Oops! Star of CNBC Reality Show about sportsbetting expert is a scammer & fraud

Meet "Steve Stevens", whose real name is Darin Notaro.

Here is a split-screen picture of "Steve Stevens" and Darin Notaro, clearly the same person:

http://static2.businessinsider.com/i...ens-notaro.jpg

He will be in a CNBC Reality Show called "Money Talks", starting in September.

Here is "Stevens" in a promotion for his business:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c62WSSY_aTA

Steve Stevens owns "VIP Sports", which laughably claims a 70% win rate on the NFL. Aside from this being nearly impossible (this article claims you have a 1-in-a-trillion chance of doing this over 1,000 picks), it turns out that Notaro has an ugly police record.

Notaro has been arrested and convicted in telemarketing scams going back to 1999. He was sentenced to a year in prison at age 25 for a scheme that "bilked elderly citizens across the nation out of at least $234,000," according to the Las Vegas Sun: http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/1999...am-of-elderly/

CNBC actually admitted to knowing about his 1999 conviction! A spokesman said this:

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We are aware of Steve Stevens’ 1999 conviction and while we are very clear in the press release that VIP Sports clients risk big dollars in the hopes that Stevens and his agents have the expertise to consistently deliver winners, viewers should tune in on September 10th at 10pm ET/PT to draw their own conclusions about VIP Sports. We are merely betting that viewers will be interested in the world of touts and handicappers and in no way endorse either Stevens’ picks or his business model.

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So basically they are trying to say that they are just showing Stevens' business and letting the viewers decide if he's legit or not. Lame excuse. This guy is just a scammer, and not even a legitimate or semi-legitimate tout.

Nobody in the Vegas sportsbetting world, including Haralabob Voulgaris, has heard of Stevens before.

Full article:

http://www.businessinsider.com/cnbc-...r-fraud-2013-7

I have a hard time believing that they knew, I can't prove it, but I think they are just back tracking.
I could see if it was some famous person, but why would you hire a completely unknown person w/ something like that on his record?
I don't care how long ago it is, people that scam like that are incorrigible IMO.

He obviously has experience for his current job.

Like Druff said 70% is laughable. I ran like God one year and was 65% for the NFL season, and I could never duplicate that again.

Lets be nieve and say we believe hes 71.5% like it says. If he was he would never in a million years say 69-70%. He would know exactly 71.5% and would never undersell himself if it were true. If Cmoney didnt exist i'd say its impossible to hit 70% for a whole season.

Lets be nieve again and assume he really does hit 70% winners. Would he be picking up a phone and hustling people for money. When Dr Bob had his amazing year I forget the % the oddsmakers were moving the lines with his picks.

These guys piss me off because this is what the average gamblers think all touts are. Yes theres a ton of these scammers but theres still a handfull of good ones that make me money.

Almost every guest on CNBC is a liar. From the analysts to the CEO's. They don't care.

This guy definitely sounds like a scum but most sportsbetting pick shills are and a majority lie about their win rate. 70% is impossible unless he has resources to find those one or two college game lines that are extremely off in mid major conferences but even those aren't going to net you that kind of win rate over time.

I will still watch the pilot at least just to see how they make this industry appear.

I prefer this Steve Stevens:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5_WW8emD4A

RJ Bell ‏@RJinVegas 18m
Steve Stevens deleted his Youtube video (http://bit.ly/12GM4zx ) & reposted at new link (so links from news stories reporting scam are dead)

Sean Breen ‏@SeanmBreen 17m
@RJinVegas @WagerMinds Steve also changed his craigslist ad that i had found also http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/sls/3957382324.html …


Billy Fogarascher ‏@therealfogey 14m
@RJinVegas he has a twitter @VIPSportsLasVeg with only 17 followers and 0 tweets

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RJ Bell ‏@RJinVegas 18m
Steve Stevens deleted his Youtube video (http://bit.ly/12GM4zx ) & reposted at new link (so links from news stories reporting scam are dead)

Sean Breen ‏@SeanmBreen 17m
@RJinVegas @WagerMinds Steve also changed his craigslist ad that i had found also http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/sls/3957382324.html …


Billy Fogarascher ‏@therealfogey 14m
@RJinVegas he has a twitter @VIPSportsLasVeg with only 17 followers and 0 tweets

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Sorry for the double post, but I didn't see that the CL ad was for a job w/ the guy.
This could be a good opportunity for Chico loco. Isn't he looking for a job?
You might have to just do it, and record it for next show, I doubt this will still be up in a week.

'In' before Lock Poker gives this guy a deal.

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Like Druff said 70% is laughable. I ran like God one year and was 65% for the NFL season, and I could never duplicate that again.

Lets be nieve and say we believe hes 71.5% like it says. If he was he would never in a million years say 69-70%. He would know exactly 71.5% and would never undersell himself if it were true. If Cmoney didnt exist i'd say its impossible to hit 70% for a whole season.

Lets be nieve again and assume he really does hit 70% winners. Would he be picking up a phone and hustling people for money. When Dr Bob had his amazing year I forget the % the oddsmakers were moving the lines with his picks.

These guys piss me off because this is what the average gamblers think all touts are. Yes theres a ton of these scammers but theres still a handfull of good ones that make me money.

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I ran over 95 percent over 2 seasons (100 percent last season) - what are odds of 18-1-1 (goldfarb)

If anyone wants to see this scum bag in action this show premiers tonight at 9pm EST.

The only reason I want to check it out is to see what will likely be bad editing and how they make the industry come off.

The old video for his business has been removed.

:lol

So I watched this thing tonight. Here are a few thoughts:

-First and foremost, I still have no idea what their business model is. They do a horrible job of explaining how they make money from their clients. They talk about a $250 initiation fee and then they have a bunch of guys in a boiler room shouting into telephones and there's something about collecting pieces of wagers up front. From what I gather, they tell these guys to put thousands of dollars on a certain game and the betters are expected to give the tout service a huge percentage if they win (for example, one guy tells his client to put $4K on the Lakers and he says that if the Lakers win he will give the tout $2K). They briefly talked about how the betters sometimes don't give them their cut and they go through collections. It's all very unclear. Obviously, if that's their business model is completely outrageous that anyone would use such a service.

-The visuals of this show are actually quite impressive. It's absolutely gorgeous. The shots around Vegas and everything are really slick. Unfortunately, the show seems to have been edited by a 9-year-old with ADHD. It's just cut after cut after cut. There are so many goddamn rapid cuts in this show. Wide shot. Close up. Profile. Wide shot. Profile. Close up. Different angle close up. Wide shot. All within seconds. My god. They need to let it breathe.

-In the first episode, they win every bet of course. I'm curious whether they'll show them lose sometime.

-In all these reality shows, it usually becomes quite apparent that most of it is scripted and fake because the characters suck at acting. At first, this show felt somewhat organic but then you could tell they added in some plot points to make it more dramatic. The turning point was when the Prinelli (?) guy moves in with the office secretary so she can keep tabs on him and he says, "I think we're going to get along great" while lighting up a cigarette which pisses her off. Totally fake. Then there was the whole catfight in the Japanese restaurant.

-What the fuck is up with this guy's cat?

As with some other gambling based shows that have come out they won't appeal to someone who don't at least understand the basic concepts of betting because they will be confused and they likely won't appeal to someone who is very advanced in it.

With that said they don't cover their client fees and compensation all that well. All reality TV has some fakeness to bring a drama element to it. For someone like myself who sees through it I don't care for that unless it's well scripted but many other people buy into this heavy which is why reality TV makes up so many programs on the air today.

I didn't hate the show but I didn't love it either and I had no real expectations for it. This guy Steve Stevens definitely has an big ego but in order to be successful in the tout business you have to come off in the cocky confident manner. A lot of people frown upon these guys and while I wouldn't actually pay any of them myself if you get a few hundred suckers who are willing to do it then I can't knock the hustle.

I watched the show and actually found it somewhat entertaining. I'd never send a guy money, but if he can get people to ship him $$$ for picks, than so be it.

Anyway, I'd assume anyone trying to make money this way would be pretty shady. Doesn't look like the show drew a big number, so he might have to continue his shady ways to make it.

http://variety.com/2013/tv/news/cnbc...ht-1200609126/

I guess the pilot episode of this was a success as far as ratings go (which don't need to be great for CNBC) that they have ordered up eight new episodes starting March 19th.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101351362

This guy baffles me, on one side I'm like fuck it, he is fooling the public so get the money, but this guy is such a scumbag.

I still don't get its how none of the bookies know this guy? Where is he filming, I've only seen commercials but it looks like they are in a casino sometimes.
But the biggest bookmakers don't even know him.

EDIT: This says they went into the LVH and bet w/Jay the main guy there, so maybe they do know him,,,,,,,,,,, now.

Real good article, guy is a real scumbag.

CNBC’s Sports Betting Show Stars Floyd Mayweather’s Friend, Who’s So Full Of Shit It Hurts

http://www.sportsgrid.com/gamblin/cn...shit-it-hurts/

CNBC’s “Money Talks” is a show claiming to be about sports betting, but it’s really just a mildly entertaining, entirely embarrassing profile of a sleazy man who claims to be successful, but hopefully and probably isn’t.

The show aired one episode in September and got horrible ratings. They’re relaunching the show next week, hoping to latch on to the popularity of March Madness.

It follows Darin Notaro, “who goes by Steve Stevens when he’s moving money at his Las Vegas-based company VIP Sports.” To clarify, he “moves money” from suckers’ pockets into his own.

....................If you wind up watching this admittedly entertaining show, please do it with the above quote in mind. A bunch of fucking losers.

Unless it's an expose, CNBC really shouldn't be making entertainment out of some Vegas scumbag scamming people.

CNBC founded & crushes info-tainment

So many carnival barkers. Jim Cramer and WC Fields are category killers.

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Unless it's an expose, CNBC really shouldn't be making entertainment out of some Vegas scumbag scamming people.

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I think it is an unintentional one.
CNBC is trying to make $$$ only, but in turn they are showing these guys are just scum.
I didn't even see the one episode they showed, but if what happened in this article happens on film? Probably will hurt the entire industry,
I know "no publicity is bad publicity", but who would watch that then be like, I think I'll find a tout and give it a shot?



If the main salesman is crying over guilt, no matter how much they make, he needs a new job.

Tonight its back. I need to read Todd Fuhrman's blog, looks like he ripped this guy and the network for how they chose him.

Maybe CNBC has the same motto as Chino, 'you can't blame a guy for mistakes he made in the past.'


2nd Season Of Sports Betting Reality Show ‘Money Talks’ Debuts Tonight

http://www.gambling911.com/gambling-...ht-031914.html

CNBC renewed the controversial sports betting reality show “Money Talks”, which premieres Wednesday night (March 19) at 10 pm EDT.



"Money Talks" takes viewers inside the world of Steve Stevens, a sports handicapper who runs VIP Sports out of Las Vegas. Each one-hour episode follows Stevens and his agents who sell their picks to gamblers looking for any kind of edge. From small-time bettors to big-time whales who put six figures on the line, this is a world built on high risk, high reward and high emotions.

But Steve Stevens has been called out by a number of Vegas bigwigs, some of whom just stopped short of calling the capper “a fraud”.

Prior to the show’s first airing, Don Best TV’s Todd Furhman suggested Stevens is part of a “disturbing trend”.

“We’re seeing a disturbing trend start to emerge; the proliferation of docudramas, movies and articles that lead to sensationalizing dishonest personalities within the sports betting industry,” Fuhrman, a former Caesar’s oddsmaker, wrote in a blog post on Monday.

“The media consciously chooses to validate the wrong personalities, creating an aura around characters that are no better than modern-day carnies.”

Fuhrman then went on to point out that “no one, and I mean no one” knows Stevens.

“My disgust with the topic runs deeper and is with the supposedly reputable network for their half-baked attempt to do appropriate research on the featured personality,” Fuhrman wrote. “Did they talk to respected voices in the field? Did they reach out to actual sportsbook operators? Did they track Stevens for at least two seasons to see if his claims were warranted before giving him his own show?”

Stevens, was convicted in a telemarketing scam that bilked elderly investors of at least $234,000 nearly 15 years ago.

So much BS in this one episode,
I wouldn't recommend it.

That article nailed the gist, but didn't catch the obvious mistakes. The days don't match up.

Has a client in town for 3 days,
Day 1 loses 11k, Friday nite on LAD in game 1 on the NLCS.
Day 2 lost 22k, on Miami U, (appeared to be SAT night)
So they have a big pow wow that night, the guy is down 33k, then he talks him into the 60k bet on the 3rd day W/ Sea (which appeared to be on Sun)

well game 1 was on friday 10-11,
Game 2 and 3, were both played, simultaneously, on Thursday nite 10-17, six days later?????
Wow,

And this tout using the client's girlfriend? I couldn't even watch those scenes, that guy is such a scum.
She is stupid as F though. I'd say they have to be a new couple, as usually they only think gambling is cool for like a month to 6 weeks, but she said she wants to get married.........

I just watched that and it was terrible. He explains he has a client coming into town for week with a 50K betting bankroll. Stevens says he doesn't just pick the games he helps the client with money management and the plan is to bet 11k on 5 games. Putting 20% of your roll on one game is great money management.

When he loses the 1st game he has the guy bet 22k or 40% of his roll. Lose that game and has him bet 66k almost doubling the amount of money the guy wanted to risk.

All this jerk Stevens did was have his customer play a martingale system and then he wants his cut when the customer finally wins a bet. He did a little summary part for all the people who didn't follow that. Stevens talks about how he has the best percentage. WTF? He went 1 of 3 for a 33% win rate. That is really crushing things.

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And this tout(Chris) using the client's girlfriend? I couldn't even watch those scenes, that guy is such a scum.
She is stupid as F though. I'd say they have to be a new couple, as usually they only think gambling is cool for like a month to 6 weeks, but she said she wants to get married.........

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I don't think it is all scripted though. When that Chris guy was telling that other lady he could make her 2 units a week guaranteed, his girlfriend was wincing at his lame scummy salesman talk.

I watched it too and echo what you guys are saying. It's laughable they mention "money management" and are doubling down or risking more then one is comfortable doing. To be fair no matter what tout service you bring if it's a commission based and not just selling picks they are all going to pressure their clients to bet bigger and then keep going bigger,etc...

These guys don't give two shits about their client busting or not but they spend more quality time with the bigger ones in hopes if shit hits the fan they will stick with them longer or if they do win that they can pressure them to bet bigger.

I wonder where the hell that office is located because it looks like it's in an extremely shitty lot imo.

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To be fair no matter what tout service you bring if it's a commission based and not just selling picks they are all going to pressure their clients to bet bigger and then keep going bigger,etc...

These guys don't give two shits about their client busting or not but they spend more quality time with the bigger ones in hopes if shit hits the fan they will stick with them longer or if they do win that they can pressure them to bet bigger.

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Exactly, but why not. The faster you turn them out, the more money you make.

I'm watching the game going ok (I never saw his comm structure, but the other guy was 40-50 %???)
So the "client" essentially has Cincy 1100 to win 500. And the other guy has 0 to win 500.
No one is good enough to profit on that deal.

Its just how can you meet a guy like that and not think total scum. Esp a chick.
I thought it would be hard for him to get the client up to 1000 because she was there, turned out she helped.
I'm sure like she felt like she owed him a good one in the sack later.

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To be fair no matter what tout service you bring if it's a commission based and not just selling picks they are all going to pressure their clients to bet bigger and then keep going bigger,etc...

These guys don't give two shits about their client busting or not but they spend more quality time with the bigger ones in hopes if shit hits the fan they will stick with them longer or if they do win that they can pressure them to bet bigger.

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Exactly, but why not. The faster you turn them out, the more money you make.

I'm watching the game going ok (I never saw his comm structure, but the other guy was 40-50 %???)
So the "client" essentially has Cincy 1100 to win 500. And the other guy has 0 to win 500.
No one is good enough to profit on that deal.

Its just how can you meet a guy like that and not think total scum. Esp a chick.
I thought it would be hard for him to get the client up to 1000 because she was there, turned out she helped.
I'm sure like she felt like she owed him a good one in the sack later.

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I didn't see what percent the big player or sucker as I prefer to call them has to pay but I believe it's probably negotiable. LOL @ 40-50% freeroll though.

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I don't think it is all scripted though. When that Chris guy was telling that other lady he could make her 2 units a week guaranteed, his girlfriend was wincing at his lame scummy salesman talk.

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She was probably also wincing that he was obv trying to hit on the buddies friend.

The conversation Steve had w/his client after losing the 22k bet but before wining 60k, couldn't possibly have happened, those last 2 games were going at the same time, (probably why they didn't watch the Seattle game.)

And the other BS, so this guy had 60 k on the game and just didn't know how to get an update himself? He had to rely on Stevens?
Fucking joke, it seems like some tout from 1980 is consulting them.

Call me crazy but sometimes fail entertains me so I will probably watch more episodes of this show and laugh at how bad it is.

They do have last nights episode up online if anyone really wants to see the fail that didn't:

http://www.cnbc.com/live-tv/money-talks

Wow, this Chris Pirelli guy just opened a twitter and is just mixing it up w/every tout in town.

VR, RJ, Todd Fuhrman, Wagering minds.

Wow,
https://twitter.com/ChrisMoneyTalks



fuhrman was at least talking shit about him and the show, but he went out of his way to talk smack w/VR.





The show said he had working been there 3 years or something, I'd bet you could prove that wrong.

And now, haralabob.
Just challenged him to a 100k HU match.


He just has no clue, he even said on TV, these are Steven's picks, (yet he wasn't handicapping either.)
Bunch of salesman it looked like to me.
I'd imagine most telemarketer offices, no matter the product, look like that place.

That Chris Pirelli guy came off like a scummy/arrogant salesman in both episodes they have had so far (last week and the early trial pilot for a few months back). I think they said he makes a few hundred grand a year but pisses it all away living the Vegas lifestyle which I'm sure is partly true but wtf knows if he really makes that much.

I will watch at least a few more episodes because like I said earlier it entertains me how bad it is.

That costume for the low man thing, had a ringing of that show. (if it is the one w/ the sat night sales infomercial)

Would not be surprised if those 2 bosses are friends.


The whole thing feels like “The Wolf of Wall Street” meets Towbin Dodge’s “The Chopper Show.”





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If the saying “If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is” doesn’t run through your mind while watching the new series “Money Talks” (10 p.m. Wednesday, CNBC), well, you’re just the type of person Steve Stevens is looking for.

“I’m not a bookie. I’m a bookie killer,” boasts Stevens, owner of the Las Vegas-based “sports consulting agency” VIP Sports.

Basically, he and his staff will supply bettors with sports picks, either by selling them outright as part of “investment packages” or by taking 40- to 50-percent commissions on winners.

The VIP staffers will go through 300 names to land two or three new customers, and the process is depicted as a constant churn.

His top salespeople, like Chris “Mother(expletive)-in’ ” Pirelli are shown dropping 15 grand on a watch at The Jewelers of Las Vegas and boasting of a life of strippers, jet skis and “poppin’ bottles.” (Do people still pop bottles? Really??)

His least successful employees are shown in a competition to avoid having to come to work in a silly costume.

The whole thing feels like “The Wolf of Wall Street” meets Towbin Dodge’s “The Chopper Show.”

“Don’t call and waste my time” for bets of $2,000 or $3,000, says Stevens, aka Darin Notaro. And if you’re curious about just exactly whom you’d be buying these picks from, Google “Darin Notaro,” “fraud” and “prison.”

“Money Talks” was filmed so long ago that when Stevens/Notaro advises a client to fork over $11,000 on the Dodgers to win the first game of last year’s NLCS, it takes some of the suspense out of it for anyone who follows baseball.

But that’s nothing compared to the dirty feeling that will wash over you as the “Money Talks” team badgers clients into wagering more money than they’re comfortable with.

“His biggest problem,” Pirelli says of one client, “is he has no balls.”

It’s enough to make you wonder, if earning millions of dollars by wagering on sports is so easy, why are they selling these picks and not just wagering themselves?

From the last episode they once again have two games going on at once. The first one they watch on October 19th between Ball State vs Western Michigan started at 2pm and the Virginia vs Duke game at 3:30pm which they were supposedly in the studio messing around at that time.

Stevens also tells this client about his past history doing some jail time for a telemarketing job he had,etc... I wonder if the info about him never got leaked on the net if that would have even made the show which my guess is no.

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From the last episode they once again have two games going on at once. The first one they watch on October 19th between Ball State vs Western Michigan started at 2pm and the Virginia vs Duke game at 3:30pm which they were supposedly in the studio messing around at that time.

Stevens also tells this client about his past history doing some jail time for a telemarketing job he had,etc... I wonder if the info about him never got leaked on the net if that would have even made the show which my guess is no.

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No shit?, I didn't look that up again.
I FF through most, I missed the entire fat guy w/his client and the 49er game.
I missed the entire studio part. I just wanted to see how they got that one guy up 20k,

It is just so fake, like when exactly is he handicapping these games.

And the fact that another client doesn't know how to get scores himself???
WTF is that part of this schpeel, you can't look at the score.





I saw that part, I doubt he would have if that wasn't the case, but even so, he left alot out,
He made it sound like he was a stand up guy by not ratting on the guys who taught him how to rip off old ladies.
He left out the part that he changed his name
and that he went to jail twice for the same exact thing.

I was 95 percent over 2 seasons.

Just saying

Any expert of any field will say a reality show based on something they have a lot of knowledge on is fake and garbage.

Every time.

This is enough info to tell me that reality tv shows are fake and garbage.

Every time.

I should just DM B+P at this point.
I can't look away.

2 things that stick out to me this episode
# 1 he basically admitted keeping a client for more than 2-3 weeks is hard, all about "news", lingo for a new client.
# 2 He did last night, and Touts in general, seem to be recommending buying points in too many situations.
Buying from 19.5 to 19???? Fuck you.

but if you are a scummy tout, why not????
You got the guy on the hook already, it doesn't come out of the winnings, the client/sucker just pays more juice, and it gives you a slightly better chance of winning. Win win.
Every now and then is fine, but 20 cents to get 6.5 over 7 is not worth it. I'll take the tie.

Even then he was wrong again, he likes to buy the hook when the spread is 7 or 10, not 3???????????????

It seems to me this guy doesn't know shit about sports,
hard core sales tactics...............yes,
football ...................................no.

EDIT so at 40 % comm, she basically had 1650 to win 900.
or 183 to win 100, (instead of 110 to win 100)

you'd need to hit at 65 % to breakeven.

The keeping a client for no longer then a few weeks thing is probably true if he really comes off as scummy to them as the show has portrayed him to be.

It seems crazy in today's world that anyone would pay a vig for 30-50% on winnings for his services. Their are so many other various tout's you can use if you really are into that which charge a flat fee for their picks and then you have many other smart handicappers that hand out free picks all the time now.

Anyone who uses Steven's picks on a hefty commission basis are getting freerolled. The only thing they may get out of it if they lose is free drinks at a bar or the place he takes them for leisure time to try to build their confidence in him.

From the way the show has gone he has various local clients in town for a weekend which he uses what he calls a bankroll management program betting 20-40% of what they have per game which is laughable because that is a high risk high reward play so I wish they wouldn't call it bankroll management. If the client wins he starts pushing them to bump bets and if they lose he may push them to bump as well to get ahead. This aggressive high risk nature will lead to clients leaving his ass when they bump up a few times and go bust because of his pressure or they just realize paying such a huge vig is completely asinine.

One thing I'd like to know is for regular customers he may have how often are they settling up? Lets say Stevens wins a client $30k over a weekend and the client wants to continue betting. I'd assume he pays Stevens his cut of $12k or whatever then starts the guy off like he's betting new BUT from the way it appears Stevens likely tries to force the client to bet more now so the guy goes on a bad run, loses $60k, and just tells Stevens to fuck off which he does but only after he got $12k from the guy over the first weekend and had the attempt to make much more because of his aggressive pressure that the client got pulled into because Stevens won for him at first.

I thought that line of bullshit where he forced the guy to buy the half point but claimed he wouldn't give someone a pick if he thought the game would be that close. REALLY??? I mean if your that confident so and so wins by much more then the spread why is the half point that necessary?

When you break down the math I just don't know why anyone would use a tout service in today's world with lines that are more sharp then 10, 20, etc. years ago. One thing that is true that they seem to do in this show is bet a lot of small to mid major conferences which their are more spots to make money then with the bigger schools.

Stevens is running a low budget with high reward business. What he does is scummy for sure but if someone is that much of a sucker to pay for these services then it's sort of hard for me to feel bad for them because they would likely throw away money elsewhere on whatever it might be.

You can't hit 65% all the time and having to do that to break even is laughable but when you factor in they are forcing people to bump their bets up it's just a recipe for the client to go broke at which case the tout likely waits for that until they got at least one payday.

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One thing I'd like to know is for regular customers he may have how often are they settling up? Lets say Stevens wins a client $30k over a weekend and the client wants to continue betting. I'd assume he pays Stevens his cut of $12k or whatever then starts the guy off like he's betting new BUT from the way it appears Stevens likely tries to force the client to bet more now so the guy goes on a bad run, loses $60k, and just tells Stevens to fuck off which he does but only after he got $12k from the guy over the first weekend and had the attempt to make much more because of his aggressive pressure that the client got pulled into because Stevens won for him at first.

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Yup, get as much $$$ as fast as possible, before they realize they got got.
Plus it is easy after a few wins, the client is going, "F I should have bet more."

Yeah the buying points, totally contracting himself.

And as for the small schools, that makes my point, when is he supposedly making his picks?????
If you are a small school specialist, you don't watch the games? I just don't see this guy, watching all the games on tape later, or using saber metrics to breakdown the box scores, or anything like
Even when they do say why they made a pick, its like "2 high scoring teams, so I took the over." ...................OK, good insight, I'm sure the guy setting the line didn't know that.

That kid Tyson he was terrible to a point that was so scripted (and by that I mean worse then other stuff) otherwise their is no way that guy has this job even if he's supposedly family.

When your running a freeroll where the backer fronts the money you could be picking 50% winners and still show tons of profit for the times you do get ahead after a few games which gets settled up.

I'm wondering as well how he is making his picks. I could see why anyone in his line of work wouldn't want to share exact specifics they should at least provide a sample of where these picks are coming from even though like I said with his heavy vig all he really needs to do is flip a coin, tell his client to bet on that team, and when he loses he's never out money that he already has.