Druff, try to get in touch with Booth and see if he will spill his 'new found' dirt on UB.
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Druff, try to get in touch with Booth and see if he will spill his 'new found' dirt on UB.
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Originally Posted by Deal
call Yukon out on his word "I cant be silenced for $ 5 million 3:20 in
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1FvA...layer_embedded
if Brad did get a recent 6 figure payment, it would most likely come from deep pockets, with a current business that would have a lot to lose, if Booth has the goods, that person just might be............................. Greg Pierson %#^&%&*, this is only an estimation, just guessing, I have no evidence, Phil Hellmuth may have had a hand in it as a go between but he is a piker and wouldn't even part with a wood nickle if he didn't have to
guy is a lunatic
and also, why should he be treated any differently than anyone else who got rolled by a poker site ? I'm a fan, but boo hoo, cry me a fucking river. he is never getting any of his money back, and making that video is just pathetic. time to move on with your life and quit crying ffs
Russ Hamilton put the beatdown so bad on Brad he can't even afford a webcam.
I haven't kept up on the recent Brad Booth situation.
Did he threaten to reveal new info and then go silent?
because he was targeted in what seemed like an exceptionally cruel way.Quote:
Originally Posted by GOD
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Originally Posted by Dan Druff
1) makes video threatening to out PH for some dirt he has on him
2) worms on 2+2 go nuts
3) PH never responds
4) thread dies
bottom line is BB is still broke and now making YouTube videos
nothing was resolved and PH has made no comment
in addition to the horrible way Russ fleeced Brad, Yukon also got the shaft at the big refund meeting in Costa Rica which PH attended but Hellmouth claims he wasn't there "that long", (yea right as usual the Sargent Shultz of poker "knows nothing"), when the UB execs where dividing up the 15 + mill they just got from ESCAPSA/ 90210 (or whatever bullshit name they tried to change it to)Quote:
Originally Posted by Crowe Diddly
At the big meeting they where deciding who UB had to refund at what percentage they stole and who they could screw and get away with it. So besides Yukon the one that got it worse and didn't get a one cent refund was Ben Affleck because they knew he couldn't afford to taint his public image because its worth a hell of a lot more than $2 million or whatever the real # Ben lost, another nut job that took a big hit was Prahlad an y'all know the rest of that story. They must of had some really good dirt on Matusow to keep his mouth relatively shut
You gotta hand it to the UB execs they must have ordered psychological profiles on their big victims because they were pretty much right on their assessments, one guy a 2+2 poster with a big mouth got paid to shut up and we know about the financial threat to Nat Arem & that they got Haley Hinze fired but she was going to go after them no matter what anyways, Tom Scott even had his Attorney send poor MOOKMAN a letter scaring the bejeesus out of Mike,
idk if they tried to mess with Todd or not, maybe Druff will do an all star radio show about UB again instead of a bizzillion word blog, Druff does get huge props for helping bust the scandal starting with AP
Todd's not easy to fuck with, though. You can't get him fired, you can't really blackmail him to shut up, and the harder you push against him, the more entrenched he becomes and the more he fights back. As easy a target as Brad is, Todd seems like the absolute opposite.
Nobody from UB ever contacted or threatened me.
Who would have paid Brad, though? Isn't Cereus broke? And didn't this happen within the past year?
Do you think Hellmuth paid him off?
I may have heard it on DD radio, not sure, but one of the funnier things that Brad said about his whole UB fiasco was that Phil Hellmuth bet him something like 25k that Brad would get a 6 figure refund within 30 days, knowing already that the refund was coming and also knowing brad would look at this like a freeroll because if he wins the bet he gets 25k and even if he loses the bet he will have gotten a 6 figure refund.
Class act that poker brat
this was over in the 2+2 thread that i have say i have second hand knowledge of this to be correct. i have friends who play homegames with brad and they have all said this from time to time, for what its worth.
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I have a hard time being 100% on Booth's side. Its awful what happened and he was a clear victim in that situation. However, most people dont know how shady booth was towards others before/during his awareness of Ub victimization. Booth victimized and conned lots of people in vancouver. took/borrowed lots of money based on lies. So the holier than thou attitude is bs.
He created a reputation and exploited it to younger poker players, borrowed money from them under the guise of paying back right away, then didnt payback. he implied he had money to pay back, thats why loans were given to him.
going golfing, he would make wagers with people and if he lost, he would say he doesnt have the money and not pay. but if he won, he collects, totally free rolling people. he asks people to send him online cash, then doesnt repay. he asks a kid who just binked some money in tourny to borrow money for wsop and will return it, he doesnt. public doesnt know how shady he has acted over the years within the private poker games in vancouver. he convinces the house to stake him, he plays in the games, juices up the pot to create higher rake for the house. he's on heavy credit, gets the house stuck a lot of money. lies to house about potential future revenues from casino deals etc so that they keep staking him.
he was victimized, but he also victimized lots of people on his way down.
sure he's a nice guy but has skeletons as well.
he admits to owing lots of money, but has never detailed how he got into owing so much money to many individuals. most of whom he lied and conned. they wouldnt have lent him the money if they knew he was broke. he freerolled a lot of people. and some of those guys have no recourse but to just wait and hope he pays back.
they dont go on poker forums and make immature empty threats to hellmuth acting holier than thou. poker community in vancouver doesnt trust him anymore and he's not welcomed to play in games unless he brings cash. has zero credit with people.
he created his own mess. hope he makes a comeback so that others can get repaid.
Tweet at him, get the scoop. http://twitter.com/#!/yukonbradQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Interesting stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by yaahello
I have no knowledge if that story is true, but if I had to guess, I'd say it's probably 100% accurate.
Sounds like, while being cheated (and not realizing it), he might have cheated others in order to stay in action.
Reminds me of a conversation I had with my mom as a 5-year-old.
We passed a hitchhiker on the road, and I asked her why the guy had his thumb up.
She explained what a hitchhiker was, and then said it was very dangerous to pick one up, because he could be a bad man with a gun.
She then went on to explain that you also shouldn't BE a hitchhiker, because you might get picked up by a bad man with a gun.
I thought for a second and asked, "So what if a bad hitchhiker is picked up by a bad driver?"
She didn't know how to answer that one.
Bottom line: Scam and cheat victims are sometimes scammers and cheats themselves.
Hellmuth's good buddy Greg Peirson is a possibility, Greg has paid off in the past, like the high school boys his wifie had affairs withQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
A "Yukon Brad" signed onto the site, and PM'd me.
I encouraged him to post here.
The account isn't verified, but I'm guessing it's really him, as a dupe would have already come out and grandstanded publicly.
There is zero chance PH didn't have any information Re: inner workings of UB. He plays the part of the blind monkey well. I'm so hoping Brad has SOMETHING on PH.
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Originally Posted by JoyMillersMeatCurtains
baffling that Danny N went after Annie and everyone else involved at UB, for which he deserves big props but never criticized his buddy Phil for repeating corporate lies
this is the company Greg Peirson launched with stolen UB $ that PH has a big investment in
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apU5vEV948c
Just wow, of all people.
Brad Booth scams WCGRider:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...00-me-1206724/
So you don't have to go to that site.
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Poker Player Brad Booth stole ~$28,000 from Me
I recently had the misfortune of coming across brad booth via one of my friends. He was playing in some of the higher stakes games at the wynn, and Brad told him that he was looking to get back into playing online. At the time he had something like $50,000 on him, as a rough estimate that I was given by my friend. My friend had been hanging out with him a bit outside of poker and they had gotten dinner several times. I was relayed the information that Brad Booth was looking for a transfer for lock poker. I asked him if he thought it was safe to transfer. He told me that he wasnt really sure, but that Brad did have a lot of money on him so it seemed like it would be ok. With this information I sent Brad $13,000 online for what was presumably $13,000 cash. He wanted more, but i declined as i was looking to limit my risk.
Brad then gave my friend an envelope with $13,000 cash, which was given to me. Then Brad asked if he could get a bigger transfer. It seemed to me like it was safer, with the first transfer being successful. At this point he asked for ~$30,000, which I sent him online. Several days later, when we were trying to reach an agreement on when to meet up and transfer, he told me the unfortunate news via text message. The messages are long and rambly, but we eventually agreed to meet up and discuss things. When we met up, he told me the unsettling news of many of his other debts, how little money he has, and the inside scoop on many additional things. I told him if he continues to work with me and stay in contact, and make some small payments at a time, that we can work things out. He agreed, and a week later made me a payment of $2,200. However since then, he has left the country, changed his phone number, and has started completely ignoring me.
Im not really looking for sympathy, its a ****ty situation and I wish things hadnt gone this direction. I am very unfamiliar with the live poker arena, and i have now been informed this is somewhat standard for Brad. I guess i made a mistake in trusting someone because i had seen them play in "high stakes" poker and had heard he had money on him.
I know of many of Brads Debts, and i have some other information about him as well. I also have our complete text message log. Unless Brad finds a way to get into contact with me I will be releasing this information. I feel like this should have happened a long time ago, but many people worried about not seeing payment havent come out and outed him. Im not going to take this approach. Brad is a scammer and a thief, and if this had happened earlier perhaps it would of saved me $27,800, so hopefully if this saves someone else some money, then its worth it.
Brad Booth was seen playing online ~2 weeks later at 10/20 plo on stars. I can only imagine something similar had happened in that scenario. He was also playing with me in some of the las vegas games with money that he had on a stake, while he owed me the money. Any information that can be offered as to the whereabouts or contact information that results in me seeing additional money back will not go unrewarded.
I want my money Brad, and im not going to just stay quiet until i am paid or the world knows what a scumbag you truly are.
looks like I have another entry to add...............
How could somebody not know Brad Booth is busto? Jesus Christ.
Honestly, these guys are marks. Phil Galfond explained it best when he said these degen live players know all the tricks, and con the Internet guys who simply don't know any better and are used to shuffling funds without even meeting the person they are dealing with. How could you even entertain the idea of shipping someone $13K that you don't know, and who you have to at least know is running on fumes if not totally in debt?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheTemplar
It's not like Brad Booth is a prominent player in poker anymore. FFS if you even know who Brad Booth is you should know his history!
Yea, I consider myself an avid reader of most poker forums and I had never heard a bad word about Booth. I knew about his claims of losing his roll in the UB scandal but that was it. I apologize for rehashing old news.
This is totally Rider's fault. I would feel bad for him if say Booth had an excellent track record, but this is ridiculous. This is like inviting Lindgren to your fantasy football league.
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Originally Posted by Hey Lurker!
This story isn't old news! We are just saying that on Rider's part, there is no way he could have not known that Booth was broke, and he owed a ton of $$.
Understood. Thanks for inserting the page Templar, someday I shall learn how to copy/paste lol.
Ha ha no doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hey Lurker!
LOL.
Ugly story.
I think Booth sent me his phone #. Perhaps I will try to get him on radio and ask him about this.
BTW khalwat, I appreciate you posting the update here (actually before Hey Lurker did, I believe), but your post (and one of mine) got deleted in the thread merge. Not a big deal because your post was pretty much posting the same link as Hey Lurker did, but I wanted to give you credit for being the first one to link the story from here.
Anyone know who's WCGRider? Is he a well known pro?
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Originally Posted by Steve-OHonestly, these guys are marks. Phil Galfond explained it best when he said these degen live players know all the tricks, and con the Internet guys who simply don't know any better and are used to shuffling funds without even meeting the person they are dealing with. How could you even entertain the idea of shipping someone $13K that you don't know, and who you have to at least know is running on fumes if not totally in debt?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheTemplar
It's not like Brad Booth is a prominent player in poker anymore. FFS if you even know who Brad Booth is you should know his history!
sorry couldnt refrain
doug polk he well know in 2+2 communityQuote:
Originally Posted by FPS_Russia
and fuck u brad.
Was Justin Smith ever locked up>?Quote:
Originally Posted by cmoneyQuote:
Originally Posted by Steve-O
sorry couldnt refrain
I hope we dont get too many posts like this as we follow the story here, these kind of posts make the NVG thread totally unreadable. Obviously WCG fucked up but his friend made him feel comfortable with the transfer, he had one successful transfer and thought he could get money quickly off line without paying 10% and went for it. The real story is that Booth is a fucking scum bag, the obvious story that doesnt even really need mention is that WCG fucked up.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheTemplar
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Originally Posted by peter mcneilI hope we dont get too many posts like this as we follow the story here, these kind of posts make the NVG thread totally unreadable. Obviously WCG fucked up but his friend made him feel comfortable with the transfer, he had one successful transfer and thought he could get money quickly off line without paying 10% and went for it. The real story is that Booth is a fucking scum bag, the obvious story that doesnt even really need mention is that WCG fucked up.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheTemplar
The reason I said this, and I don't know if it was harsh or not, but to anyone that has been in the poker world for any amount of time, I thought it was known that Brad Booth is absolutely broke. Numerous threads have been made about it, numerous people have spoke about it, and he has said it numerous times. Your right it is obvious that the real story is Booth is a fucking scumbag. Yet Rider really took a gamble here. This is why I said it was totally Rider's fault.
Do I feel bad for Rider? Yea absolutely, I don't want anyone to get scammed. I have been scammed myself and it fucking sucks.
I followed this whole thread, here and on 4. I generally follow these things. My perspective on this is different than I think many others on this.
The general theme seems to be WCG lent money to BB and BB didn't pay back and has now disappeared and WCG made a mistake and has learned an expensive lesson.
Here is how I see it. WCG was trying to get money off merge, from a balance of a couple hundred K according to WCG, and saw a way to speed things up by doing a transfer with BB. BB agreed. WCG understood BB had cash and BB was willing to take Merge at par. WCG saw this as a very good deal. The first transfer went fine and the second transfer went not so fine. I imagine there is more to the story, but it seems in the second transfer BB made a choice not to complete the transfer for some reason or maybe he couldn't pay because he didn't have liquid cash any more. Based on the one side of the story we are hearing, it appears that BB is in the wrong, but we are only hearing one side of the story. Who knows? Don't forget, they both have accounts on Merge, and there may be other information that we don't have, perhaps there is some action on the tables that factor into this situation. I'm in no rush to jump to conclusions or judge based on one side of the story and partial information.
But I do think I have seen enough, both now and in general, to understand the real culprit. For me, I see the villain in this piece to be on-line poker sites. These sites take money knowing full well they have no way to ship it back reasonably, if at all (FTP). They spread what they represent to be a fair game, and that is not always the case (UB/AP). We know (or should know and be reminded) that multi-accounting, team play and all kinds of shady stuff happens on-line. The regulation of these sites is pitiful and almost non-existent from such bodies as the AGCC and KGC. So I see this situation all stemming from the difficulties and risks in dealing with on-line sites. If it was easy to move funds in and out, with a real cashier and instant access to funds at all times, like it is with B&M, this situation would never have arisen.
The lesson here is not that lending money to BB or anyone else is dumb and should be avoided becuase people are not trust-worthy. The lesson here is that lending money to online poker sites is dumb and should be avoided because on-line sites are not trust-worthy. Only keep as much money on these sites as you need to be able to play in the game you play. Do not use these sites as a bank account.
Great post Mad. The really intangible element in all of these scams and scandals is that we really don't know how much has actually been uncovered. The poker community as a whole may only know 10% of the actual crimes (for lack of a better word) that have been committed. Time and time again we still see players that we thought were beyond reproach getting caught. I threw the 10% out there on my own but I would be willing to wager that if all the mid-stakes and high-stakes players were to 'spill the beans', then we would probably realize we have only begun to scrape the tip of the iceberg. Money will always be the motive in poker but I would imagine there are many friends of friends of friends that can still keep their mouths shut and continue to fleece the rest of the poker community.
WCG had a friend who had been playing with Brad and said he had a good amount of cash on him, Im sure he knew Booth was broke but still felt comfortable making the transaction. He fucked up, obviously. More people are popping up in that thread stating Booth pulled the same shit on them and it's likely more are going to come out, seems like Booth has turned into another Chino. He is aware of the thread as people have posted in on his facebook but he snap removes the links and comments about the subject.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheTemplarQuote:
Originally Posted by peter mcneil
The reason I said this, and I don't know if it was harsh or not, but to anyone that has been in the poker world for any amount of time, I thought it was known that Brad Booth is absolutely broke. Numerous threads have been made about it, numerous people have spoke about it, and he has said it numerous times. Your right it is obvious that the real story is Booth is a fucking scumbag. Yet Rider really took a gamble here. This is why I said it was totally Rider's fault.
Do I feel bad for Rider? Yea absolutely, I don't want anyone to get scammed. I have been scammed myself and it fucking sucks.