Who's your favorite US President?

Going by what they accomplished in office and their overall legacy. I'll give you my Top 5 with a quick reason for each:

#1 --Abraham Lincoln: Emancipated the slaves and eventually changed his views on race as a whole
C'mon, you know what he did!
#2 -- Theodore Roosevelt: The quintessential Alpha-Male
Split from the Repubs and formed the Bull-Moose party; fought for the working class
#3 -- Dwight Eisenhower: A steady, moderate leader who focused on getting things accomplished through compromise and working together
Kept the republican party from becoming ultra conservative; created the Interstate Highway system; started implementing civil rights (brown v Board of Education, sent in troops to intergrate school in Arkansas)
#4 -- George Washington: By all accounts he was the one person that the power of the presidency didn't go to his head
Kept the country together during its earliest days
#5 -- Andrew Jackson: Another strong-willed leader
Paid off the entire national debt; Abolished the National bank

"Some of the biggest men in the United States,
in the field of commerce and manufacture, are
afraid of something. They know that there is a
power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so
watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so
pervasive, that they better not speak above
their breath when they speak in condemnation of it."

- Woodrow Wilson, The New Freedom (1913)

And LOL at you listing honest Abe as the best for emancipating the slaves and then still put George Washington on your list. Did George treat the Black people he owned in a fair way or what? That cherry tree story really got to you as a kid didn't it. Jesus how fucking much easier was it to make shit up in those days I wonder.

At least Andrew Jackson had a soft spot for the humans he owned.

"As far as lenity can be extended to these unfortunate creatures I wish you to do so; subordination must be obtained first, and then good treatment."

- Andrew Jackson

Given that our government is corrupt, the best presidents are sadly the ones that were murdered. Assassination probably means they were actually trying to do something right.

in my life, while almost exclusively voting dem, id have to say the best/ my fav president was reagan! he was an absolute beast! he came along at a perfect time for america and basically told russia(and everyone else for that matter)fuck you, we are america we are the best...yep reagan for sure

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And LOL at you listing honest Abe as the best for emancipating the slaves and then still put George Washington on your list. Did George treat the Black people he owned in a fair way or what? That cherry tree story really got to you as a kid didn't it. Jesus how fucking much easier was it to make shit up in those days I wonder.

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Trying to look solely at their accomplishments in their preidency and their legacies, not at the flaws of men who lived in a very different age.

Who cares about a cherry tree? Washington managed to keep the preidency an elected office when he could have become a dictator of sorts; never joined a political party; created the cabinet system that is still in place; normalized relations with Great Britain after the war; and voluntarily left office. Perhaps more importantly is what he DIDN'T do when elected.

Might be interested to know that the man you listed (or quoted anyway) Wilson was very bigoted, and has a terrible track-record on race relations in the nadir period after reconstruction

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And LOL at you listing honest Abe as the best for emancipating the slaves and then still put George Washington on your list. Did George treat the Black people he owned in a fair way or what? That cherry tree story really got to you as a kid didn't it. Jesus how fucking much easier was it to make shit up in those days I wonder.

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Trying to look solely at their accomplishments in their preidency and their legacies, not at the flaws of men who lived in a very different age.

Who cares about a cherry tree? Washington managed to keep the preidency an elected office when he could have become a dictator of sorts; never joined a political party; created the cabinet system that is still in place; normalized relations with Great Britain after the war; and voluntarily left office. Perhaps more importantly is what he DIDN'T do when elected.

Might be interested to know that the man you listed (or quoted anyway) Wilson was very bigoted, and has a terrible track-record on race relations in the nadir period after reconstruction

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That was better said and less hate filled than I was expecting.

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in my life, while almost exclusively voting dem, id have to say the best/ my fav president was reagan! he was an absolute beast! he came along at a perfect time for america and basically told russia(and everyone else for that matter)fuck you, we are america we are the best...yep reagan for sure

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In my opinion it's still too soon to judge Regan, Clinton, W and other recent presidents because some of the policies they enacted are still playing out. Did Clinton preside over a prosperous economy thanks to polocies or did he luckbox into the dotcom boom? Regan has been slipping in recent years because of the pox on supply-side economics and as more classified inofrmation is made available on the reasons for the collapse of the Soviet Union. Personally, I like both men, both were fairly moderate and strong leaders that could work with either side.

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Given that our government is corrupt, the best presidents are sadly the ones that were murdered. Assassination probably means they were actually trying to do something right.

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This is so true.

"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."

-Woodrow Wilson, after signing the Federal Reserve into existence

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Given that our government is corrupt, the best presidents are sadly the ones that were murdered. Assassination probably means they were actually trying to do something right.

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Pretty much every president has had to deal with an assasin's bullet or at least the plotting of one.

I don't know if James Garfield and William McKinley are going to make too many presidential Top Ten lists either ;)

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Trying to look solely at their accomplishments in their preidency and their legacies, not at the flaws of men who lived in a very different age.

Who cares about a cherry tree? Washington managed to keep the preidency an elected office when he could have become a dictator of sorts; never joined a political party; created the cabinet system that is still in place; normalized relations with Great Britain after the war; and voluntarily left office. Perhaps more importantly is what he DIDN'T do when elected.

Might be interested to know that the man you listed (or quoted anyway) Wilson was very bigoted, and has a terrible track-record on race relations in the nadir period after reconstruction

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That was better said and less hate filled than I was expecting.

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I'll try harder next time :D

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Going by what they accomplished in office and their overall legacy. I'll give you my Top 5 with a quick reason for each:

#1 --Abraham Lincoln: Emancipated the slaves and eventually changed his views on race as a whole
C'mon, you know what he did!

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the entire lawn care industry votes for Lincoln

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S8NmHadEko

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in my life, while almost exclusively voting dem, id have to say the best/ my fav president was reagan! he was an absolute beast! he came along at a perfect time for america and basically told russia(and everyone else for that matter)fuck you, we are america we are the best...yep reagan for sure

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In my opinion it's still too soon to judge Regan, Clinton, W and other recent presidents because some of the policies they enacted are still playing out. Did Clinton preside over a prosperous economy thanks to polocies or did he luckbox into the dotcom boom? Regan has been slipping in recent years because of the pox on supply-side economics and as more classified inofrmation is made available on the reasons for the collapse of the Soviet Union. Personally, I like both men, both were fairly moderate and strong leaders that could work with either side.

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first let me say i answered this in the perspective of best pres in my life(im almost43) and as far as prosperity, my best years in terms on earnings was def the clinton years without a doubt

that being said my answer is still reagan....not sure if your old enough to remember but during ford / carter's terms in office ,america was getting beat up! russia was without a doubt the super power of the world in terms of firepower/athletics/ basic world domination(communisim was thriving )

that all changed once ronbo got into power, the economy got better our military became the strongest in the world at that point...he was just an overall badass, his attitude was this is america, if you dont like it, too fukkin bad, ill just nuke your ass...yeah i liked reagan best

like i said in my first post lifelong dem, but reagan =god :)

I wish there was a website where you could make a bracket and vote on WHO IS THE BEST PRESIDENT.

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I wish there was a website where you could make a bracket and vote on WHO IS THE BEST PRESIDENT.

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I was going to do this, but I decided I'm simply too lazy :) I even had the idea of using the best/worst president rankings to seed them. Maybe someone else with more time and motivation can throw it up.

Perhaps I can make it up to you by doing a quick interview and write-up of your site: PM me if you're interested

:)

I have some meetings this morning for some of our other software products, but I could whip up that bracket later tonight for you.

a top 5 list without FDR? really...?

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a top 5 list without FDR? really...?

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If FDR didn't seize all the gold in the country; pay bottom dollar to the owners of said gold; and then set the price at top dollar once he had it all; He MIGHT make my list. FDR has plenty of grand accomplishments, and then some that are simply head-scratchers

I like Nixon (just because) and Reagan without some of his religious garbage.

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a top 5 list without FDR? really...?

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If FDR didn't seize all the gold in the country; pay bottom dollar to the owners of said gold; and then set the price at top dollar once he had it all; He MIGHT make my list. FDR has plenty of grand accomplishments, and then some that are simply head-scratchers

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The example above is just one of many that prevents me from trusting my government. Governments have lied and stolen from their people all through out history and yet most people blindly put their trust and faith in them. WTF is wrong with people!?!? lol

The above is why I lean towards the conservative side even though both parties are hugely flawed and do the bidding of their money masters in the end. There is no denying that the left believes bigger government is the answer to all our problems. Give me a friggin break!

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If FDR didn't seize all the gold in the country; pay bottom dollar to the owners of said gold; and then set the price at top dollar once he had it all; He MIGHT make my list. FDR has plenty of grand accomplishments, and then some that are simply head-scratchers

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The example above is just one of many that prevents me from trusting my government. Governments have lied and stolen from their people all through out history and yet most people blindly put their trust and faith in them. WTF is wrong with people!?!? lol

The above is why I lean towards the conservative side even though both parties are hugely flawed and do the bidding of their money masters in the end. There is no denying that the left believes bigger government is the answer to all our problems. Give me a friggin break!

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My feeling on the two parties can be summed up in the following way: The Right thinks that given their druthers every person will work hard, go to college, and start a family: The Left understands the flaw in this logic and is overprotective of the stupid and lazy in our society.

Just as an example of bad Leftist policy: In Massachusetts a family of four with someone working and making say $300/week can get an additional $600/month in food stamps, $800/housing, free health care and other goodies. Now if the second person in the family goes to work and makes $300/week they lose all the benefits but Health Care. Why on earth is the non-working person ever going to find a job under these conditions????

That said, I'm not sure what is worse, the bad leftist policy described above or going back to the days when seniors were FORCED to go to the "Poorhouse" (yes there really was something called the poorhouse), poor kids could be basically conscripted into work by their parents, and so on.

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The example above is just one of many that prevents me from trusting my government. Governments have lied and stolen from their people all through out history and yet most people blindly put their trust and faith in them. WTF is wrong with people!?!? lol

The above is why I lean towards the conservative side even though both parties are hugely flawed and do the bidding of their money masters in the end. There is no denying that the left believes bigger government is the answer to all our problems. Give me a friggin break!

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My feeling on the two parties can be summed up in the following way: The Right thinks that given their druthers every person will work hard, go to college, and start a family: The Left understands the flaw in this logic and is overprotective of the stupid and lazy in our society.

Just as an example of bad Leftist policy: In Massachusetts a family of four with someone working and making say $300/week can get an additional $600/month in food stamps, $800/housing, free health care and other goodies. Now if the second person in the family goes to work and makes $300/week they lose all the benefits but Health Care. Why on earth is the non-working person ever going to find a job under these conditions????

That said, I'm not sure what is worse, the bad leftist policy described above or going back to the days when seniors were FORCED to go to the "Poorhouse" (yes there really was something called the poorhouse), poor kids could be basically conscripted into work by their parents, and so on.

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James Garfield FTW!

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Given that our government is corrupt, the best presidents are sadly the ones that were murdered. Assassination probably means they were actually trying to do something right.

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This is so true.

"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."

-Woodrow Wilson, after signing the Federal Reserve into existence

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Old news that only one in a hundred know...

Only if a man like Ron Paul could get elected...

The FED and IRS would be gone...

there's no contest

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKjZZjUnB8o

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This is so true.

"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."

-Woodrow Wilson, after signing the Federal Reserve into existence

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Old news that only one in a hundred know...

Only if a man like Ron Paul could get elected...

The FED and IRS would be gone...

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Your posts are like a fart in the wind.

I don't know a lot about every President since they don't teach much in school unless you where a founding father, JFK, or involved in a war but I'm a big fan of Grover Cleveland & Thomas Jefferson. Lincoln would make the list as probably the worst imo.

Is son of lockman cleatus? Fuck you bagadonuts if that is cleatus that was a great post.

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Is son of lockman cleatus? Fuck you bagadonuts if that is cleatus that was a great post.

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close, it's sonny

Holy shit Sonny? Sonnys the fucking man. We had epic pmaments back in the day. I didn't think Cleatus was capable of that but I couldn't think of who else it could be. Holla at cha boy Sonny.

Clinton. That whole cigar in vagina thing was HOF.

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Ronald Reagan.

A lot of people don't realize what a tough situation he inherited when he took office in 1981.

The economy has terrible, inflation had been horrible for the past 5 years, and our standing as world military leader was quickly slipping. We were getting tested from all directions, including the USSR (with their invasion of Afghanistan and defiant massive nuclear buildup) and Iran (with the hostage crisis that lasted for over a year).

By 1984, the economy was great.

The USSR fell in 1991, largely because of their attempts to keep up with the US in the arms race. Today, when you mention threats to our national security, nobody even thinks of Russia anymore.

Some of these fortunate events weren't all Reagan's doing, but his policies and beliefs led the way for a lot of this to happen. The 1980s would have played out a lot differently -- and in my opinion, a lot worse -- with someone different in office.

The deregulation of telephone long distance also took place during Reagan's time in office, which was an early building block in setting the stage for what was to come with the inexpensive and free market communications choices we have today. Prior to 1984, long distance calls were extremely expensive, and much of that was artificial due to regulation. The second half of the deregulation of telecommunications occurred in 1996. While that bill was flawed (because it had provisions which essentially allowed large companies to monopolize radio and television stations), it did bring all telecommunications to the free market, and led to the very accessible model we have today.

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Ronald Reagan.

A lot of people don't realize what a tough situation he inherited when he took office in 1981.

The economy has terrible, inflation had been horrible for the past 5 years, and our standing as world military leader was quickly slipping. We were getting tested from all directions, including the USSR (with their invasion of Afghanistan and defiant massive nuclear buildup) and Iran (with the hostage crisis that lasted for over a year).

By 1984, the economy was great.

The USSR fell in 1991, largely because of their attempts to keep up with the US in the arms race. Today, when you mention threats to our national security, nobody even thinks of Russia anymore.

Some of these fortunate events weren't all Reagan's doing, but his policies and beliefs led the way for a lot of this to happen. The 1980s would have played out a lot differently -- and in my opinion, a lot worse -- with someone different in office.

The deregulation of telephone long distance also took place during Reagan's time in office, which was an early building block in setting the stage for what was to come with the inexpensive and free market communications choices we have today. Prior to 1984, long distance calls were extremely expensive, and much of that was artificial due to regulation. The second half of the deregulation of telecommunications occurred in 1996. While that bill was flawed (because it had provisions which essentially allowed large companies to monopolize radio and television stations), it did bring all telecommunications to the free market, and led to the very accessible model we have today.

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Ronald Reagan.

A lot of people don't realize what a tough situation he inherited when he took office in 1981.

The economy has terrible, inflation had been horrible for the past 5 years, and our standing as world military leader was quickly slipping. We were getting tested from all directions, including the USSR (with their invasion of Afghanistan and defiant massive nuclear buildup) and Iran (with the hostage crisis that lasted for over a year).

By 1984, the economy was great.

The USSR fell in 1991, largely because of their attempts to keep up with the US in the arms race. Today, when you mention threats to our national security, nobody even thinks of Russia anymore.

Some of these fortunate events weren't all Reagan's doing, but his policies and beliefs led the way for a lot of this to happen. The 1980s would have played out a lot differently -- and in my opinion, a lot worse -- with someone different in office.

The deregulation of telephone long distance also took place during Reagan's time in office, which was an early building block in setting the stage for what was to come with the inexpensive and free market communications choices we have today. Prior to 1984, long distance calls were extremely expensive, and much of that was artificial due to regulation. The second half of the deregulation of telecommunications occurred in 1996. While that bill was flawed (because it had provisions which essentially allowed large companies to monopolize radio and television stations), it did bring all telecommunications to the free market, and led to the very accessible model we have today.

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Reagan is a Top 10 president in my opinion, and in 30 years may move way up or down depending on how his policies play out. Like I said to someone else; I think it's hard to judge recent presidents fully because not everything is known about their presidencies impact, so I personally give Reagan an Incomplete at this point until I see how deregulation and supply side economics plays out in the long run.

I don't know how instrumental Reagan was in the arm's race (where as you said we basically forced the USSR to devote money they didn't have to Arms and Space Exploration) but he was the perfect figurehead for that period in our history, a calm, cool, and collected guy, who talked tough.

I would disagree with you on the Hostage Crisis thing, which seems to have een a lot of behind the scenes maneuvering BEFORE the 1980 election, and that the alternative to Reagan would have been markedly different, because it would have been George HW Bush, who I think gets a pretty bad rap --- there is no way the US was going to let Carter run the country for 4 more years, so if there was no Reagan HW would have been the nominee.

got kind of swamped at work and forgot to make a bracket.


anyone want to throw up a good bracket for the presidents on Bracket Geek?

H*ll yeah Reagan was the man...Interest rates were 21% when he took over...Iran was a humiliation...The economy was in the dumps...He turned everything around and told the Russians to behave...Or else we would out build them...And we did to break the back of Communism...

As for President Wilson...The existence of the FED and IRS have held this country hostage and in slavery for the last 99 years...Only when they are gone can we have freedom in this nation...

hey

it dont mater - they done all been owned by them rothschilds since at 1815 congress done made the old man mad - we all been renting from rothschilds since 1815 - everyone in the world - they done been big for 5 centries but now they so big they done had to look like they gone - but they still here - and the whole forbes list aint nothing campared to the kin of nm rothschild - they done made the red shield -

slim t

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Andrew Jackson was the best president. You see, when he made the Five Civilized Tribes, the Cherokee, Seminole, Creek, Choctaw and Chickasaw walk to and relocate to Oklahoma (called the Trail of Tears) in 1830, he allowed those Indian tribes to keep their black slaves. So the slaves also made the walk to Oklahoma, something not to many people know today. It's the reason there is a black population in eastern Oklahoma today.

Now, what president could be more kindhearted than that? He let them their slaves. Just a very kindhearted man.

PS While the Indians of Oklahoma still bitch about having had to walk the Trail of Tears, they never bitch about their black slaves having to walk it too. As a matter of fact they never mention their black slaves at all. I wonder why.