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Sorry man, couldn’t even listen. I was hoping this would be you talking about why you are questioning Republicans now but it was just you complaining about things you attribute (but aren’t necessarily true, like the ridiculous concept that Democrats are pro crime) to the left.
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Originally Posted by CryptoNinja
this is very literally his brand.
also desertrunner would probably shoot him in the neck if he changed his tune
At the end of the show (the last timestamp), you can hear me criticizing Trump and the right regarding 10 different things (and not from a further-right position).Quote:
Originally Posted by CryptoNinja
But the show's title says it all. I explain why I'm a Republican, and why the modern left/Democrats is not even an option for me to consider.
The basic thesis of the show is, "You might say Trump is a dishonest authoritarian who is pushing the country toward fascism, but the left/Democrats are also dishonest and seem to like authoritarianism, so why would I ever consider voting against my own political beliefs?"
If you'd like to challenge anything I specifically said on the show, I'll be glad to address it.
I’ve largely given up in trying to talk sense into anybody on the right. You need to do it yourself. What I will say is that you believe a lot of things that are untrue. You have consumed decades of propaganda. For instance, I personally agree with you that trans women should not compete against biological women in sports. I’m pretty far left but more than that being my position, I think this is a very minor thing that deserves very little attention and there are much more important and pressing issues for us to be spending our time on. There are lots of center left and left people that agree with me, maybe more on the 2nd part of that statement than the first, but this concept of you have to fully be indoctrinated into all the left woke stuff to be a part of the left is simply untrue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffAt the end of the show (the last timestamp), you can hear me criticizing Trump and the right regarding 10 different things (and not from a further-right position).Quote:
Originally Posted by CryptoNinja
But the show's title says it all. I explain why I'm a Republican, and why the modern left/Democrats is not even an option for me to consider.
The basic thesis of the show is, "You might say Trump is a dishonest authoritarian who is pushing the country toward fascism, but the left/Democrats are also dishonest and seem to like authoritarianism, so why would I ever consider voting against my own political beliefs?"
If you'd like to challenge anything I specifically said on the show, I'll be glad to address it.
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Originally Posted by Dan DruffAt the end of the show (the last timestamp), you can hear me criticizing Trump and the right regarding 10 different things (and not from a further-right position).Quote:
Originally Posted by CryptoNinja
But the show's title says it all. I explain why I'm a Republican, and why the modern left/Democrats is not even an option for me to consider.
The basic thesis of the show is, "You might say Trump is a dishonest authoritarian who is pushing the country toward fascism, but the left/Democrats are also dishonest and seem to like authoritarianism, so why would I ever consider voting against my own political beliefs?"
If you'd like to challenge anything I specifically said on the show, I'll be glad to address it.
"Democrats are also dishonest and seem to like authoritarianism"
I can't imagine how much sugar you consume each day
You have a college degree?
Whatever your political beliefs entail they should never supersede criminal activity
"Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me"
You are fully enrolled on the wrong side of history
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=...AAAAAdAAAAABAE
The believing that the Covid stuff was authoritarian by Democrats when it was Trump that locked us down and even wouldn’t let states open back up without his say so is particularly detached from reality. It was a novel virus. We didn’t have a lot of information. Meanwhile, people without any medical knowledge at all were out there claiming they knew stuff that was impossible to know (like the origins of the virus) and it makes sense that government would want to curb that. Did you know they estimate around 300k Americans died because of disinformation, mostly about the vaccines? And now we know Trump knew how deadly it was (see Woodward tapes) and he lied to us and told us it was going to “disappear” and that it was a “Democrat hoax”. This is why I’m like if they still can’t figure this out after that, I can’t help them. You can lead a horse to water …Quote:
Originally Posted by limitlesQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
"Democrats are also dishonest and seem to like authoritarianism"
I can't imagine how much sugar you consume each day
You have a college degree?
Whatever your political beliefs entail they should never supersede criminal activity
ETA: Note that this is just weeks after the rollout. People claim posts like this were censored. This post was never censored and I didn’t get suspended for saying it:
https://x.com/CryptoNinjaco/status/1393061928998559749
Come on everyone, this is just the equivalent of a Penthouse Letter to desertrunner.
Do you reflect on why our current democratic (duopoly) process is verklempt? You were teetering on the brink of Druff whataboutism. Maybe you took a more thoughtful approach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Of course you would have started with Citizens United and campaign spending. Maybe you talk about Thiel and Trump bringing a case spearheaded by JD Vance to the Supreme Court that could eliminate the last restrictions on campaign donations, and could obstruct law enforcement's efforts to halt outright bribery. If successful, Trump wouldn’t necessarily be forced to run for a 3rd term out of sheer legal survival. Is that something you’d be interested in?
Both sides suck. There is still room left under the EoT™ tent for the thoughtful.
Trump pretty much stood back and let Fauci and the CDC guide everyone. This was a mistake. He should have taken the approach DeSantis did.Quote:
Originally Posted by CryptoNinjaThe believing that the Covid stuff was authoritarian by Democrats when it was Trump that locked us down and even wouldn’t let states open back up without his say so is particularly detached from reality. It was a novel virus. We didn’t have a lot of information. Meanwhile, people without any medical knowledge at all were out there claiming they knew stuff that was impossible to know (like the origins of the virus) and it makes sense that government would want to curb that. Did you know they estimate around 300k Americans died because of disinformation, mostly about the vaccines? And now we know Trump knew how deadly it was (see Woodward tapes) and he lied to us and told us it was going to “disappear” and that it was a “Democrat hoax”. This is why I’m like if they still can’t figure this out after that, I can’t help them. You can lead a horse to water …Quote:
Originally Posted by limitles
However, Trump did not lock anyone down. The lockdowns were all state/local decisions.
At first, we didn't have any information about the novel virus. However, as months passed, it was clear that it was barely killing anyone under 35 (and virtually zero kids), and being outside was safe. The right was urging ending or relaxing these lockdowns, and the left was refusing, insisting it would kill grandma.
Did you hear the part where I talked about the 1200 CDC employees (all of whom were left wing) circulating a petition to declare racism a "public health issue", thus justifying the mass BLM protests and riots, while at the same time explaining why the beaches and parks were still closed? Like, what kind of anti-scientific bullshit was that? 1200 fucking CDC employees signed such a petition.
I was personally censored from writing on Twitter that COVID came from a Wuhan lab. "Preventing racism" was the excuse. It turned out that the government was advising Twitter to do this. You can't even claim that this censorship was going to save lives, because this was just discussion of the CAUSE of the virus starting, not the treatment.
The COVID thing was a perfect example of left wing authoritarian bullshit. And there was tons of left wing misinformation meant to scare people into compliance. Do you remember the NY Times poll where almost half of Democrats thought that anyone with COVID had a 50% or more chance to be hospitalized? (The actual answer was 1%.) This was taken in late 2020 -- when it was very well known what the true danger was. Democrat voters were confused because they read a different article each day on CNN about completely healthy 23-year-olds suddenly being in a coma from COVID.
I have long criticized a lot of the right's activities during COVID, such as the denial of the seriousness of the virus (at least in 2020-2021 before it mutated to be much milder), and the scaremongering regarding the (mostly useful) vaccine.
But the authoritarians in that situation were definitely on the left. I experienced it personally.
Again Druff, the problem is that you believe things that aren’t true. Here’s Trump claiming he has “total authority” on the lockdowns:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNbjxTMbOm8
There has been talk for decades about toppling the two-party system, but it never works out. Even seemingly strong efforts (1992 Perot, for example) end up dying on the vine, and only end up acting as spoilers.Quote:
Originally Posted by SanlmarDo you reflect on why our current democratic (duopoly) process is verklempt? You were teetering on the brink of Druff whataboutism. Maybe you took a more thoughtful approach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Of course you would have started with Citizens United and campaign spending. Maybe you talk about Thiel and Trump bringing a case spearheaded by JD Vance to the Supreme Court that could eliminate the last restrictions on campaign donations, and could obstruct law enforcement's efforts to halt outright bribery. If successful, Trump wouldn’t necessarily be forced to run for a 3rd term out of sheer legal survival. Is that something you’d be interested in?
Both sides suck. There is still room left under the EoT™ tent for the thoughtful.
Campaign spending is a big problem, and the PAC loophole basically lets anyone donate whatever they want. It would be nice to bring this under control. I don't expect that to happen anytime soon, on either side. Recall Kamala was only the 2024 candidate because they had $1 billion raised which only she could access, due to lol campaign finance law.
When there is an actual viable alternative to the 2-party system, I'm willing to consider it. In the meantime I have the choice to vote for the shifty liars whose policies I usually agree with, or the shifty liars with whom I rarely agree. So you know which side I choose.
No, that would mean everyone sucks.Quote:
Originally Posted by SanlmarDo you reflect on why our current democratic (duopoly) process is verklempt? You were teetering on the brink of Druff whataboutism. Maybe you took a more thoughtful approach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Of course you would have started with Citizens United and campaign spending. Maybe you talk about Thiel and Trump bringing a case spearheaded by JD Vance to the Supreme Court that could eliminate the last restrictions on campaign donations, and could obstruct law enforcement's efforts to halt outright bribery. If successful, Trump wouldn’t necessarily be forced to run for a 3rd term out of sheer legal survival. Is that something you’d be interested in?
Both sides suck. There is still room left under the EoT™ tent for the thoughtful.
Greed sucks, fraudulent business practises suck, sexual assault sucks etc., etc.
This video was from April 2020 -- just a month after the COVID shutdowns began. As you said, everyone was in a panic because it was a novel virus and they didn't know what to expect.Quote:
Originally Posted by CryptoNinja
Within a short time, each state took its own approach. Remember all the controversies about how "free" and "open" Florida was?
By June, it was very clear that being outside wasn't dangerous regarding COVID. Then the BLM riots broke out, and the pro-lockdown left found themselves in a pickle, because they couldn't cheer this on (or even justify allowing it to continue) if it was supposedly so dangerous to gather outdoors. Up until this point, the CDC and the left had been telling everyone that it was super duper dangerous to take your family to the neighborhood park. So how could it be justified to allow hundreds of thousands of people in the streets?
That's where the "racism is a public health issue" rhetoric came in. Do you not remember this?
Now that we're over 5 years past it, what is your opinion of all the above?
This is patently untrueQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Trump with his UBI payments, CARES Act and PPP facilitated everyone staying home and nestling in front of the tube in their jammie’s to witness Trumps inane daily COVID fireside chats.
Trump threw another $5-6 trillion on the national debt bonfire. That prolly was the fatal blow. We shall see.
Sounds like you favour a one party system. No opposition including the press.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffThere has been talk for decades about toppling the two-party system, but it never works out. Even seemingly strong efforts (1992 Perot, for example) end up dying on the vine, and only end up acting as spoilers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
Campaign spending is a big problem, and the PAC loophole basically lets anyone donate whatever they want. It would be nice to bring this under control. I don't expect that to happen anytime soon, on either side. Recall Kamala was only the 2024 candidate because they had $1 billion raised which only she could access, due to lol campaign finance law.
When there is an actual viable alternative to the 2-party system, I'm willing to consider it. In the meantime I have the choice to vote for the shifty liars whose policies I usually agree with, or the shifty liars with whom I rarely agree. So you know which side I choose.
A three party system at a minimum keeps everyone inline to a degree. Democracies are multi represented with one exception, the land of the free.
What's to be afraid of?
Guess who loves the one party system? Your mortal enemies.
Two World Wars have been fought for this very reason
Re:racism is a public health crisis
I don’t remember this and I did a quick Google search and I couldn’t find anything about it. Not saying there isn’t some shred of truth there but there’s like 1000 different things I disagree with you about just in regards to Covid and what reality is there and I simply don’t care enough about what you believe to put very much time into debating you. And not just you, all of MAGA. I’m quite tired of debating with all of you/them about what facts are.
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Originally Posted by CryptoNinja
Free speech bitches complain about rules of law decided by democratically elected governments worldwide and you get to choose from either A or B who are bought and sold
Two parties bought and paid for is a revolving door.
One or the other is always right?
They might think so but a democracy aims to include all.
No gerrymandering etc. So fuck off with that to begin with
Do you believe the paid protesters narrative, Druff? The incredibly easy to prove thing that has never been proven? Like, it’s crazy that you have elected people like Tim Burchett just straight up lying to the whole country about this because they don’t want the fact that a huge portion of America really dislike what’s going on right now to become apparent to the cult members. Like they are just straight up lying to you and I know you are smart enough to see that and it’s frustrating that it still won’t change your mind.
Why not just listen to the show clip? (vampire radio)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyghYJKXagU
You are afforded the choice between the shifty liars that the billionaires and the donor class present to you…. until campaign finance is rewritten. This likely will not happen … at least not in your lifetime. The trend is otherwise at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Tweet Elon or Thiel and plead your case for someone else perhaps. Lotsa luck
I sometimes try to imagine what that alternative to the 2-party system could be. I know the Trump architects have some very concrete ideas. Those nut jobs are proving quite effective in implementing their vision. Who woulda thought even a year ago?
It's true as far as the shutdowns, which was what I was talking about. I didn't get into the economics of the whole thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by SanlmarThis is patently untrueQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Trump with his UBI payments, CARES Act and PPP facilitated everyone staying home and nestling in front of the tube in their jammie’s to witness Trumps inane daily COVID fireside chats.
Trump threw another $5-6 trillion on the national debt bonfire. That prolly was the fatal blow. We shall see.
Dems are pro no consequences for crime, pro fag and tranny, pro grooming children, pro freebies, aka societal decay.
Fuck you.
I'm not talking about any paid protesters allegations.Quote:
Originally Posted by CryptoNinja
I was pretty clear and straightforward about what I had to say on the show.
I know what I've seen with my own eyes, and what I've experienced. I am not repeating nonsense from social media or Fox News.
And to be clear, this isn't a "whatabout the Dems" excuse. This is an explanation why conservatives such as myself will not even consider the alternative to the GOP, because we have seen so much dishonest shit and so much gaslighting. If I'm going to be repeatedly lied to by elected officials, at least it can be ones who will mostly pass legislation I support.
I am for whomever will lower my taxes….between income tax, sales tax, real estate tax, tariffs….I pay at least 50% of my income to one form of government, which is more than enough.
I forgot who I was conversing with.Quote:
Originally Posted by SanlmarYou are afforded the choice between the shifty liars that the billionaires and the donor class present to you…. until campaign finance is rewritten. This likely will not happen … at least not in your lifetime. The trend is otherwise at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Tweet Elon or Thiel and plead your case for someone else perhaps. Lotsa luck
Gavin Newsom is the very best example of a fund raising, donor class success story. Acceptance follows denial
Whataboutism? Hey, whatabout it?
Two party system:
1. Demopublican Party
2. Trump Party
Trump left it up to the states. South Dakota had no shutdown or mask mandate. Their covid stats are no worse than anywhere else.
A year after we were no longer wearing masks in Montana and Idaho I drove into Ontario, Oregon from the east. Those poor fuckers on the rural eastetn edge of Oregon were still wearing masks because of the dictates of Portland DEMOCRATS. No wonder eastern Oregonians want to break off and join Idaho. Blue states had mask mandates far longer than red states.
My choice was to put a mask on or go back the other way. I turned around and drove out of the state. Fuck Dictators.