you mind if I link to it?" It comes down to professional courtesy and respect. At a minimum, if it was something that would interest 2+2 members I would have started the thread for you, with a link to PFA. I am sure there are others that would have done the same, and there is a decent shot you would have received approval to do it yourself. There are ways to play the game where everyone wins.
We get post reports constantly from members that believe they are getting spammed. Our policies regarding linking to your own site or material are policies that most of our members want and appreciate. Without it every poker author in the world would be starting a thread, linking to their articles, blogs, great new ideas, and products.
I wanted to spam PFA links wherever possible?
Come on.
I spent many, many hours posting good content on 2+2, with thoughtful, detailed posts. How many times, out of all of those posts I made since being unbanned, did I post PFA links? Like twice? And it was absolutely never gratuitous. It was one of those situations where I had already done a big writeup on a situation, and I wanted to respond to an existing 2+2 thread with a link to my writeup.
The ridiculous thing was the fact that anyone besides me was able to post PFA links under the identical circumstances. If a link is relevant and not gratuitous, then it's not spam. If the link is just a transparent way to get traffic to a site, then it is spam. The identity of the poster shouldn't matter.
I would totally understand 2+2's position if my entire contribution to the forum was backdoor ways to get traffic to PFA, but you know that's not at all what I was doing.
I have always been respectful of the 2+2 rules (even the "spam" ones we are debating here -- I stopped linking PFA once I got warned), and I can't post on the site. Ridiculous.
dear propoker,
how does it feel to be a robot?
sincerely,
kill yourself (oh wait you have no soul, you're a robot)
No actually PP is just a reverse muppet (normally the muppet has a hand up its ass by the muppet operator, in this case PP has his muppet head up Masons ass)Quote:
Originally Posted by anonamoose
a lot of fat nerds are mods at 4. its loserville
I was considering to make an account on 2+2, but when i hear all this crazy ban shit (Negreanu, Druff, Kessler etc.) i think ist a weird place (they have no respect) and i am rather a member of sites likes PFA. I know a lot of people who dislike 2+2. Also it looks like a big chaos.
The biggest problem there, aside from Mason and his iron-fisted style of moderation, is the signal-to-noise ratio is very low. There are a few really good/interesting posts, but you have to read through a lot of useless garbage to find them. That's why I hate those 100 page 2+2 threads, because 99% of the posts in those threads are crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel72
C'mon, Michael, do you really need to come over here to peddle Mason's BS? While I'm hardly a fit to PFA's typical user profile, I post here simply to avoid dealing with Mason's crap or giving unneeded traffic to your site.Quote:
Originally Posted by propoker
What's even funnier is...:
1) How many times I've been involved with a topic or something where I had new info to share or someone mentioned me or a story of mine erroneously, and I would only post a brief reply on 4 without adding much more info. Invariably, someone then posts or DMs me asking why I don't link to the better, fuller story, and my response is always, "Due to Mason's dickhead policies, I can't, but you can."
2) How many times full stories of mine were pasted into the forum without links or proper attribution, and how slow the site's mods were to rectify that. They're better now, but mind that it took years of me slapping Mason upside the head before he understood I was serious about protecting my work. Funny how he demands the same protections and then some.
3) How I publicly dared Mason to ban me after I told him what a piece of garbage he was a few years ago, when he tried to denigrate me in conjunction with a book-review project I was working on -- the story he told the forum wasn't true at all, and I had the e-mail exchange to prove it. But Mason proved to a lot of people in that episode the petty, (non)-quality person he was, and I see nothing to indicate he'll ever mature or mend his ways. (And he didn't ban me, coward that he was. I feel left out.)
4) The hilarious, PETTY way that the "Dutch Boyd apology thread" is -still- pinned to the top of the NVG forum. God, that's embarrassing for Mason. But eminently typical.
Come on Haley. Obviously 2+2 works with the poker community to make sure it's a win-win for everybody.Quote:
Originally Posted by haleylh